So how long does it take to tow a monorail?

We've stayed at the Polynesian the last 2 summers. One we left days before the accident. Both times we had monorail views (asked, and granted b/c our son loves it) and this trip we saw it sitting and waiting a lot more often then previous summer. There was frequently one sitting out there waiting for something.
 
We've stayed at the Polynesian the last 2 summers. One we left days before the accident. Both times we had monorail views (asked, and granted b/c our son loves it) and this trip we saw it sitting and waiting a lot more often then previous summer. There was frequently one sitting out there waiting for something.

Which end of the Poly? is it the end closest to TTC? if so the train parked on express is doing nothing more than holding, Its the primary hold point for the TTC.
 
We've nearly been late to two different Ohana ADR's due to monorail issue. Issues also caused us to miss Wishes after an Ohana dinner. The monorail seems like it has issues all the time now. I no longer trust it if I have to make an ADR.
 
and the following day there was another story on the news about a breakdown between TTC and CR that required a full train to be towed.
I wonder if that was the same Monorail my family and I went on? As I said in my previous reply we were at the TTC when we were told to get off and we had just came from the Contemporary and eventually it got towed away. However I don't remember hearing anything on the news about that because it wasn't anything major then a regular problem with it.
 

OP, have you met every CM in guest relations this trip? They must all be on a first name basis with you. I felt so bad when I realized who had posted this. Hoping some pixie dust comes your way! pixiedust:
 
And this happens regularly?

I sure wouldn't want to pay extra to stay at a monorail resort. I keep hearing stories (even from friends who just came back) about missing ADR's due to monorail breakdowns.
We were VERY LATE once due to monorail breakdown issues. O'hana worked us in but it was a longer than we liked wait. But Hey, what do you do? try to roll with the punches...

Maybe it's just me but I noticed more problems with the Monorail's since the accident in July 2009. In December of that year we had two issues with Monorail's breaking down and before then we never had issues them when staying at the Contemporary.

The 1st time we were on a Resort Monorail that was at the TTC and we were told to get off because there was a problem with it. Then it took them at least 20 - 30 minutes to decide if they should take tow it to the maintenance area. I was thinking if we were told to get off then shouldn't it be towed right away? In fact when we got on at the Contemporary I told my family something smells like it's burning, which had to be the problem it had.

The 2nd time was a few days later when we had just finished eating at the Kona Island Sushi Bar at the Polynesian and was walking back to the Monorail station when we were told the Resort Monorail was down. We then asked how can we get back to the Contemporary? We were told walk to the TTC, take the Express Monorail to the Magic Kingdom and use the walkway back to the Contemporary. Instead we told them what happened at the Polynesian front desk, who then gave us a taxi voucher so we wouldn't need to pay for one and that was a lot faster then the advice the Monorail Cast Member gave us.
WOW!! that is completely CRAZY to expect guests to do that to get back to their hotel because of a monrail breakdown! that is two transfers and a lot MORE walking than taking a monorail straight from one hotel to the other...
if they told me to do that as a response I would've looked at them like this...:scared1:

Now that I think about it, you are right....they were worked in. But if I were in that situation....the anxiety of that happening even one time would outweigh the convenience of getting to 2 out of 4 parks by monorail. Then again, we don't go back and forth to our room once we're in the park and we've never had a bus break down. So I guess I am biased in those senses.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want the monorail to go away. I hope that patch it and patch until it's just not patch-able anymore. But I would never rely on the monorail when making ADR's.

We were on a bus once when a tire blew out big time! Fortunately, it was VERY close to a parking lot where there just happened to be an empty bus that was being used to train a new driver. What luck!! Our bus was able to get onto the parking lot and it was just a matter of minutes until we were on our way again on the other bus. That couldn't have been any better if it had been planned...LOL
 
WOW!! that is completely CRAZY to expect guests to do that to get back to their hotel because of a monrail breakdown! that is two transfers and a lot MORE walking than taking a monorail straight from one hotel to the other...
if they told me to do that as a response I would've looked at them like this...:scared1:
That's why we didn't listen to his advice.
 
Being stuck high up on the monorail really scares me, and I've read about it enough on the disboards that it's making me afraid to take the monorail lately - I've been choosing the boats instead :scared:
 
Okay, so if the monorail breaks down for an hour or more, where do the people on it go to the bathroom? Because I guarantee the minute I started feeling any sense of worry or being trapped, I'd need a bathroom FAST!
 
As in the case of the day the OP mentioned, Kids went in 2 cups that were shoved at a CM when the mother got off the monorail.
 
Random question this made me think about.....

what happens if a monorail breaks down over one of the switch points?

As in, If they can't move the switch to get the tractor on the beam because of a stalled train, how do they move the broken down train off the switch?
 
