Sister Wives, anyone???

[CaliforniaDreamin]

I know, right??? If she says she was wrong??? LMAO!!! Some people crack me up

 

[barkley]

Bingo. Family coverage usually doesn't have any limit or price increase regardless how many kids are on the plan. Korey could care one spouse and ALL children, or one of the working wives could cover Korey and ALL children. It just leaves 2 wives to find single coverage or receive Medicaid.

Like you said, they know how to exploit everything possible. Like the sister wife with 5 or 6 kids...she is not legally married, has no income and would therefore be eligible for welfare, foodstamps, medicaid...etc etc. That's why all these FLDS compounds are full of mansions. They get money from the government to "assist" all these unwed mothers and their "illigitimate children". They have a good thing going. I'm not saying this group is doing that, but they certainly have the legal right to do so.

looking at just what the first episode has shown us, i don't think there's any eligibilty for welfare or foodstamps-medicaid is a whole different animal b/c there are so many individual programs in different states.

for foodstamps-because the kids are all related as sibs or half sibs, they can't be separated from each other, so if one gets f/s all have to get f/s. they also can't be separated from their parents, so that means everyone gets counted, AND all their income/resources get counted. i'm guessing, right off the top that the income dad gets and the one f/t working mom gets must be a fairly decent level to support the family, then when you look at dad's little sport car and what they probably own as other cars (just to facilitate schlepping all the kids around)-probably not eligible.

as for welfare-marriage does'nt factor into the equation (any more-changed several years back) when dad and mom are in the home. dad/mom and their kids have to be income/resource eligible. with this family you also have dad's kid's by the other wives-which he can't pick and choose to exclude for aide. so again all the kids have to apply, which means their respective moms have to apply, and all their income/resources count so probably not eligible.

what will be interesting is what happens when #4 joins the group. she's got kiddos from a previous marriage. she could apply for just her kiddos/self because without a legal marriage she effectivly just a person who lives in the house (and if they set her up with a separate kitchen she could swing f/s eligibility). once they have a kid together all bets are off-then that kid ties her kids to dad and all his other kids and their moms.

the successful polygamist welfare recipients (fraudulent or not) are those that know how to house/keep their families broken into technicaly separate families.


btw-not only polyogomists do this; i only know how this works b/c of a population i worked with in california that's present where i live now as well as in several large u.s. cities. they are'nt polyogomists, but their "cultural tradition" is for their men to have a wife as well as multiple mistresses in order to facilitate large extended families. then as children are born, the adults who are very knowledgeable about welfare regulations, determine which family member/household that child should be placed in to be raised with the greatest eligibility to public assistance (literaly generations of kids who are raised believing they are living with siblings when in reality it's their cousins or some other even more distant relatedness).

 

[ElizabethB]

On the "household" point with respect to welfare, etc., since a polygamous household is not a legal household, I find it highly doubtful that one wife's income would be factored into the calculation of the welfare benefits of another wife and her children. Would a woman who's given birth out of wedlock to several of a man's children have his legal's wife's income calculated to determine the welfare benefit the woman and her illegitimate children are entitled to? I doubt it. That situation is very distinguishable from the situation were an unmarried couple with a child lives together. The law will consider that a "household." I don't think the law will consider three wives, numerous kids and one husband to be a "household" for welfare benefit purposes.

Certainly, it is my understanding that polygamous compounds in Southern Utah are highly dependent upon aid to families with dependent children, food stamps and other forms of welfare. I even recall reading that one group of plural wives in Southern Utah worked at a gas station/rest stop on one of the many lonely roads in sparsely populated Southern Utah and claimed that they got pregnant when they provided favors to lonely truckers in a back room. They filed for welfare benefits asserting that they had no idea who the fathers of their children were.

There is also a great reluctance to prosecute polygamy in Utah and Arizona. Why? Well there was a huge raid on a polygamous compound in Southern Utah in the 1950s. Dh's grandmother was a state social worker at the time. They rounded the men up and jailed them on bigamy charges. Then, according to dh's grandmother, the state, and its social services department in particular, were suddenly faced with all of these wives and children to take care of. Some men actually had been supporting their families to some extent, apparently. With the men in jail, it fell to the state to support the wives and kids. Utah decided this was a dumb way to deal with the problem and has pretty much refused to prosecute since then except where extensive fraud or serious child abuse is alleged.

