ROFR Thread April to June 2025 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

[atthebeachclub]

Both my resale contracts I feel like this board might judge me because I did asking price and didn't try to barter. Both were fantastic deals ($125 BLT, double points; $90 SSR, double points) and I didn't want to try to nickel and dime them, I just wanted to respect their realistic asking with an immediate full price offer. Might be a sucker? But I got both the contracts I want without having to go back and forth and try to short change them when they were reasonable!

Offering full price when reasonably priced already is quite reasonable!

 

[Hubalorian]

I'm just waiting to see if the amazing BCV that lasted one hour pops up here...Someone got very lucky and beat me out while I was on the phone with my wife discussing it!

My philosophy is, if there is a great deal bid. That’s what the 10 day rescind period is for

 

[AstroBlasters]

2 amazing deals. I remember you getting the VGC.. and people be saying DVC going down in price resale wise.

The I’ll buy VGC when it gets below $200 crowd was quite large… they didn’t know it also included Disney!

 

[PolyRob]

It's sold now, so I think I can say it - it was barely there, $110 per point for 230 points, 0/364/230 for 24/25/26 points. I was about to add a third use year before it vanished!

Redacting my own post. IDK if it had too many details.

 

[Maleficent85]

Both my resale contracts I feel like this board might judge me because I did asking price and didn't try to barter. Both were fantastic deals ($125 BLT, double points; $90 SSR, double points) and I didn't want to try to nickel and dime them, I just wanted to respect their realistic asking with an immediate full price offer. Might be a sucker? But I got both the contracts I want without having to go back and forth and try to short change them when they were reasonable!

We've haggled on a few contracts and paid asking price on a few as well. Last year it was about 11pm at night and I'd refreshed my favorite website to stalk after having done so 5 minutes earlier. A 350 point Rivieria popped up with 350 2023s and beyond. I woke my husband up and we made a full price offer on it at $103 a point. We also bought a Grand Flo last spring while ROFR was active for I believe $154 a point. It was a delayed closing until Aug but had full 2024s and beyond. There was another contract we attempted to buy at full price and we were the second offer at full price. I believe that one was a BLT at $115 . The other good one we got was a Poly that got listed the same day the new tower direct pricing came out and had thought we'd add on 100 points if there were some incentives at that level. We ended up paying $155 for a 150 point contract with full 300 2024s and 150 25s and beyond. It was less than 100 points direct would have been. All those are contracts we would have hated to miss out on. When Poly wasn't selling we haggled a 200 pointer down from $120 to $108 that had 200 2024s and beyond. It had sat on the market for 30 days along with 3 other polys at the same price with similar points. I still don't understand why those stuck around as long as they did and rofr was quiet at the time about a month later they started to rofr Poly again! Sometimes it pays to be thankful for a great price put of the gate and sometimes there's room for improvement.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Both my resale contracts I feel like this board might judge me because I did asking price and didn't try to barter. Both were fantastic deals ($125 BLT, double points; $90 SSR, double points) and I didn't want to try to nickel and dime them, I just wanted to respect their realistic asking with an immediate full price offer. Might be a sucker? But I got both the contracts I want without having to go back and forth and try to short change them when they were reasonable!

I think these are both good, but in defense of the board, I don’t think there’s a lot of judgment here— typically people will scroll on if it’s around median price or $20/pt above a “smoking hot deal”— generally you only see people try to talk others out of a deal during the 10 day period if it’s at least $15-20/pt above a deal that could easily be found with minimal effort and on bigger contracts where they are trying to save a newer buyer a few thousand dollars, often because people don’t realize stripped points should subtract value. I hope everyone feels comfortable posting here, even if they are *gasp* around median or above it!

 

[FellowWorldTraveler]

Sashacrab---$105-$11325-100-AKV-Apr-0/24, 115/25, 100/26- sent 4/9, passed 5/1

That’s a good find!!! Happy for you

 

[FellowWorldTraveler]

Great buy, you're either stalking the aggregators or got super lucky to spot it and snag it!

