Sick of it! Just announce the minimum already

[Nappy1380]

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This is a false equivalence on so many levels.....

 

[DebbieB]

Consider the minimum perpetually 6 days from now until they announce a date. That’s how much notice they gave for Shanghai.

Their Downtown Disney, garden park and Hotel have been open since March 9th. So it wasn't out of the blue. We have nothing. I have a reservation for 5/31 - 6/6, need to know if there is any possibility.

 

[DebbieB]

If it wasn't until August, they would not have put anything out about April/June points. They would have waited. Also, they offered all those people free dining for vacations June 1st-September 30.....they would not have done that if they even had a thought they might not be open.

They made the free dining offer at the time they closed in March so that people would transfer their money to a new reservation rather than them having to refund it. Maybe in March June seemed a possibility. My company announced work at home for 2 weeks on March 16. We are now in week 8 at home. I don't think anyone expected it to go on this long.

Regarding DVC, members wanted an answer so that they could reschedule their trips, they were getting a lot of grief for the silence. At the time they made the announcement, April and June were the only months past the banking deadline. They put wording for future months in the FAQ, basically saying if your stay was cancelled due to closure after your banking deadline, same rules apply.

 

[Disneytrippin']

Well, sooner or later we are just going to have to live with the virus. Mission accomplished on lessening the burden on hospitals. We were ill prepared for the first round. At least now people know the risk and can decide whether or not to travel and vacation. Those with pre existing conditions and at risk are going to stay home or take their chances. I had an elderly customer who said she would rather die than be locked inside. That's not living.

 

[Madame]

This is a false equivalence on so many levels.....

Ok . I’ll just remove this event when I teach 20th century history cause it’s obviously got nothing to teach us

 

[Heather07438]

Well I can definitely give you a minimum.

It will be at least one more day.
Check back tomorrow and I will update.

How's tomorrow lookin'?

 

[lawboy2001]

Ok . I’ll just remove this event when I teach 20th century history cause it’s obviously got nothing to teach us

Why is the "you are here" arrow in your graphic pointed to approx week 2 of the 1918 pandemic? Aren't we are currently in about week 16 of our pandemic? Shouldn't the "you are here" arrow be pointed to the top of the second big peak?

 

[Heather07438]

Mission accomplished on lessening the burden on hospitals

It's accomplished... for now as part of the first step.
With at least 80% of the US pop still novel and some areas <5%
the threat still looms. Depends how we play our cards as we open back up.
eta- We're definitely better prepared.

 

[Madame]

Why is the "you are here" arrow in your graphic pointed to approx week 2 of the 1918 pandemic? Aren't we are currently in about week 16 of our pandemic? Shouldn't the "you are here" arrow be pointed to the top of the second big peak?

No. We are cresting the first wave. Don’t think viruses follow any set rules on time. & this one has mutated several times.

 

[;-)]

But they HAVE...you can book a trip beginning June 1st. That tells me that is the date they are aiming for.
You’re welcome!

 

[Tjddis]

Well, sooner or later we are just going to have to live with the virus. Mission accomplished on lessening the burden on hospitals. We were ill prepared for the first round. At least now people know the risk and can decide whether or not to travel and vacation. Those with pre existing conditions and at risk are going to stay home or take their chances. I had an elderly customer who said she would rather die than be locked inside. That's not living.

Well to each their own but the way I see it dying is dying. As for the whole I’m not at risk thing so I’m ok it makes me wince a little. First off I don’t know if you know anyone who has had this but it can be brutal even if you don’t wind up hospitalized. And there are no real answers as to what effects it can have on you in the future. What the lasting effect it has on your lungs and what you may be succeptible in the future. Second the asymptomatic transmission combined with the fatality rate makes it a little scarier. Jazz they can’t even tell us if having it makes us immune in the future. So all this considered I would really rather not get it or have anyone I love get it. That said if it’s my choice to remain on the down low so be it. That is what is going to play out in this country. I’m just not sure that opening things quickly is the right answer. Polling suggests that 2/3 the country isn’t comfortable getting out there right now. I fear the economy won’t rebound quickly due to this. And if there is a rebound in the places opening back up that is going to be an even bigger fear trigger and disaster. So I guess I’m more conservative. These days I’m also thinking a lot about the greatest generation. They made tremendous sacrifices to ensure the freedoms we all enjoy and I’m sure are a little dumbfounded that Americans have such a problem being asked to stay in the house. I am not downplaying the economic need of people to get out and work. I’m speaking more of those who want to go on leisure activities. I will be watching the re open states closely.