 

[dodukes]

looking at just what the first episode has shown us, i don't think there's any eligibilty for welfare or foodstamps-medicaid is a whole different animal b/c there are so many individual programs in different states.

for foodstamps-because the kids are all related as sibs or half sibs, they can't be separated from each other, so if one gets f/s all have to get f/s. they also can't be separated from their parents, so that means everyone gets counted, AND all their income/resources get counted. i'm guessing, right off the top that the income dad gets and the one f/t working mom gets must be a fairly decent level to support the family, then when you look at dad's little sport car and what they probably own as other cars (just to facilitate schlepping all the kids around)-probably not eligible.

as for welfare-marriage does'nt factor into the equation (any more-changed several years back) when dad and mom are in the home. dad/mom and their kids have to be income/resource eligible. with this family you also have dad's kid's by the other wives-which he can't pick and choose to exclude for aide. so again all the kids have to apply, which means their respective moms have to apply, and all their income/resources count so probably not eligible.

what will be interesting is what happens when #4 joins the group. she's got kiddos from a previous marriage. she could apply for just her kiddos/self because without a legal marriage she effectivly just a person who lives in the house (and if they set her up with a separate kitchen she could swing f/s eligibility). once they have a kid together all bets are off-then that kid ties her kids to dad and all his other kids and their moms.

the successful polygamist welfare recipients (fraudulent or not) are those that know how to house/keep their families broken into technicaly separate families.


btw-not only polyogomists do this; i only know how this works b/c of a population i worked with in california that's present where i live now as well as in several large u.s. cities. they are'nt polyogomists, but their "cultural tradition" is for their men to have a wife as well as multiple mistresses in order to facilitate large extended families. then as children are born, the adults who are very knowledgeable about welfare regulations, determine which family member/household that child should be placed in to be raised with the greatest eligibility to public assistance (literaly generations of kids who are raised believing they are living with siblings when in reality it's their cousins or some other even more distant relatedness).

wow thats crazy!!!


anyway as to your post, I had no idea thats how most of those programs worked. So what you are saying is if they are lived in separate houses, then they may qualify but not because they live together and are related?
sorry i think i get it but maybe not.

 

[tlbwriter]

On the "household" point with respect to welfare, etc., since a polygamous household is not a legal household, I find it highly doubtful that one wife's income would be factored into the calculation of the welfare benefits of another wife and her children. Would a woman who's given birth out of wedlock to several of a man's children have his legal's wife's income calculated to determine the welfare benefit the woman and her illegitimate children are entitled to? I doubt it. That situation is very distinguishable from the situation were an unmarried couple with a child lives together. The law will consider that a "household." I don't think the law will consider three wives, numerous kids and one husband to be a "household" for welfare benefit purposes.

How does the law handle it when there are other adults living under the same roof? What if you have your parent or your older child, for example, living with you? Does their income count? Would this be handled the same way? Or would it be like a roommate, where presumably their income does not count as your income?

 

[Carly_Roach]

I must have misinterpreted it then, because it seemed to me she was calling the idea of plural marriage hypocritical because women were not allowed to have brother-husbands (LOL). I didn't read into it that she was directing the hypocrisy at one single poster. Carly, can you clear this up? My brain isn't on full function today.

You are correct. I'm not directing my comments at only one single poster but rather a mindset that many, many people everywhere, not just the DIS, subscribe to. Some choose to take exception to my posts and infer that I'm addressing them. They are mistaken, but that never really seems to stop them from doing it.

And you are right: we are all sinners. There is not one of us who is without flaw. If we were, we sure wouldn't be here on this earth. The only one who came close to being without flaw left after only being here for 33 yeas.

See post 119. She says her mother (and everyone) misses what she is telling her. I say that's because of the way she's telling her. Really, it's no big deal, and I don't think you need to keep poking me about it. You've made it clear that you disagree with me, as is your right.

You keep poking at Carly, and that's ok?

I read her post. She never said her mother was confused. She misses the idea of why Carly chooses to use that wording to describe chores (and that's what Carly wrote. She never said confused). I say her mother is capable of understanding the concept of designating chores by gender. However, maybe you know Carly's mother personally and feel I am crediting her with too much intelligence.

You keep picking apart Carly's posts, you can't really ask someone to not pick apart yours. Why, that would be...umm, what's that word that starts with an "h" but I'm not allowed to use it because I'm a Christian???
You wanna call it a draw and move on? Fine with me. If you want to keep going, that works too.

I really do appreciate your defending me, CaliforniaDreamin. And I appreciate that you get my posts: I'm not out make a personal attack on any poster. I'm just stating my opinion of the general population based on what I see. I'm glad to see that there are those out there who understand what I was trying to say.

 

[Carly_Roach]

Wow! How the heck did this thread get so off track to welfare and food stamps? From what I understand, the family in the TV show doesn't participate in that kind of thing.

 

[barkley]

On the "household" point with respect to welfare, etc., since a polygamous household is not a legal household, I find it highly doubtful that one wife's income would be factored into the calculation of the welfare benefits of another wife and her children. Would a woman who's given birth out of wedlock to several of a man's children have his legal's wife's income calculated to determine the welfare benefit the woman and her illegitimate children are entitled to? I doubt it. That situation is very distinguishable from the situation were an unmarried couple with a child lives together. The law will consider that a "household." I don't think the law will consider three wives, numerous kids and one husband to be a "household" for welfare benefit purposes.

