Smoking Etiquette Question

[Planogirl]

I'm well aware that second hand smoke has those things. However those chemicals get on clothes and then somehow get airborne like peanut residue and affect others around the smoker whether he or she is smoking or not? I'm wondering if the chemicals behave like a residue or if they actually dissipate.

 

[CathrynRose]

You know, this is why I rarely read up on this forum anymore. Just pathetic folks, really.
And for the record, I think you would perfer me smoking than not.

::cop: Smoking Gestapo has arrived. ::cop: It's fun, huh?

I also always request a smoking room, and more than half the time - I do not get one. I remind them at check it. They have none. But theyre always willing to have Mousekeeping "bring some ashtrays to the room, anyways"

I, being the kind hearted soul I am, decline - and smoke outside the room. Now everyone is whining about that too.

Next time - Ill take the ashtrays.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I'm wondering if the chemicals behave like a residue or if they actually dissipate.

They apparently leave a residue which is how they cause harm.

Some articles which may help explain:

http://childrentoday.com/articles/3527.php?wcat=71

http://medicalreporter.health.org/tmr0895/smoke0895.html

http://www.rwjf.org/newsroom/newsreleasesdetail.jsp?id=10211

http://innovatorsawards.org/pressevents/84722

 

[Cindy's Mom]

Just last week - I smoked outside of my POP room 1st floor lakeview room (I get 1st floor on exterior hall way hotels specifically for that reason) - I asked that neighbors next to me if they minded, they looked at me like I was crazy and said "no, you're outside". So there I sat and smoked while reading the Enquirer! Will I get flamed for reading trash too?

 

[disallday!]

Can't we all just get along...

It's sad that it has come to this (smokers vs. non-smokers) all because of rude and inconsiderate people (on both sides).

I hope I don't get attacked for this, I'm prepared with my mace.

I believe that people have the right to smoke in designated places. I do not pass gas in restaurants when people are eating delicious meals. It's only considerate!

 

[pugdog]

I didn't say fault, I said responsibility. Then it's the absolute responsibility of the person with the medical condition to avoid the smoke.

How about the responsibility of the smoker to make sure they are smoking in the right area?? There are enough bans around now that smokers should be asking where they can and can't smoke.

Posted by Planogirl
I'm confused as to how an odor can trigger an attack. I understand that the smoke itself does but what physical substance in an odor bothers people? Is there actually a physical residue of some kind that floats around in the smoke and gets on the smoker's clothes? Is it kind of like the peanut residue that bothers some people?

Just look at the car windows of smokers. There is a very thick layer of nicotine and the other junk clinging to every surface. And yes that is what sets people off. The smoke is the 4000+ chemicals that does not disappear after the physical smoke is gone.


Tobacco Industry Approach



The tobacco industry has consistently denied that non-smokers’ exposure to environmental tobacco smoke is harmful to health. The tobacco companies have steadfastly refused to acknowledge the dangers. This is because, to do so, would undermine what they perceive to be a “right” to smoke. The industry approach has been to try to spread doubt and confusion about the health effects of passive smoking and to recruit supportive scientists to promote their point of view. One tobacco industry executive stated: “Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the ‘body of fact’ that exists in the mind of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy. If we are successful at establishing a controversy at the public level then there is an opportunity to put forward the real facts about smoking and health.” According to the Tobacco Manufacturers’ Association, “the health risk claims are all too often based on a selective view of the evidence”.



There have been several notable attempts by the tobacco industry to challenge sound research on the effects of passive smoking.

Plus to admit there is a link opens them up to lawsuits.

The key to winning any debate is to make sure the evidence is on your side and supports your view. Over the last few years that is no longer the case on the side of tabacco companies and smokers, and to continue to claim it is is just wrong.

 

[pugdog]

Now everyone is whining about that too.
Next time - Ill take the ashtrays.

It's an additude like that that makes the public hate smokers.

When you stop doing what is right and only do what you want everyone loses. The asthmatic that then has to sleep in that room after you, just before they go to the ER, and the smokers who do follow the rules have to put up with the backlash of things because of people like you.

 

[Cindy's Mom]

It's an additude like that that makes the public hate smokers.

Please do not speak for me as I am part of the "public" that you speak of and I certainly do not hate smokers, but I do hate people that generalize and stereotype others.

and CathrynRose, I certainly do not hate you!!!!!

 

[pugdog]

Please do not speak for me as I am part of the "public" that you speak of and I certainly do not hate smokers, but I do hate people that generalize and stereotype others.

and CathrynRose, I certainly do not hate you!!!!!

