Snow day during your Vacation - Office Issue - What do you think?

I agree with a pp.
I work in HR for the government and if you call in sick a day before or a day after planned time off, then you don't get the time paid. Period. Same with holidays, if you call out a day before or after a holiday- you don't get the holiday pay.
I think she should have her vacation time taken for the vacation time used!
 
A snow day during your vacation is still counted as a Vacation Day. It's the same thing as the office closing early. If the day before Thanksgiving the office closes 2 hours early and you took that day as a day of vacation, you still are counted as taking a full day of vacation.
 
I don't work in the private sector, but if I take a personal day or a sick day that turns out to be a snow day, I don't get charged for it.
 
If we are out on vacation when the business closes, it is still vacation. It's the same thing when we get sick while on vacation-we don't get to use sick days, it still has to be vacation.
 

Inclement weather is only available to employees scheduled to work. ie I am not scheduled due to vacation or I had previously arranged a sick day, I don't get to take an inclement weather day.

At least that's how it works at my job.
 
Ok - here is the situation - I am a partner in a small office - 10 people. One of the secretaries has a husband who is *very* sick and has been *very* sick for the last 4 years. As a result - she is out of work alot - a real lot. One year we paid her for the full year (without docking her any pay) and she missed 18 weeks of work (she gets 4 weeks vacation a year). Last year, we told her we would have to stop paying her when she was out after her vacation time was used up -- her absences dropped to only about 7 weeks total (4 weeks vacation and 3 weeks unpaid).

Anyway - her husband is starting to feel better so they decided to take a 1 week vacation last week to visit her son down South (a plane ride away).

On Monday the 2nd - the first day of her vacation out of the office we had a huge Nor'Easter with over a foot of snow so the night before - my other partners and I talked and decided to close the office - we called the employees and told them that due to the snow we were probably closing the office. That morning we called everyone and told them to watch the weather and if it was safe to come in around noon or so to do that. Several of the partners came in but the other secretary (we have 2) did not.

So fast forward to today - the vacationing secretary's first day back was supposed to be yesterday but she was sick. So today is her first day back. For what its worth, she told us via email (from her vacation) that she would be out tomorrow for a 1/2 day cause husband has a doctor's appointment, and would be out all day Thursday (he is having minor surgery) and would be out 1/2 day Friday to pick him up at the hospital.

So anyway - she comes in to see me to ask if we were closed last Monday for the snow storm because she saw someone's time card that said "snow day". I told her that the office was open but we advised employees to use their discretion in coming in and I named those people that did come in. She says well secretary X didn't come in - I said that was true.

So now, even though she was out on vacation, she feels that since we had a snow day and the other secretary did not come in - it does not cost her a vacation day.

Personally, I disagree with her - I think that the issue is that you were out - you told the office you were unavailable and were going on vacation - the fact that something came up that day to alter who was in the office and/or closing early for snow (including the other secretary exercising the discretion we told her to exercise and deciding she did not want to drive in the snow and therefore did not come in) doesn't mean you get the benefit of the snow day instead of using a vacation day.

I kind of look at it like you had to be available and ready to work that day to get the benefit of the snow day. What if everyone had come in and we closed the office at 10am - does that mean she shouldn't have to take a vacation day that day because we closed early -- or should have only had to use 1 hour of vacation time instead of a whole day?

I really think that if you were on vacation - you don't get the benefit of the snow day - what do you guys think?


You need to develop a time and attendance policy for your office. This much time missed is excessive and grounds for termination.

No, I would not pay her. I would remind her of the half a year she missed and was paid for....then, I would document and prepare to terminate.
 
You need to develop a time and attendance policy for your office. This much time missed is excessive and grounds for termination.

No, I would not pay her. I would remind her of the half a year she missed and was paid for....then, I would document and prepare to terminate.

Wow! I hope that she is that valuable an employee to put up with that BS
 
I agree with you, the day should count as a vacation day and I'm surprised she would have the nerve to even question it considering how flexible and generous you have been with her.

PS - do you work for a law firm? I have paralegal experience! If you are as generous with your salaries as you are with that woman's time off, I would like to come and work for you. I will move to New England!!! :rotfl:
 
On slightly another topic...
I have a car for starters and had to shovel for over an hour,
got stuck on the way in,
got quick tow and made it to work both days on time..

My company decided to grant snow days to those who 'were unable to make it to work'...
and for everyone that made the extra effort.... we didn't even get a 'Thanks for your hard work'

Does this seem fair?? shouldn't i get a couple vacation days in lieu?
 