What aggregators do you use? If you don’t mind me asking lol

 

[jolynne28]

What aggregators do you use? If you don’t mind me asking lol

Try www.dvcforless.com I use another but it’s blocked I believe.

 

[disneylandtour]

This assumes Disney doesn’t use ROFR at any point. I can’t imagine they would let RIV drop that low as their only viable Epcot resort hotel for at least another 4-5yrs. Then again, they might not care since they have so many other new points to sell. I could see it being ROFRed in the $100-110 range so above that would be safe. But we won’t really know their plan until it sells outI

I don't think that Disney ROFRs actively selling resorts..

 

[disneylandtour]

I woke my husband up and we made a full price offer on it at $103 a point.

For the typical once-or-twice-a-year visitor, I think the restriction to only book RIV is huge. If your dates aren't there, you're screwed. I think that realization is just starting to settle in on some of the more casual fan sites. I can see a situation where RIV price even dips below $100.

 

[Tatebeck]

I don't think that Disney ROFRs actively selling resorts..

For the typical once-or-twice-a-year visitor, I think the restriction to only book RIV is huge. If your dates aren't there, you're screwed. I think that realization is just starting to settle in on some of the more casual fan sites. I can see a situation where RIV price even dips below $100.

Right, and the restrictions make the RIV direct points look so much better. So even though Disney may not ROFR anything while they are actively selling, once RIV and other restricted resorts sell out I expect they will be good targets for Disney to ROFR. Similar to OKW 2042 contracts right now that they can buy back and resell with more features. Extended for OKW but without resale restrictions for the newer resorts. It is an easy upgrade and resell for them.

Restrictions will make resale prices drop yes, but that makes it a cheaper buyback for Disney. And once bought back, the restrictions are gone and they can sell them as direct again at full price. I suspect this is at least part of Disney's reason for adding resale restrictions to newer resorts. Make resale less appealing and they are the only ones with the option to buy the contracts back and get rid of the restrictions on the points

 

[Sandisw]

For the typical once-or-twice-a-year visitor, I think the restriction to only book RIV is huge. If your dates aren't there, you're screwed. I think that realization is just starting to settle in on some of the more casual fan sites. I can see a situation where RIV price even dips below $100.

If someone is buying restricted RIV, my guess is that they understand what they are buying and won’t be waiting to book.

Or they own other points to use as well. I just don’t see a time when 11 month bookings are not available for the owner to use restricted RIV because until 7 months, it’s all the same.

Now, if an owner waits, that’s on them so if they can’t book when window opens, it’s not the product for them.

I actually think once it’s sold out, we will see things stabilize and potentially go up because DVD will price it as a sold out resort

 

[disneylandtour]

Right, and the restrictions make the RIV direct points look so much better. So even though Disney may not ROFR anything while they are actively selling, once RIV and other restricted resorts sell out I expect they will be good targets for Disney to ROFR. Similar to OKW 2042 contracts right now that they can buy back and resell with more features. Extended for OKW but without resale restrictions for the newer resorts. It is an easy upgrade and resell for them.

Restrictions will make resale prices drop yes, but that makes it a cheaper buyback for Disney. And once bought back, the restrictions are gone and they can sell them as direct again at full price. I suspect this is at least part of Disney's reason for adding resale restrictions to newer resorts. Make resale less appealing and they are the only ones with the option to buy the contracts back and get rid of the restrictions on the points

But also in this, once the gap is so wide between resale and direct, it will move some potential customers into resale. I think it's a very difficult balancing act for DVD. And from watching this world for years, DVD tends to react late to actual problems.

 

[Tatebeck]

If someone is buying restricted RIV, my guess is that they understand what they are buying and won’t be waiting to book.

Or they own other points to use as well. I just don’t see a time when 11 month bookings are not available for the owner to use restricted RIV because until 7 months, it’s all the same.