My comment was not ment to be directed at her, but the comment she made. It could be a comment about anything. It;s the FU additude that she showed that I don't like. As far as smokers please smoke as much as you like, your keeping me employed. You'll only meet me when you finally get cancer or other breathing problems but don't let me stop you. Your addiction keeps me employed. Just don't smoke around me. And I'll stay out of any legal smoking areas.

 

[dcentity2000]

There's a much deeper debate here.

It's personal autonomy.

Argument: a person should be entirely free to do as they like, so long as they do not infringe on anyone else's rights to freedom.

Sounds fair enough, but what if person A wanted to self harm? Even worse, what if person B enters into a suicide pact with person C?

There is a line to be drawn and the issue is where it is drawn.

The classic case is R v. Brown; extreme self harm was practised for, err, "pleasure" between men; the courts ruled that their consent to the activity did not excuse the acts, even though their actions had no impact on anyone else. R v. Donovan in the Court of Appeal confirmed this notion, as did the case of Emmett, as recently as 1999.

This entire issue is incredibly complex.



Rich::

 

[Nanu57v]

You know what I've always wished there was a law about? Smoking in front of children. I always feel bad at restaurants where there's a family in the smoking section and the poor baby is breathing in puffs of smoke. Yes, the adult has the right to smoke, but doesn't the baby have to right to live a long life? Does anyone know if there are laws like this anywhere? I've always wanted to do a Legally Blonde and push a law like that through congress.

 

[kaytieeldr]

How about the responsibility of the smoker to make sure they are smoking in the right area?? There are enough bans around now that smokers should be asking where they can and can't smoke.

At Disney World and other theme parks, sure. On the street? Ask whom? And even in Orlando, smoking IS permitted walking around Downtown Disney/Pleasure Island/CityWalk - just not in the clubs.

They apparently leave a residue which is how they cause harm.

http://childrentoday.com/articles/3527.php?wcat=71: "But now for the good news: This danger is completely preventable. All you have to do to keep your children safe from its effects is to not smoke around them. That's right, the threat is secondhand smoke. And unlike other environmental hazards, genetic diseases and contagious viruses, the ill effects from secondhand smoke are completely preventable. "
http://medicalreporter.health.org/t.../smoke0895.html: "What is "secondhand" smoke? What is "passive smoking?" Secondhand smoke, sometimes called Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS), is the smoke from cigarettes, pipes, or cigars that fills the air when people smoke. Secondhand smoke, as you'll see, is different from the smoke which smokers take into their bodies by puffing and inhaling. When a nonsmoker is exposed to secondhand smoke, it is referred to as "involuntary smoking" or "passive smoking.""
http://www.rwjf.org/newsroom/newsre...il.jsp?id=10211: "Repace assessed air quality in the eight hospitality venues on Friday evenings in November 2002—before Delaware's smoking ban—and again in January 2003, two months after the ban took effect. Using state-of-the art monitoring equipment, he measured respirable particulate air pollution (RSP) and particulate polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PPAH), pollutants proven to increase risk of respiratory disease, cancer, heart disease and stroke.
Repace's findings demonstrate the dramatic effect of Delaware's smoking ban: Except for residual chalk dust in the pool hall— at 17 percent of pre-ban levels—air quality levels post-ban in all venues were indistinguishable from those measured out-of-doors." So, what's the issue with smoking outdoors? If indoor air quality in a nonsmoking environment EQUALS outdoor air quality and people smoke outdoors,...
http://innovatorsawards.org/pressevents/84722 (this is the same article as the one quoted directly above).
Anyway - 2/3 of the links and the entire report from the Surgeon General address secondhand smoke, NOT smoke residue; and even the remaining link addresses air quality, not smoke residue.

Just last week - I smoked outside of my POP room 1st floor lakeview room (I get 1st floor on exterior hall way hotels specifically for that reason) - I asked that neighbors next to me if they minded, they looked at me like I was crazy and said "no, you're outside". So there I sat and smoked while reading the Enquirer! Will I get flamed for reading trash too?

If you want... the Star is FAR superio r to the Enquirer (although I do detest the updated format; I liked it better as a tabloid )

It's an additude like that that makes the public hate smokers.

I'm the public. I don't hate smokers. I appreciate not being spoken for (on the other hand, I DO hate ending a sentence with a preposition)

Your addiction keeps me employed. Just don't smoke around me. And I'll stay out of any legal smoking areas.

Yeah. In this country, that's STILL most of the outdoors.

I also always request a smoking room, and more than half the time - I do not get one. I remind them at check it. They have none. But theyre always willing to have Mousekeeping "bring some ashtrays to the room, anyways"
I, being the kind hearted soul I am, decline - and smoke outside the room. Now everyone is whining about that too.
Next time - Ill take the ashtrays.