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if that legal wife had children with the man who fathered the children with a mistress AND they all lived in the same household-absolutly her income would be considered/budgeted against any grant or foodstamps. you can't pick and choose which of your kids get welfare benefits, so he/unmarried woman would have to apply for all his kids. the legal wife can't choose to exclude herself because she is the parent to the kids she's had with him, that he has to apply for so her income will get counted.

for foodstamps, in a single home, siblings can't be separated from other sibs or half sibs or parents so dad fathering everyone links all the kids and their respective moms together.

 

[barkley]

wow thats crazy!!!


anyway as to your post, I had no idea thats how most of those programs worked. So what you are saying is if they are lived in separate houses, then they may qualify but not because they live together and are related?
sorry i think i get it but maybe not.

if they live separate (even individual cottages on the same property, or like in 'big love', single family homes that share a backyard), you look at each household (and dad would have to cop to living with one of them, or as some polyogomists do-claim to live in a separate dwelling from all the women/kids).

each household-only their income/resources counted (so unemployed mom who does all the childcare duties might qualify for herself/her kids while employed mom and her kids probably would'nt).

i had one client who facilitated this by buying a duplex-baby daddy supposedly lived on one side with "room mates" (never could prove it but we knew they were the renters), while she and the kids lived on the other. he collect general assistance (program for adults without kids in the home) and his foodstamps, she and the kids had afdc and foodstamps. by doing it this way they got a few hundred more a month in cash and almost double the foodstamps

 

[barkley]

How does the law handle it when there are other adults living under the same roof? What if you have your parent or your older child, for example, living with you? Does their income count? Would this be handled the same way? Or would it be like a roommate, where presumably their income does not count as your income?

other adults, if not the parents of the minor children (or any half siblings) living in the home would'nt have to get included for cash purposes, so their income/resources would'nt count.

if you've got an adult child in the home, they can be excluded too.

for foodstamps though-it depends. you can't separate out people who are related-so if mom's mom, or mom's adult child live in the home they have to be included (with one rare exception for certain sr citizens). if it's just say a mom, her kids sharing a place with a friend and her kids (so no mutual baby daddy in the house) then they can just claim they purchase and prepare separatly (and get their own food stamp cases which is more than a larger group gets if aided in one case).

 

[Mimi1965]

I just watched the 10 two minute clips on the TLC website and i have to say-

They are all so BORING

Really really really boring

 

[KiKi Mouse]

so he's got a baby coming any day and he is "courting" wife #4. Plus a dozen? other kids he should be spending time with. <insert eye roll here>

 

[Breezy_Carol]

Did anyone see this new article about Sister Wives family being investigated for bigamy?

 

[Mimi1965]

http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/sister-wives-tour-the-brown-family-home.html

In this clip the Dad drives up in a two seater Lexus convertible.
Sorry-if you have 4 wives and 13 kids-drive a mini van dude

 

[flamingglobessigmund]

http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/sister-wives-tour-the-brown-family-home.html

In this clip the Dad drives up in a two seater Lexus convertible.
Sorry-if you have 4 wives and 13 kids-drive a mini van dude

Ya but it's harder to troll for chicks in a mini van.

 

[KiKi Mouse]

Ya but it's harder to troll for chicks in a mini van.

he doesn't seem to be having any trouble...LOL

 

[dislal]

http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/sister-wives-tour-the-brown-family-home.html

In this clip the Dad drives up in a two seater Lexus convertible.
Sorry-if you have 4 wives and 13 kids-drive a mini van dude

Did anyone else see the two slice toaster in this clip, why wouldn't you buy a four slice one with that many people in the house.

This guy just gives me the creeps

 

[barkley]

Did anyone else see the two slice toaster in this clip, why wouldn't you buy a four slice one with that many people in the house.

This guy just gives me the creeps

because the one wife has a toaster phobia-she can cite how many people are killed annualy due to toaster vs. sharks. she does her toast in the oven and fills the house with smoke instead

 

[disney_mommy]

http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/sister-wives-tour-the-brown-family-home.html

In this clip the Dad drives up in a two seater Lexus convertible.
Sorry-if you have 4 wives and 13 kids-drive a mini van dude

They're not going to be able to have a car big enough for the whole family, why not get a sporty car he likes?

 

[Carly_Roach]

http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/sister-wives-tour-the-brown-family-home.html

In this clip the Dad drives up in a two seater Lexus convertible.
Sorry-if you have 4 wives and 13 kids-drive a mini van dude

They're not going to be able to have a car big enough for the whole family, why not get a sporty car he likes?

I believe the women drive large SUVs for each of their families and I'm sure Dad takes his turn driving the SUVs with the kids in them as well. Just as I'm sure Dad isn't the only one who gets to zip around in the sporty car.