Soarin' 3d

[KellyNY]

It would be cool but it would cause problems like being too real. I mean people can get disoriented and they are kind of high. Even so they technically cannot fall, it would be uncomfortable for some.

 

[AndyFL]

For all the wisdom and creativity that Disney employees, I am forever dumbfounded that they don't digitally enhance the Soarin video. Many old movies have been enhanced to near HD quality....HD Net Movies has done this to many classics, even some old B&W movies. Why Disney fails to do this will leave me scratching my head.

 

[kevdaman]

For all the wisdom and creativity that Disney employees, I am forever dumbfounded that they don't digitally enhance the Soarin video. Many old movies have been enhanced to near HD quality....HD Net Movies has done this to many classics, even some old B&W movies. Why Disney fails to do this will leave me scratching my head.

Agreed. Especially how good their actual 3D is too. I mean, the 3D at the movie theatre vs. the 3D in the movies and rides in Disney World you would think that they could keep up with the little stuff.

 

[chartle]

For all the wisdom and creativity that Disney employees, I am forever dumbfounded that they don't digitally enhance the Soarin video. Many old movies have been enhanced to near HD quality....HD Net Movies has done this to many classics, even some old B&W movies. Why Disney fails to do this will leave me scratching my head.

Its not that simple, omnimax is already much higher resolution than digital. The issue is the condition of the film, the projector and the screen.

HD quality would lower the quality.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

~No. Soarin' has a classic feel & it seems more real with the film. I think 3D would take away from the beauty. I know there are different types of 3D, and I don't like the flimsy yellow 3D glasses, but I am okay with the higher quality RealD 3D glasses.

 

[DOOM1001]

Here's the Soarin over Florida video.Amazingly it ends with Universal Studios instead of Disney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYaotKPxknM

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Here's the Soarin over Florida video.Amazingly it ends with Universal Studios instead of Disney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYaotKPxknM

~That's a super cool video! I would love to see Soarin' over Florida. I would also like them to add South Beach with all of the Art Deco hotels. I love all of the pink, yellow, green & turquoise homes, too.

~Plus, Disney can feature Port Canaveral with all of the cruise ships and maybe Kennedy Space Center, and there is plenty of content from all four parks and the WDW resort to use. That's a great idea & thanks for sharing!

 

[AndyFL]

Its not that simple, omnimax is already much higher resolution than digital. The issue is the condition of the film, the projector and the screen.

HD quality would lower the quality.

I disagree. As I stated, HD NET Movies has already enhanced many older movies and the condition of that film was much worse than Disney has with the Soarin video. It has nothing to do with whether the video was older reel film or digital. Computers can easily, easily, fill in the missing pixels and take out digital artifacts that distract from the quality. If the video quality is there then the screen is no issue...a screen is a screen. I do this for a living....I know.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

It's funny how this conversation tends to go on assuming that the two copies of Soarin' that are running in FL are the only two copies in existance.

I'll bet there are at least 10 perfect copies safely stashed away somewhere plus the original master.

 

[Robo]

I disagree. As I stated, HD NET Movies has already enhanced many older movies and the condition of that film was much worse than Disney has with the Soarin video. It has nothing to do with whether the video was older reel film or digital. Computers can easily, easily, fill in the missing pixels and take out digital artifacts that distract from the quality. If the video quality is there then the screen is no issue...a screen is a screen. I do this for a living....I know.

Based on what you've posted and how you've stated it,
I don't quite see that you understand the projection system used in Soarin'.

There is no "video" used in the attraction (except for the pre-show in the waiting area.)

And, there is not anything "missing" that needs to be filled-in.
"Pixels" would not be a factor until the film is digitized.
There are no current digital artifacts to be removed, as the image is not digital to begin-with.

And, yes, there are additional pristine prints available to thread-up, or at least that could be made from the negative, when needed.

 

[AndyFL]

It doesn't matter what method the image in projected, though I'm pretty shocked if they are still using reel film. Whatever method is used it can be captured digitally, cleaned up, enhance and then be put back on whatever media type they are using unless that media type is no longer available.

You are right however, I have no idea what they use to project the image. I just took it for granted that it was a digital projector.

 

[Robo]

It doesn't matter what method the image in projected, though

1- I'm pretty shocked if they are still using reel film.

2- Whatever method is used it can be captured digitally, cleaned up, enhance and then be put back on whatever media type they are using unless that media type is no longer available.

You are right however, I have no idea what they use to project the image.

3- I just took it for granted that it was a digital projector.