As in the case of the day the OP mentioned, Kids went in 2 cups that were shoved at a CM when the mother got off the monorail.


People are so rude, I'm sure when that CM got to work today he/she was rubbing their hands together with an evil smile and talking with other CM's about how their evil plan to get the monorails stuck would be executed. People like the one you mentioned disgust me.
 
Random question this made me think about.....

what happens if a monorail breaks down over one of the switch points?

As in, If they can't move the switch to get the tractor on the beam because of a stalled train, how do they move the broken down train off the switch?

Ahhh good question, yet another reason the new spur near switch 9 is a good addition however, there could still be issues if a train broke down on the resort switch.

There is the ability for a train to train pull however that is technically against WDW policy. New operating procedures prohibit trains being that close.

So

The most commonly talked about procedure would be use a bucket truck to hook a cable on to the monorail and have a truck move it off the switch enough so it can be opened up for a work tractor.
 
Ahhh good question, yet another reason the new spur near switch 9 is a good addition however, there could still be issues if a train broke down on the resort switch.

There is the ability for a train to train pull however that is technically against WDW policy. New operating procedures prohibit trains being that close.

So

The most commonly talked about procedure would be use a bucket truck to hook a cable on to the monorail and have a truck move it off the switch enough so it can be opened up for a work tractor.

Interesting.

Hmmmm... So i'm guessing that new SOP prohibitting trains being that also has caused an end to the end-to-end train parking in the Contemporary during harsh weather? I wonder if that may have had something to do with some of the trouble we heard over the holidays with the deep freeze and trains actually having to be exposed to the harsh temps unlike in prior years when they'd shelter overnight in the 'heated' contemporary.
 
Interesting.

Hmmmm... So i'm guessing that new SOP prohibitting trains being that also has caused an end to the end-to-end train parking in the Contemporary during harsh weather? I wonder if that may have had something to do with some of the trouble we heard over the holidays with the deep freeze and trains actually having to be exposed to the harsh temps unlike in prior years when they'd shelter overnight in the 'heated' contemporary.

You got it.

Everyone in the department knows what leaving them out in the cold does.

They can safely park trains nose to nose inside the contemporary, they did so for many many years. If you want to talk about fun, try driving into shop and parking right on the end of a beam that just ends.

MKIVShop.jpg
 
You got it.

Everyone in the department knows what leaving them out in the cold does.

They can safely park trains nose to nose inside the contemporary, they did so for many many years. If you want to talk about fun, try driving into shop and parking right on the end of a beam that just ends.

Now that is sad - I guess Disney is going to have build more garages for them or do with less
I'm assuming that the cold messes up the fluid in them.
When I went in August the only one that had trouble was the Tron one (every time we got on it - one door just didn't want to shut)

I did see a bus break down too - another bus came & parked behind it & the people moved - I just saw as we went pass in our bus.
 
Now that is sad - I guess Disney is going to have build more garages for them or do with less
I'm assuming that the cold messes up the fluid in them.
When I went in August the only one that had trouble was the Tron one (every time we got on it - one door just didn't want to shut)

I did see a bus break down too - another bus came & parked behind it & the people moved - I just saw as we went pass in our bus.


Well for example a simple problem that occurs from the cold is what we call a Smart Tire. There are sensors that monitor tire pressure on every tire, when the cold weather hits it lowers the pressure which sets of a Smart Tire alert. We know it is the weather causing the problem however to be safe they need to be checked just in case its a leak causing the problem.

Recycling doors are a pain, they slow everything down waiting for them to close. Sometimes its as simple as a build up of air pressure inside the car (which can be fixed by opening one of the window vents) or it could be mechanical. Chances are if you see a door that doesn't open period it has been locked out by maintenance.
 
You got it.

Everyone in the department knows what leaving them out in the cold does.

They can safely park trains nose to nose inside the contemporary, they did so for many many years. If you want to talk about fun, try driving into shop and parking right on the end of a beam that just ends.

MKIVShop.jpg

I miss those old MKIV's.... It's probably just like with Classic cars... pain to maintain, not nearly as efficient, but there just seemed to be so much more personality in them.

Or maybe it's just a case of me missing the old "clack-clack-clack" you'd hear from the cast members walking down shutting all those doors that just added that little something extra. :rotfl2:


I do have to wonder though if the nightmare this past winter, and the fact the cold has been a more common occurance the past couple years, if the suits/bean counters might relent a little on their new policies to allow the nose-to-nose parking again at some point. In theory (besides the fact it was done for years safely,) any "oops" type fear should be easy to overcome since you'd effectively be able to park the first trains and empty them without having anybody 'in danger', and the 2nd train could then be brought in with just the pilot in the "front" cab, and who'd be able to see what he was doing. Worst case, throw in a little precautionary rule stating that the procedure wouldn't be allowed if the monorail window was fogged up preventing decent visability.