It's an additude(sic) like that that makes the public hate smokers.

Given that it appears CathrynRose doesn't ASK for an ashtray, it's OFFERED to her by HOTEL STAFF...

 

[freckles and boo]

It isn't about hating smokers. Most of us have dearly loved family or friends who won't, or more likely can't, easily give it up. I know from experience that no amount of begging or nagging is ever going to make a difference. Just over a year ago we buried my wonderful father-in-law after a truly horrible and drawn out emphysema death. Twenty years ago my grandmother died the same way. Fortunately the very few smokers left in my family do their best to be respectful and don't smoke when non-smokers are present. What infuriates me is that after all the clear scientific data, some people are still insisting that sharing their smoke with others is okay. It simply isn't acceptable anymore. Non-smokers have every right to get defensive, angry, militant, "gestapo", YOUR ADJECTIVE HERE about disrespectful smokers. I somewhat sympathize with smokers who are feeling pushed around and marginalized, but the right to breath clean air trumps the right to smoke in a non-smoking area.

 

[CathrynRose]

It's an additude like that that makes the public hate smokers.
.

Did you *read* my entire post?!?

It doesnt matter if I take the CM's ashtray offer (and again, they offer!), or I smoke outside my room - someone's gonna complain and "whine" about it.

So - what do -you- suggest I do? Other than your obvious "Quit Smoking" answer I can already feel your fingers getting ready to type?

ETA - And I appreciate the kind words from those who dont hate me - the nasty smoker.

 

[pugdog]

At the AKL my hubby and I smoked in the room because we requested a smoking room but didn't get one. When staff got wind of this they moved us to a smoking room. There was no smoking in that building at all! We requested a smoking room at CSR this year, hope to get one.

CathrynRose,The above post was the 5th one on this subject. They clearly didn't care at all that it was a nonsmoking building to start with. And then you came with the responce that next time you'll take the ashtray and screw the rest additude. It's the I don't care if it's wrong I'm going to do it anyway additude that gets to me.
What should you do if you don't get your smoking room? For one ask the front desk again that you want one that you can smoke in and if they don't have one then go someplace away from the room and smoke away. Taking the advise of ignorant CM's and smoking in the rooms anyways is not the correct answer. If all of the smoking rooms are taken and the demand is there then maybe WDW needs to add more rooms for you. BUt if the demand is higher for nonsmoking then that would be the correct business route for WDW. They are only doing what the public demands and what will make them the biggest buck.

 

[CathrynRose]

CathrynRose,The above post was the 5th one on this subject. They clearly didn't care at all that it was a nonsmoking building to start with. And then you came with the responce that next time you'll take the ashtray and screw the rest additude. It's the I don't care if it's wrong I'm going to do it anyway additude that gets to me.

Wow... *someone* needs to relax.

What should you do if you don't get your smoking room? For one ask the front desk again that you want one that you can smoke in and if they don't have one then go someplace away from the room and smoke away. Taking the advise of ignorant CM's and smoking in the rooms anyways is not the correct answer..

Gee - each CM I had was ignorant?

You know - I have no idea why youre jumping down my throat, pal. Might I remind you I said I smoked outside.

Again - chill out. Perhaps you need a cigarette?

 

[pugdog]

I am relaxed. I'm going to give up on this subject because it is very clear that the nicotine has clearly cloged more then just your arteries.

 

[dcentity2000]

Smokeless cigarettes are being developed, but so far the quest has met with no luck.

At any rate, I have no idea how on earth that would work?



Rich::

 

[Aidensmom]

I always request a non-smoking room because I have asthma, and the smoke (and lingering odor - don't know why, just know it does) trigger my attacks. Believe me, if someone has smoked outside then come inside and sat in an upholstered chair, I will know it when I come in the room days later.

However, I have never experience a problem at Disney where I have had to request another room. They seem to be very good about getting any lingering odors out from what I have seen.

I also really never thought it was wrong for people to smoke outside their rooms (as long as the door is closed). Maybe it is because there are a lot of other things that trigger my asthma that I get exposed to - perfumes, pest sprays, etc - on a daily basis, but I have just learned to cope with them. If I see someone smoking outside their door, or am in an elevator with someone who just finished a cigarette, I just hold my breath until I am out of the range of the smoke/odor. Now, I have had people give me dirty looks because I guess they think I am being rude , but I am just taking care of myself without infringing on that person's rights. If my son is with me, I just tell him "Don't breathe" and we both hold our breaths. It really is not that hard to deal with it.

 

[CathrynRose]

I am relaxed. I'm going to give up on this subject because it is very clear that the nicotine has clearly cloged more then just your arteries.

Good - because your unwarranted personal attacks make any validity of your posts, go out the window.