So do you think they're terrorists?

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I'm leaning towards that they are actually reselling them, but maybe I'm naive. Actually, I usually am. ;) What do you think? (This hits pretty close to home since they live in the same town as my Mom & sister)

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/d...ories/wfaa060812_wz_terrorphones.991dfb0.html

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Dallas-area men face terrorism charges

01:35 PM CDT on Saturday, August 12, 2006

Associated Press

AP
The suspects were driving a blue minivan with Texas license plates. CARO, Mich. — Three men were arrested Friday on charges of supporting terrorism after they purchased 80 prepaid mobile phones from a Wal-Mart store, police said.

The men, all from the Dallas area, were being held on charges of soliciting or providing material support for terrorism and obtaining information of a vulnerable target for the purposes of terrorism, police Sgt. Dale Stevenson said. They told investigators they planned to resell the phones to a wholesaler for profit, police said.

Stevenson declined to elaborate on how the case relates to terrorism. Telephone messages were left Friday with the Tuscola County prosecutor's office and the FBI, which assisted with the investigation.

The men, ages 18, 22 and 23, were being held in Tuscola County Jail and scheduled to be arraigned Saturday.

Stevenson said the men went to a 24-hour Wal-Mart store in Caro early Friday and bought the cell phones despite a store policy limiting customers to three phones per purchase. A Wal-Mart clerk who thought the purchases were suspicious alerted police.

"They target these stores late, in the morning, hoping to get an inexperienced clerk," Stevenson said.

Police stopped the men's van about 1:30 a.m. and found nearly 1,000 phones, most of which were prepaid TracFones, along with a laptop computer and a bag of receipts, Stevenson said.

"The cell phones can be used as detonators. Batteries can be disassembled and used to make methamphetamine. Obviously there's something wrong here," Caro Police Chief Ben Page said.


The men had nearly 1,000 mobile phones in their van, police said. The men told police they were buying the phones, which cost about $20 and come with a charger, taking them out of their packaging and selling them to a wholesaler in Texas for about $38 without the charger.

The arrests in Caro, about 90 miles north of Detroit, come three days after two men were arrested in Marietta, Ohio, where police said they piqued suspicions when they acknowledged buying about 600 phones in recent months at stores in southeast Ohio.

Investigators found information about airline flights and airports in their car.

The men, Ali Houssaiky and Osama Abulhassan, both 20 and from Dearborn, have been charged with two felonies—money laundering in support of terrorism and soliciting or providing support for acts of terrorism—and misdemeanor falsification. A preliminary hearing on the felony counts was set for Tuesday.

Defense lawyers said Houssaiky and Abulhassan planned to resell the phones simply to make money and the flight information consisted of old papers left in the car by a relative who worked at an airport.

"The only illusory connection advanced by the prosecution to date is based on race and national origin," Abulhassan's family said in a statement. "This appears to be a typical case of racial profiling and we are confident Osama and Ali will be exonerated."

Prosecutors in Ohio have said the prepaid phones can be used to make hard-to-track international calls and have been linked to use by terrorists.

Wal-Mart has an agreement with cell phone manufactures to enforce a limit of three cell phones per purchase, said John Simley, a spokesman for Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in Bentonville, Ark.

"We're providing law enforcement officials with all the information we can to help with the ongoing investigation," Simley said. "We are not discussing the purchases or other details pertinent to the incidents."
 
OK, before I even got very far into the article, my first thought was...."I thought there was a limit on how many you can buy at once?" Yup there is.

Now, my next question. WHY would someone pay $38 for a phone alone when you can get it for $20 with a charger.

Sounds suspicous to me on one level or another.
 
Not sure how to answer the question because they aren't revealing all of the evidence...so they could be, they might not be.

Sounds like they definitely are doing something suspicious. Whether they are supporting terrorism remains to be seen.
WHY would someone pay $38 for a phone alone when you can get it for $20 with a charger.
I was thinking the same thing? Weird.
 
I live in a suburb of Tampa that a couple of months after 9/11 was specifically cited on the national news as being a "hotbed of terrorism".

There have been several arrests and investigations here since. It was shocking to hear, but I believe it.

I do believe that there are people that live in this country for the sole purpose of being involved in terrorist plans. Do I look upon everyone I encounter as a potential terrorist or live my life in fear? NO. But I am realistic. There are people that don't like this country, and there are extremists..... Not much I personally can do about it, but I do believe there are real threats. Someone buying all those phones would send up a red flag to me.
 

