Sick of it! Just announce the minimum already

[heynowirv]

This is a false equivalence on so many levels.....

How so?

 

[Sandisw]

Let’s keep the thread on topic. We are going off on a tangent.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

And then everyone has a hissy fit when they don’t make that date, why bother?

Missing the point. It a minimum - not the actual opening. As of today, we can't open until at least ___________. Or, it will take XYZ to happen and then 5 weeks for us to be ready to open. The only "hissy fits' will be the continuation of no news or false opening dates.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

I read and interview with a Disney executive yesterday that said non-park, non-resort will open first. So, expect Disney Springs to open ahead of everything else. Realistically, that's pretty easy to do because a lot of it is retail stores, which can regulate how many people are in the store at a time to maintain social distancing. The restaurants need a lot more time, especially since their staff may be enjoying making more money in unemployment due to the federal subsidy and may not want to come back.

From Disney Springs to a resort is a huge leap of complexity, orders of magnitude. While you might think "All you need is extra lysol spray...", opening a resort that's been closed in Florida's climate means a complete top-to-bottom cleaning. In addition, those resort guests need to eat, so you need to get all the resort dining open again, with all those incidental complexities. Unless you are going to strand those resort guests at the resort, you also need to open up transportation. And, who wants to go to WDW when the parks are closed? So, expect at least one park opening within days of the resorts opening. Anyone who has ever taken the back stage tour, or seen it on TV, can realize the complexity of opening a park that's been closed. And, adding new restrictions to comply with social distancing on top of that means new training for the cast members.

I don't expect an opening until August.

See and you are "just" one person not Disney senior staff.

 

[Nappy1380]

How so?

What age ranges were impacted in the last pandemic? What events were taking place in the world during the last pandemic? How to the world operate economically 100 years ago vs today? What technology was in place 100 years ago vs today?

There is your answer.

 

[Sandisw]

Missing the point. It a minimum - not the actual opening. As of today, we can't open until at least ___________. Or, it will take XYZ to happen and then 5 weeks for us to be ready to open. The onlt "hissy fits' will be the continuation of no news or false opening dates.

I think that the reason they aren’t is because they want to leave the door open to that, While frustrating, until further notice does actual give anyone a chance to decide if it’s worth the risk to hold out in case,

Right now, I have an end of June trip and won’t be canceling it until it’s announced they will be closed for sure.

People would complain if they said, We wont be opening until at least June 1st, people cancel, and then it is announced on May 15th, they can open a week earlier, It’s really a no win until they announce an official opening date

 

[heynowirv]

What age ranges were impacted in the last pandemic? What events were taking place in the world during the last pandemic? How to the world operate economically 100 years ago vs today? What technology was in place 100 years ago vs today?

There is your answer.

Ok I'm not part of this conversation nor do I plan to join in. There are too many emotions involved.

 

[Madame]

The first implication was from you. I stated that what you posted, a mortality chart, was a false equivalence to this current pandemic, which using Google is easy to see. You responded with condescending BS about learning from past pandemics, which wasn't even debated or on topic.

You introduced you were a teacher and made a snide remark to follow about how we should just eliminate that part of history from your teaching. If you want to be a smarta**, expected reponses in kind. I implied that you specifically, as a history teacher, should stick to history when trying to talk down to someone.

You are literally arguing against yourself and the chart you posted. We DID learn from the past, which, among other scenarios when the pandemics broke out, is exactly why a mortality rate chart from a pandemic 100 years ago and using that for morbidity comparisons to the current pandemic is in fact....... a false equivalence.

1. Stop trying to get around the filter with ***. You get points for swearing or subverting the filter.

2. Use of an ellipsis is snarky in both of the languages I speak, and many more I suppose. You commented on my post with a snidely implied elliptical phrase. I responded in kind...... (see how that works?

3. Apparently the rest of the US did not get the memo about learning from the past.
Good day to you

 

[thanxfornoticin]

I'd like to offer a slightly different view of the OPs question - why no announcements? Instead of continuing to argue about things we don't know and can only guess about - why isn't there more conversation out on the site today about the one thing Disney has actually made an OFFICIAL announcement about?

I thought it would be a really big deal today that Disney announced Shanghai Disneyland will be opening in a very restricted capacity on May 11. To me, that was huge news and a potential indicator. If you go back in time with China getting hit first, Shanghai Disneyland closed in January due to the virus, 2 months before the US parks. In late March, Shanghai Disneyland opened their resort and the small shopping/eating park outside of their Disneyland theme park to limited guests. Now they are opening the actual park approximately 2 months later.