Or for that matter, just throw a damned proximity sensor to idiot proof the procedure in the specs for the next gen trains. straight flat beam + cheap laser type proximity sensors would make for pretty easy engineering.
 
I miss those old MKIV's.... It's probably just like with Classic cars... pain to maintain, not nearly as efficient, but there just seemed to be so much more personality in them.

Or maybe it's just a case of me missing the old "clack-clack-clack" you'd hear from the cast members walking down shutting all those doors that just added that little something extra. :rotfl2:


I do have to wonder though if the nightmare this past winter, and the fact the cold has been a more common occurance the past couple years, if the suits/bean counters might relent a little on their new policies to allow the nose-to-nose parking again at some point. In theory (besides the fact it was done for years safely,) any "oops" type fear should be easy to overcome since you'd effectively be able to park the first trains and empty them without having anybody 'in danger', and the 2nd train could then be brought in with just the pilot in the "front" cab, and who'd be able to see what he was doing. Worst case, throw in a little precautionary rule stating that the procedure wouldn't be allowed if the monorail window was fogged up preventing decent visability.


Or for that matter, just throw a damned proximity sensor to idiot proof the procedure in the specs for the next gen trains. straight flat beam + cheap laser type proximity sensors would make for pretty easy engineering.

I would imagine that there will be some revisiting of the current rules, It was such a major overhaul from the old system that its impossible to get it right the first time. The current rules and policy were written with good intentions but without much thought of practicality.

There are many things that can be done, cameras could be installed on each train for reversing, there are already touch screen monitors in each cab it surely wouldn't be hard to have it flip to a display when the train it put in reverse.

The reversing procedures for slightly missing your stop are just plain crazy, I can understand needing them for longer reverses but an inch or two is just slowing everything down for everyone. Let's face it if a train is going to hit another train there are far bigger problems than just a couple inches.

Red - "Central, Red"
Central - "Central, Bye"
Red - "at the Polynesian, need to reverse to complete my stop"
Central - "10-4, 23 radio"
Red - "10-4, 23 Radio"
Central - "Polynesian, Central"
Polynesian -"Polynesian, Bye"
Central - "Need an observer for Red"
Polynesian - "10-4, I am at the rear of red, with a handpack, there are no trains behind red, it's clear to reverse"
Central - "10-4, I copy the beamway behind red is clear, break, Red, central"
Red "Red, Bye"
Central " Place your train in reverse, complete your stop, hold and notify central"

Red completes it stop

Red - "Central, Red"
Central - "Central, Bye"
Red - "Completed my stop in reverse"
Central - "10-4, train in forward, with dispatch normal visual"
Red - "10-4 train in forward, with dispatch normal visual"

See why it takes forever.

Don't get me wrong there are some really good additions to the new OG. I think its great we no longer reverse through a switch (well there are times but there is another procedure for that), some great changes were made regarding driving conditions and visibility, and switching procedures to just name a couple things.

One of the silliest rules is regarding platform cast members. Have you ever noticed that there is a little box like area at the Grand Floridian that cast stand inside of, well that is because its deemed not safe for them to be outside of there without a train... makes some sense except at the Polynesian and Contemporary the platform cast member is allowed on the beam side of the gates *scratches head*

The procedure for reversing a train inside the contemporary is kind of confusing as well, if the resort train has to back up to complete its stop (yeah, I've missed the contemporary stop before) it must wait until a express train stops at pylon 45 (north end of the contemporary), it gives the all clear that nothing is behind the train and it can reverse. It makes sense except for the fact that everywhere else a platform cast member must have a hand pack in their hand so they can drop power should a train somehow approach the reversing train, there is no way for the express train to drop power to the beam. In no way do I feel that any procedure is unsafe, the express train not being able to drop power is not a major concern, there is always the radio (however train to train communication is prohibited) and a nice loud horn to get the attention of the other driver, the problem is there is a contradiction in how things are done.

Parking nose to nose at the contemporary is no big deal, heck in shop we drive towards a beam that ends. There is a tennis ball hanging of some string, when we see the ball move we simply stop (yeah really high tech eh)

All you would need is a platform cast member observing with a hand pack, a reduced speed of 1 or 2 mph entering the contemporary and there is your safe procedure. Throw in the proximity sensors that were mentioned and you have another safety precaution.

I doubt it will ever happen, the thought of having a Pilot driving in forward so close to another train sends chills through legal and understandably so. Hopefully over time things will be adjusted, the trains will get the care they deserve and require and maybe, just maybe the Walt Disney World Monorail system will once again be something very special.
 














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