1- IMAX/OMNIMAX/OMNIMAX HD are all film (strips of photographic film, projected with light and lens) systems with greater resolution density than current digital video formats.

2- There is nothing in the Soarin' edit that needs additional "enhancement" or "restoration."
If the film is dirty, it can be cleaned.
If it is scratched or faded, a new print can be struck from the edited negative (if none are already available) and threaded into the projection system.

3- Digital is fine for some systems, but OMNIMAX and OMNIMAX HD are cleaner at the size of image needed than current projected digital formats.

 

[cmwade77]

1- IMAX/OMNIMAX/OMNIMAX HD are all film (strips of photographic film, projected with light and lens) systems with greater resolution density than current digital video formats.

2- There is nothing in the Soarin' edit that needs additional "enhancement" or "restoration."
If the film is dirty, it can be cleaned.
If it is scratched or faded, a new print can be struck from the edited negative (if none are already available) and threaded into the projection system.

3- Digital is fine for some systems, but OMNIMAX and OMNIMAX HD are cleaner at the size of image needed than current projected digital formats.

Actually, there is digital IMAX (we have a few loacations near us that use it), which has an incredible resolution and looks absolutely amazing. Far better than what Soarin' currently has. Yes, the film can be cleaned but Disney doesn't do so as often as they should and eventually it will wear out. Digital IMAX avoids these issues and yes, the film can be captured digitally and have the proper resolution.

 

[staceyatdisney]

HD as in 1080p. Where are you getting 5x?

I'm sure someone will be by explaining better then me on why that is way way less resolution than Imax film.

Also making it 3d means half as many frames.

1080p is not the ceiling on HD and the latest IMAX 3d is capable of 48fps. 60fps technology is also out there. Disney will have many different hardware/software options when they refurb Soarin'. One thing that I hadn't considered is the "too real" factor.

 

[staceyatdisney]

Yes, the film can be cleaned but Disney doesn't do so as often as they should and eventually it will wear out. Digital IMAX avoids these issues and yes, the film can be captured digitally and have the proper resolution.

Cleaning is definitely an issue. The film/projector was loaded with dust & dirt during the session I was in two weeks ago. When projected these particles are very large and quite a distraction.

 

[chartle]

1080p is not the ceiling on HD and the latest IMAX 3d is capable of 48fps. 60fps technology is also out there. Disney will have many different hardware/software options when they refurb Soarin'. One thing that I hadn't considered is the "too real" factor.

My theory is that Disney is waiting for the tech to get to a certain point and then either digitize the current print or shoot a new video/film.

 

[Robo]

Actually, there is digital IMAX (we have a few loacations near us that use it), which has an incredible resolution and looks absolutely amazing. Far better than what Soarin' currently has. Yes, the film can be cleaned but Disney doesn't do so as often as they should and eventually it will wear out. Digital IMAX avoids these issues and yes, the film can be captured digitally and have the proper resolution.

The so-called "IMAX" that is shown in theaters is a different kind of projection system.

It is not the same kind of image technology that is used in the (modified) "OMNIMAX HD" film used in Soarin'.

 

[hakepb]

Digital is not better than film quality.
But digital is more consistent.

Saying digital is better than film is like sayings Camry is faster than your Ferarri (because your Ferarri broke down again, for the 3rd time in the last 2000 miles)

I think it was George Lucas that realized that the average movie goer was watching a copy of a copy of a copy of a...print shown on poorly maintained projectors operated by minimum wage hacks that don't know focus.

I'm sure the first generation films watched at Hollywood premiers or in the Skywalker Ranch screening room are far superior to and digital we have seen.

But Digital is more controlled. All copies are identical, the projectors are sealed ( no film / foreign objects in the projection path, each future showing is the same.... (I think there is better or autofocus)...). 4k will just get us closer to what film has already done.

 

[P00H1010]

Do you think Soarin would be better if it was in 3D?

I think it would take more away from the attraction than it would add. One of the points of 3D is to make you feel like you are there...The effects of Soarin' already make you already feel like you are right there, especially with the sensory effects of wind and smell. I think changing it over to 3D would ruin what it already and amazing attraction.

 

[eeyoresnr]

No, the screen is big enough to be impressive as it is. But a new film would definitely be welcome.

I hope they never change it other than maybe add some more California spots to it.... it takes me back.... I lived most of my life in California (now I'm in Florida) and from the very first time I rode it (at DCA) it became one of my favorite rides....and to this day I have never ridden it where at the end most of the riders didn't clap.... an update with new technology is all it needs