I have to think Disney execs will be watching the opening at Shanghai Disneyland with tremendous interest. With significant capacity restrictions, socially distanced queues, what amounts to a virtual queue reservation system just to enter the park, mask requirements, sanitation requirements etc - it will be important to see how successful they are at that park. Then, if they are successful, I'm thinking that could be a blueprint for how they might look to open the US parks - perhaps resort-only stays for a bit, and then very restricted capacity for the parks with many protections in place (masks, distancing, constant sanitizing, mobile ordering for food, etc).

We've been a couple months behind Asia with this virus. Perhaps (just perhaps), we're a couple months behind them with our Disney experiences, too. If that turns out to be the case, seems like June/July to get people back at the resort might be a possibility.

 

[Tjddis]

Madame you can’t win here. The ignore button is a wonderful option as I have learned. Thank you for your perspective and your service as a teacher. Some of us can appreciate different points of view

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

I have a document for the agency that I am working with that spells out the amount of time that must be sent to different bargaining units for different issues. We have to give some employees 3 weeks notice before they are expected back at work. So I know that because we haven't drafted (or sent) any such notices, a May opening is out of the question. We also need another agency's expertise to assist us with another facet. They are not available to begin consulting for 2-3 weeks and then there will be tasks and action items afterward - so again I know May is out and likely the first 2 weeks of June. Plexiglass is on back order and then needs installation...and so on Trust me our scope and scale is nothing compared to Disney. We have a minimum following our critical path and so does Disney and like, us, theirs extends everyday dependent upon the decisions regarding health and welfare but there is in fact at any moment a minimum we/they cannot be open.

I think those holding May, June, July and August reservations deserve to know what that is.

 

[Tjddis]

I'd like to offer a slightly different view of the OPs question - why no announcements? Instead of continuing to argue about things we don't know and can only guess about - why isn't there more conversation out on the site today about the one thing Disney has actually made an OFFICIAL announcement about?

I thought it would be a really big deal today that Disney announced Shanghai Disneyland will be opening in a very restricted capacity on May 11. To me, that was huge news and a potential indicator. If you go back in time with China getting hit first, Shanghai Disneyland closed in January due to the virus, 2 months before the US parks. In late March, Shanghai Disneyland opened their resort and the small shopping/eating park outside of their Disneyland theme park to limited guests. Now they are opening the actual park approximately 2 months later.

I have to think Disney execs will be watching the opening at Shanghai Disneyland with tremendous interest. With significant capacity restrictions, socially distanced queues, what amounts to a virtual queue reservation system just to enter the park, mask requirements, sanitation requirements etc - it will be important to see how successful they are at that park. Then, if they are successful, I'm thinking that could be a blueprint for how they might look to open the US parks - perhaps resort-only stays for a bit, and then very restricted capacity for the parks with many protections in place (masks, distancing, constant sanitizing, mobile ordering for food, etc).

We've been a couple months behind Asia with this virus. Perhaps (just perhaps), we're a couple months behind them with our Disney experiences, too. If that turns out to be the case, seems like June/July to get people back at the resort might be a possibility.

I think people (myself included) are not sure how shanghai translates here. Personally I have no idea how big the park is, or any other aspects that I can compare. Some have come out and said outright that the 2 can’t be compared for various reasons. Plus I think some people are outright hoping it won’t be a blueprint as they really hate the idea of masks...

 

[Splashboat]

My daughter has a trip booked at the beginning of June (Less then a month away. Cash, not on points).
She cancelled her April trip prior to Disney announcing April closure. She rebooked for June and because of the tier ticket changed from her current dates in April (bought through UT) she had to pay Disney $60 per ticket for the change.
At this point she would like to just cancel and wait to see when a better time to go will be but because they haven't announced closure, she does not want to get stuck again paying for a park ticket date change.

 

[thanxfornoticin]

I think people (myself included) are not sure how shanghai translates here. Personally I have no idea how big the park is, or any other aspects that I can compare. Some have come out and said outright that the 2 can’t be compared for various reasons. Plus I think some people are outright hoping it won’t be a blueprint as they really hate the idea of masks...

Shanghai Disneyland is the approximate size of the Magic Kingdom. Similar attractions, similar crowds. And I could easily see similar restrictions. I think it's a very simple comparison - and the only thing of Disney's making a step forward at this time.

