So much for Homeland Security

[Van Helsing]

What would you expect to happen in 2 minutes?

Hello wrong airport (how long is that - about 2 seconds )

 

[Jeanny]

Originally posted by Sandy V.
He doesn't know he's right, EsmerldaX. Apparently, by virtue of him saying that I'm wrong, it must be true. I refuse to get into a tit-for-tat with him over it - not worth my time.

Van Helsing's record of bashing nearly everything that the Bush Administration does/doesn't do stands as it is. Nothing more need be said.

Sounds like he just likes to argue about everything!

 

[GaryAdams]

My aim is to vanquish the evil...

dont alot of terrorists claim that America is the great evil?

maybe homeland security needs to be looking into some things here?







and the plot thickens......

 

[jrydberg]

Hello wrong airport (how long is that - about 2 seconds )

Do you honestly think no one contacted the plane and indicated that they were not supposed to land there? You have no information whatsoever about this incident other than the plane landed at the wrong airport. I'm not sure how you feel qualified to make a judgement based solely on that information. As for me, I'll wait to see the facts before making a judgement.

 

[majestique]

JJ, er VH.............. What exactly is your point? A commercial airliner landed at an air force base. The air trafic controlers for the base control all the traffic in the area. People were told not to look outside. How do you, a non US citizen, decide this is a Homeland Security issue? You must have an inside mole tell you all.

When the investigation is completed, what ever relavent details that can be given may reach the public. Or maybe they won't. And if you had been on that plane, again, so what?

And just for fun JJ, why not fly into Fort Walton Beach Airport, and tell us what you see.

 

[Van Helsing]

Gary - Dan was right the Ignore List is great

Do you honestly think no one contacted the plane and indicated that they were not supposed to land there?

Well if they contacted the plane why did it not go to the right airport. All you can take from it, is no-one contacted the plane.

Fort Walton Beach Airport - what would i see hmmm Elgin AFR Base

 

[jrydberg]

No, you certainly can't assume that no one contacted the plane. That's a huge assumption. Feel free to speculate, but I'll wait for more facts.

 

[Van Helsing]

Feel free to speculate, but I'll wait for more facts.

Thanks jrydberg

 

[GaryAdams]

i'd think i've got a stalker

not sure who VH is talking about, but this sure does seem like he has resorted to name calling.

didnt you get in trouble for this before VH?

just trying to help you out my friend.

 

[sgtdisney]

The 2 airports are pretty close together and what is even more intersting is that both airports have one main runway and both runways run in almost the same direction from NW to SE. I really think that what we will find out here is that the pilots broke out of the clouds and saw what they thought was the airport and just took the plane down and landed on it. However, as many have said, I will reserve judgement until the facts do come out.

I personally don't see what this had to do with Homeland security? If the plane was coming in on an approach in at a heading that would be pretty much common for both airports and was in contact with the tower, the base acted as it should. From what I read the pilots announced at almost the last minute to the tower that they were landing. This is what leads me to believe that it was a mistake. If this the case, then the airforce base had about 5 seconds to realize what happened and scramble fighters, not going to happen. I am 100% sure that they were right there 'waiting' for the plane which is why people were probably told not to look out or they would be staring down the barrels of some pretty heavy weapons.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

The 2 airports are pretty close together and what is even more intersting is that both airports have one main runway and both runways run in almost the same direction from NW to SE.

Thanks Sgt. I was wondering if that was the case. A lot of the airports in Florida (I only mention that because that is what I am familiar with) have their main runways going in the same direction, and thought maybe that added to the situation here.

 

[izzy]

OK folks, repeat after me:

"The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls."

 

[we3luvdisney]

There are so many factors, when one considers what may have happened. The story posted is somewhat similiar to this story ......


Iran Confiscates U.K. Military Vessels

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran said Monday it had confiscated three British naval vessels and arrested eight armed crew members. The Royal Navy acknowledged it had lost contact with three small patrol boats on a routine mission in the waterway between Iraq and Iran.

British officials did not confirm the boats were captured or the crewmembers detained.