On slightly another topic...
I have a car for starters and had to shovel for over an hour,
got stuck on the way in,
got quick tow and made it to work both days on time..

My company decided to grant snow days to those who 'were unable to make it to work'...
and for everyone that made the extra effort.... we didn't even get a 'Thanks for your hard work'

Does this seem fair?? shouldn't i get a couple vacation days in lieu?

I'm not sure you should be given some vacation in return, but I'd sure keep their level of gratitude in mind when deciding if I was "able" to make it to work on future snow days.
 
On slightly another topic...
I have a car for starters and had to shovel for over an hour,
got stuck on the way in,
got quick tow and made it to work both days on time..

My company decided to grant snow days to those who 'were unable to make it to work'...
and for everyone that made the extra effort.... we didn't even get a 'Thanks for your hard work'

Does this seem fair?? shouldn't i get a couple vacation days in lieu?

Nice first post on an 8 year old thread!

No, you shouldn't. If you feel you can make it in safely, do so. If not, run the risk that it may be a vacation day.

Now, with that said, as a boss, I often treat my guys who brave the snow days to a first nice weather day later in the year in it's place. :smooth:
 
Ok - here is the situation - I am a partner in a small office - 10 people. One of the secretaries has a husband who is *very* sick and has been *very* sick for the last 4 years. As a result - she is out of work alot - a real lot. One year we paid her for the full year (without docking her any pay) and she missed 18 weeks of work (she gets 4 weeks vacation a year). Last year, we told her we would have to stop paying her when she was out after her vacation time was used up -- her absences dropped to only about 7 weeks total (4 weeks vacation and 3 weeks unpaid).

Anyway - her husband is starting to feel better so they decided to take a 1 week vacation last week to visit her son down South (a plane ride away).

On Monday the 2nd - the first day of her vacation out of the office we had a huge Nor'Easter with over a foot of snow so the night before - my other partners and I talked and decided to close the office - we called the employees and told them that due to the snow we were probably closing the office. That morning we called everyone and told them to watch the weather and if it was safe to come in around noon or so to do that. Several of the partners came in but the other secretary (we have 2) did not.

So fast forward to today - the vacationing secretary's first day back was supposed to be yesterday but she was sick. So today is her first day back. For what its worth, she told us via email (from her vacation) that she would be out tomorrow for a 1/2 day cause husband has a doctor's appointment, and would be out all day Thursday (he is having minor surgery) and would be out 1/2 day Friday to pick him up at the hospital.

So anyway - she comes in to see me to ask if we were closed last Monday for the snow storm because she saw someone's time card that said "snow day". I told her that the office was open but we advised employees to use their discretion in coming in and I named those people that did come in. She says well secretary X didn't come in - I said that was true.

So now, even though she was out on vacation, she feels that since we had a snow day and the other secretary did not come in - it does not cost her a vacation day.

Personally, I disagree with her - I think that the issue is that you were out - you told the office you were unavailable and were going on vacation - the fact that something came up that day to alter who was in the office and/or closing early for snow (including the other secretary exercising the discretion we told her to exercise and deciding she did not want to drive in the snow and therefore did not come in) doesn't mean you get the benefit of the snow day instead of using a vacation day.

I kind of look at it like you had to be available and ready to work that day to get the benefit of the snow day. What if everyone had come in and we closed the office at 10am - does that mean she shouldn't have to take a vacation day that day because we closed early -- or should have only had to use 1 hour of vacation time instead of a whole day?

I really think that if you were on vacation - you don't get the benefit of the snow day - what do you guys think?

I've worked in places that did it both ways. Currently, our policy is that if the office closes, no one has to take PTO, if you had put in for PTO, you get it back. My previous employer was the opposite. How often do you guys close? If it's not often, then I'd just give it to her and make that your policy - Little things like that can go a long way with morale.
 
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Something similar happened to me a four years back. January 18, I had booked the afternoon off to attend my Grampa's 90th Birthday. I was scheduled to work from 9am-1pm. It had snowed the night before lightly but accumulated as the day progressed. Owner called it at 12:30pm and sent everybody home.
Office manager handed me back my vacation request form saying "I never got this" hint hint. I was allowed to rescind my vacation request as I was in the office working when it was closed. Thos who were on VACATION or did not make it in due to the snow had to use a vacation day if they wanted to be paid for that day. My manager drove me home. I can and do walk to work, especially in snow.
 
Where I work, she would be able to take the day as a "snow day" and would not have to use a vacation day. But, we would not be so understanding as to her needing all that time off.
 
Why isn't she using intermittent FMLA leave to take care of her husband?
 












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