To me, masks are very low on the list of things to worry about. Masks are already commonplace for things like stores and work and public transportation. If, in the short-term, I needed to wear a mask to perhaps enjoy some restricted Disney time, that's not a problem or a deterrent. Others might choose to wait until masks are no longer required before heading back, and that works, too. The time will come again at some point where we'll get to enjoy the US Disney parks in the same way we were up until Feb of this year - full capacity, no masks, elbow to elbow at the F&W festival. I'll look forward to it - eventually.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

Shanghai Disneyland is the approximate size of the Magic Kingdom. Similar attractions, similar crowds. And I could easily see similar restrictions. I think it's a very simple comparison - and the only thing of Disney's making a step forward at this time.

To me, masks are very low on the list of things to worry about. Masks are already commonplace for things like stores and work and public transportation. If, in the short-term, I needed to wear a mask to perhaps enjoy some restricted Disney time, that's not a problem or a deterrent. Others might choose to wait until masks are no longer required before heading back, and that works, too. The time will come again at some point where we'll get to enjoy the US Disney parks in the same way we were up until Feb of this year - full capacity, no masks, elbow to elbow at the F&W festival. I'll look forward to it - eventually.

I agree. As a DVC member that plans to be back and back again one year of a lesser experience won't be an issue. If I was doing a once a decade trip I might postpone. Masks I used to be against, but if that's what it takes to get back to normal I am fine with mandated mask wearing. Supposedly if everyone is wearing a mask the spread of the 'rona will be reduced substantially into the low percentages.

 

[ColonialMouse]

I think those holding May, June, July and August reservations deserve to know what that is.

Would be interesting to know. I'm sure some people will be unhappy regardless of the answer.

I'm holding a reservation for June 7, so trying to decide what to do with it today. Would love to go, and have put some time into piecing together ADRs and FPs (what I could get) and would hate to lose them. But oh well. My bigger concern is that on May 16 DVC announces the resorts open June 1 but without the parks. If, because DVC is open, now my points go into holding, that's a problem. I don't want a 10 day vacation with the parks and most other things we would visit closed.

Regardless of when it happens, someone will be in that situation. IMHO it would be nice if we got a notice that holding rules will go back into effect 30 days from X date. i.e. make that announcement on May 15 that the resorts will open June 1 but that holding rules are waived for reservations starting June 1-16.

Personally I'm really torn on whether I would want the points (quite a few borrowed) returned to next UY (which would effectively cancel a trip this summer but at least I can hope to use them next year) or would just like to walk the vacation to July in hopes the parks will be open in some form.

Bruce

 

[heynowirv]

I think people (myself included) are not sure how shanghai translates here. Personally I have no idea how big the park is, or any other aspects that I can compare. Some have come out and said outright that the 2 can’t be compared for various reasons. Plus I think some people are outright hoping it won’t be a blueprint as they really hate the idea of masks...

the park hold 80,000 they are only allowed 24,000 people in the park

 

[Chris Ehlers]

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January 2006 model???????

 

[Madame]

January 2006 model???????

Yeah. It’s a model of a pandemic which occurred 100 yrs ago. The model was made in 2006. I’m sure the “you are here” was added recently. I give up. People see what they want to see.

 

[Dean Marino]

I attended the quarterly earnings call today and have read local and state reports. The Walt Disney Company is closely monitoring the reopening of several states with the aim of observing potential coronavirus case spikes. If the Parks & Resorts division was to open, for example, and cases spiked in states that have reopened, like Tennessee and Texas, then Walt Disney World may have to close again. TWDC does not want to be in a position of reopening and closing because, from a public relations standpoint, it would appear as premature and reactive. Moreover, Bob Chapek stated on today's call that Disney Cruise Line would be the last to come online.

This week, Thomas Mazloum, Senior Vice President of Walt Disney World Resorts and Transportation Operations, stated that although reservations were being accepted for June 1st, Walt Disney World may not open on June 1st.

Enough has been shared by Chapek and Mazloum to suggest that domestic parks may not reopen in June. Moreover, insiders continue to share post July 4th openings.

Based on the narratives shared on this site alone, there is clearly pent-up demand for the reopening of Walt Disney World. However, TWDC is cautious and will only reopen when it is prudent, both fiscally and with regard to guest wellness.

Well, this presents a problem.... He probably should not have said that, in a semi-open forum.

"Thomas Mazloum, Senior Vice President of Walt Disney World Resorts and Transportation Operations, stated that although reservations were being accepted for June 1st, Walt Disney World may not open on June 1st."

You see, later, this could be used in a FRAUD lawsuit - accepting any money for a product that one knows can not be delivered . This is a good time to let the WDW LAWYERS speak - with everyone else silent .