Aidensmom said:
I live in a suburb of Tampa that a couple of months after 9/11 was specifically cited on the national news as being a "hotbed of terrorism".

There have been several arrests and investigations here since. It was shocking to hear, but I believe it.

I do believe that there are people that live in this country for the sole purpose of being involved in terrorist plans. Do I look upon everyone I encounter as a potential terrorist or live my life in fear? NO. But I am realistic. There are people that don't like this country, and there are extremists..... Not much I personally can do about it, but I do believe there are real threats. Someone buying all those phones would send up a red flag to me.
True. We cannot assume that it's all coming from outside sources...or people who do not consider themselves 'Americans'.

I think we need to especially worry about influential, unstable young people. It reminds me of that young kid who went to join the Taliban (or Al Queda) shortly after 9-11. Some people just are looking to be a part of an 'important' group and get swept up in the 'cause'. And then there are some who just hate. And some who may have been indocrinated young and sent here to blend in YEARS ago. All it really takes is a misguided follower who believes in what he/she is hearing. Who would be willing to kill innocent people and be killed for it.

You just never know anymore. It's not like they wear a specific uniform like other wars.
 
When I heard this, and now read this I would be confident in saying I think they are terrorists.
The excuses about the airline info being from a relative who works in an airport seems pretty shady to me and a very weak explanation.
And I'm so sick of everyone using the 'profiling' claim. Oh they are just harassing us because of our ethnicity..blah blah blah. No they are investigating you because that's a heck of a lot of cell phones, your logic in reselling them is odd to say the least, and hello, did you NOT notice the airport information in your vehicle? And then, did you not notice the increase in the alert level after this past weeks news frenzy?
Though I have to say, if they are in fact terrorists (and I believe that they are) then they weren't the cream of the crop terrorists...Trying to buy that many cellphones at once. Even if there wasn't a limit, I would be suspicious!!
 
The excuses about the airline info being from a relative who works in an airport seems pretty shady to me and a very weak explanation.
You know, I jus reread the article and somehow missed the airline info part. Ok....yeah, really, really suspicious.
 
They're actually talking about two different groups of men. The ones w/ the stuff in their car were somewhere else.

(I think) It's kind of confusing.
 
In another article they said these men were buying Tracfone cellphones. The one thing I know a LOT about is Tracfones. No one would buy one for $38 - especially without a charger or minutes.

http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=5269589

Yes, I think they are terrorists. But then again, I have been forced to be suspicious. My home city is missing nearly 3000 people from the 9/11. And when I look out my window, there is a gaping hole is the sky where two towers used to block the sky. Terrorist attacks aren't just something on TV or in the news for me. I live within 1 mile of a hard target zone in NYC. I have to be suspicious of strange activities on a daily basis. :(
 
OK, I've read more and have changed my opinion. It does appear that they were doing something questionable. Ugh.

The wife to one of them was on the local news here going off about the racial profiling and saying that all they were doing was reselling the phone to make a "$5 profit on each one".
 
WHY would someone pay $38 for a phone alone when you can get it for $20 with a charger.

You can bet a wholesaler wouldn't. No need to. They'd get them from the source not three guys shopping at WalMart.

Very suspicious.
 
I do. They make one phone call and then throw it away. Use another one to make another call and then throw it away. Almost impossible to trace.

Use some to trigger IEDs.

Making Meth from batteries??? Yeah right.

Racial profiling? Again, yeah right.

I don't think these clowns are big time players. Just mules.
 
It also makes me wonder though...these guys obviously were not the most savvy of terrorists...they got caught it what seems to be an almost obvious attempt to draw attention TO them...
So then were they sent out as decoys? Getting attention drawn to them to then let something else go by undetected?
With all the current flury of action in regards to carryons/liquids/cellphones are we missing something else?

Ok, time to stop reading these threads...and stop reading books that involve deep government conspiracy theories! :rotfl:
 
There was a local story on the news tonight about two Pakistani men being reported to Homeland Security for buying 60 Tracfones at CompUSA (Pittsburgh).

Someone else posted that Middle Eastern guys were caught in Southern Ohio buying a bunch of Tracfones.

So, what's going on?
 
Apparently, the wife of one of the Texas phone buying guys said her husband was going to sell the phones for a $5 profit each. That's five grand. It's possible.
 


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