 

[justadreamaway77]

Ok . I’ll just remove this event when I teach 20th century history cause it’s obviously got nothing to teach us

Nobody said you can't look back and learn from it, they were simply saying you actually can't compare the two because 100 years of science is very different. Back then the average person had education through grade school. The average person had no knowledge of viruses/bacteria/etc. Heck, viruses weren't even discovered until the late 1800's! There were not everyday items like hand sanitizer and clorox wipes either.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

Ok . I’ll just remove this event when I teach 20th century history cause it’s obviously got nothing to teach us

How about you mention that big spike in the middle is when all the soldiers returned home from world war I and spread the virus with their travels.

 

[Madame]

Nobody said you can't look back and learn from it, they were simply saying you actually can't compare the two because 100 years of science is very different. Back then the average person had education through grade school. The average person had no knowledge of viruses/bacteria/etc. Heck, viruses weren't even discovered until the late 1800's! There were not everyday items like hand sanitizer and clorox wipes either.

Sure but people are still people. They’re reacting the same way. And on the flip side of our wonderful tech developments which aid us in combating a pandemic we also have:

- a massively larger population on an overcrowded planet (ie not enough resources)

- travel the likes of which did not exist 100 years ago spreading the virus more proficiently

- no dormant periods for the human species (ie 100 years ago the majority were farmers following a seasonal pattern of frenetic activity followed by a « dead season » which kept populations busy and isolated

- etc etc

 

[Madame]

How about you mention that big spike in the middle is when all the soldiers returned home from world war I and spread the virus with their travels.

Sure, but it’ll be the same difference if we all start traveling again That is quite literally the point.

 

[Nappy1380]

Ok . I’ll just remove this event when I teach 20th century history cause it’s obviously got nothing to teach us

Please, tell me more about how a death rate chart about a pandemic that took place during war time, had a morbidity concentration that was vastly different and had no modern medical intervention strategy correlates to the current pandemic. I'm DYING to know what a history teach can tell me from a statistical comparison standpoint and how that correlates to current modeling for this pandemic.

 

[Madame]

Please, tell me more about how a death rate chart about a pandemic that took place during war time, had a morbidity concentration that was vastly different and had no modern medical intervention strategy correlates to the current pandemic. I'm DYING to know what a history teach can tell me from a statistical comparison standpoint and how that correlates to current modeling for this pandemic.

See what I posted above. I also follow information from leading virologists and trust their science. But thanks for implying that all teachers are too stupid to be able to have an informed opinion. I always source my work. But sure. Nothing to learn from history. Nothing valuable there. Gotcha

 

[Tjddis]

Everybody has an opinion on this situation and some people have tremendous emotions regarding what is going on. It’s totally understandable if you have a business or job that you are watching go down that you would be emotionally invested. Ditto if the virus has touched you personally. It’s going to get to you. Neither side is “wrong”. Both sides are going to cite stats and numbers that support their point of view. Personally I just want to focus on the actual numbers from now. Specifically rate of infection and hospitalization. Going down in NY, looks like it may be going up in certain places across the country. I will make decisions for my family and I on what risks we will or won’t take based on this. I think it’s a little too soon to ease up on restrictions. But I’ve given up trying to make anyone who disagrees come to the same opinion

 

[jlb727]

We are a society that is so saturated in information, that NOT having reliable information immediately available at our fingertips is really hard on people, whether that's the effects of this virus or when Disney is going to open. To me, learning to live with uncertainty and a seeming lack of solid information has been one of the hardest aspects of this whole thing. I wish I knew how this virus would affect me if/when I caught it. I wish I knew when the parks would open. I wish I knew how safe it would be to take our June trip (rescheduled from March). I wish I knew when this will be all over.

 

[Nappy1380]

See what I posted above. I also follow information from leading virologists and trust their science. But thanks for implying that all teachers are too stupid to be able to have an informed opinion. I always source my work. But sure. Nothing to learn from history. Nothing valuable there. Gotcha

The first implication was from you. I stated that what you posted, a mortality chart, was a false equivalence to this current pandemic, which using Google is easy to see. You responded with condescending BS about learning from past pandemics, which wasn't even debated or on topic.

You introduced you were a teacher and made a snide remark to follow about how we should just eliminate that part of history from your teaching. If you want to be a smarta**, expected reponses in kind. I implied that you specifically, as a history teacher, should stick to history when trying to talk down to someone.

You are literally arguing against yourself and the chart you posted. We DID learn from the past, which, among other scenarios when the pandemics broke out, is exactly why a mortality rate chart from a pandemic 100 years ago and using that for morbidity comparisons to the current pandemic is in fact....... a false equivalence.