Now, if an owner waits, that’s on them so if they can’t book when window opens, it’s not the product for them.

I actually think once it’s sold out, we will see things stabilize and potentially go up because DVD will price it as a sold out resort

I agree. If they are really that restricted on time and can only go a during a single period, if the room they wanted was sold out they would either bank and try again next year or just book a view or room type (preferred or 1BR) instead of the one they were looking for (likely standard/studio). A resort is never usually completely booked right at 11 months, just certain rooms are fully booked.

I see some smaller higher priced contracts usually getting through (probably add on contracts for current owners) and then whenever the price drops too low or someone is about to get a steal on a larger contract then Disney will take those points back and just sell small add ons or occasionally have a firesale deal.

ETA: A nice little side effect could be that that may keep some possible commercial renters away. A large super cheap contract would be the most lucrative for that. And they would probably snatch up a lot of standard studios for confirmed rentals too.

 

[Tatebeck]

But also in this, once the gap is so wide between resale and direct, it will move some potential customers into resale. I think it's a very difficult balancing act for DVD. And from watching this world for years, DVD tends to react late to actual problems.

And an increase in buyers would drive the resale price up lowering that gap. If the resale price is high enough then of course Disney will let the resale buyers have at it. If there isn't enough money to be made they probably won't ROFR.

If the gap is big enough then it not only interests resale buyers buy Disney themselves.

So once the price drops low enough I don't think they will let all the resale contracts sell for crazy low prices when they could buy them back at $80-100 per point, immediately do a flash sale for 150-200 (or maybe even more) per point and instantly make easy money.

 

[intamin]

I'd agree with both @Tatebeck and @Sandisw regarding RIV resale. I imagine a lot of people who did buy it were okay with using the points simply to upgrade from a studio to a 1BR for example or a 2BR to a GV. There's definitely still value on the "less desirable" room categories at 11 months for an owner who maybe already has a healthy amount of RIV direct.

It's not like they won't be able to book ANYTHING. Preferred view is so readily available while not as ideal as standard and I'd imagine the delta of buy in cost helps offset that increased point cost if that's the only thing that's left.

 

[intamin]

I actually think once it’s sold out, we will see things stabilize and potentially go up because DVD will price it as a sold out resort

This was my thought process too. This is my only chance to get 11 month access to RIV and have my points not be restricted to only RIV. I didn't want to pay like 275 per point once it sells out just to be able to use them elsewhere. Compare this to buying resale at one of the O14 where the product between direct and resale is much more similar because it at least has most of the resorts in there until expiration.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

I don't think that Disney ROFRs actively selling resorts..

Right, but that was kind of my point. Current prices are without ROFR intervention. We won’t really know the value of resale RIV until it sells out and see where DVC finds the value to buy and resell direct. It doesn’t matter how we all feel about what’s its worth. I also think the sold out prices of DVC resorts will go up steadily so by the time RIV sells out, its direct pricing could be upwards of $280. A resale product going at $100/$110 (maybe more idk) for a resort with 40+yrs on it is huge value to DVD who are taking the inferior product (that fewer people want) and making it the more desired product for a hefty profit.

There’s obviously tons of unknown variables here, and mostly that includes what DVC is planning for the Epcot resort’s future. But that’s why I said for at least the next few years I don’t see it dipping too much further.

 

[Brian Noble]

For what it's worth, resale prices probably have to get much lower than they are now before it is cheaper than stick-built.

Post in thread 'Future of Riveria'

Feb 22, 2023

I think ultimately they would like to buy back all resale points and resell them directly.

Only at the right price.

The general rule of thumb in the timeshare industry is that the "cost of inventory" is at most somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of the total cost of the product you are selling. (The biggest cost component? Marketing at 40-50%.) That's cost not sales price. So even if they weren't making a dime of profit on any sale, it's better to build a shiny new resort than to ROFR a resale at anything more than about 1/3 of the direct price. Because there is...

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