"I can confirm that three small Royal Navy patrol boats and eight crew have been out of communication since the early hours of this morning," said a British military spokesman in the southern Iraqi city of Basra on condition of anonymity. "It is not unusual for the Royal Navy to be patrolling the Shatt-al-Arab" waterway.

Iranian-British relations have been strained in recent days, since London helped draft a resolution at the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors meeting last week in Vienna that rebuked Iran for past cover-ups involving its development of nuclear technology.

Iran says its program is aimed only at producing energy, while the United States accuses Tehran of trying to develop nuclear weapons. Iran accused Britain of caving in to U.S. pressure on the resolution.

The three British ships entered Iranian territorial waters not far from the Iran-Iraq border, the Arabic language Al-Alam television reported.

"Iranian forces confiscated the ships and eight military personnel on board," the report said.

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi confirmed the report, according to Iran's main Persian language TV channel.

"Interrogation of those detained will continue until the matter is clarified," Asefi was quoted as saying.

The Royal Navy said it had lost contact with three small patrol boats early Monday.

"I can confirm that three small Royal Navy patrol boats and eight crew have been out of communication since the early hours of this morning," said a British military spokesman in Basra, Iraq, said on condition of anonymity. "It is not unusual for the Royal Navy to be patrolling the Shatt-al-Arab."

The Iranian TV report said crew members were carrying maps and weapons. It also said the ships were confiscated about 11 a.m. between the Bahmanshir and Arvand rivers, which would put them in the Shatt-al-Arab waterway east of the Iraqi city of Faw.

The ministry said there were no British warships operating in the Shatt-al-Arab waterway but some smaller vessels were there.

"We are assisting the Iraqi water police there so it may be one of those vessels," a spokesman said on condition of anonymity. "We don't know."

The Foreign Office said British diplomats in Tehran had been in contact with the Iranian government but it was still unclear what had happened.

The Royal Navy has been training Iraqi personnel in coastal defense for several weeks on the waterway, and it is possible that the vessels were part of that exercise.

 

[Van Helsing]

Hi we3luvdisney your a bit late with that post

trolls, i love the ones in Epcot.

If anyone has any doubts PM supergoof - I AGREE with his views on the unscheduled landing

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by Van Helsing
Hi we3luvdisney your a bit late with that post

Late? The article was posted on Mon Jun 21,10:33 AM ET.

 

[Van Helsing]

Late?

Yes Late

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by izzy
"The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls."

 

[Van Helsing]

Two pilots who landed an airliner at the wrong South Dakota airport have been suspended, a spokesman for Northwest Airlines said late Monday.

The Northwest flight carrying 117 passengers to Rapid City, S.D., veered off course Saturday and landed at nearby Ellsworth Air Force Base.

The plane remained on the ground for more than three hours as the pilots told Air Force security officers what went wrong -- and as a new crew was dispatched to continue the flight to Rapid City.

An Air Force spokesman said the pilots said they descended through a cloud and the first runway they saw was the one at Ellsworth.

The two runways are parallel, but about 7 miles apart.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by Van Helsing
Two pilots who landed an airliner at the wrong South Dakota airport have been suspended, a spokesman for Northwest Airlines said late Monday.

The Northwest flight carrying 117 passengers to Rapid City, S.D., veered off course Saturday and landed at nearby Ellsworth Air Force Base.

The plane remained on the ground for more than three hours as the pilots told Air Force security officers what went wrong -- and as a new crew was dispatched to continue the flight to Rapid City.

An Air Force spokesman said the pilots said they descended through a cloud and the first runway they saw was the one at Ellsworth.

The two runways are parallel, but about 7 miles apart.

as stated yesterday...

sounds like they probably have commercial and private air traffic near the base all the time
..

if they came out of the clouds saw the runway and landed right away...when exactly did they have time to scramble fighters...

where was the breakdown in Homeland Security..it seems to me you're making something of nothing

 

[Pin Wizard]

I still have to wonder about the air traffic controllers. Don't they advise the pilots as to which runway to land on? They see them on their screens. Don't they advise a slight change in course if they're off? Just curious. (Having known a guy that was an ATC.)