Show me "The Magic, the Memories, and You"

Experiment_626

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So, I'm going down to WDW next week for four or five days. I have thought about trying to shoot some stills of the castle during "The Magic, the Memories, and You," but I'm uncertain how to tackle it. Has anyone else here tried and gotten good results they'd be willing to show? If so, I'd be especially interested in the settings you used.

Looks like I'll have a couple of new lenses for the trip -- a 35mm f/1.8 and a 17-50mm f/2.8 (B&H confirmed they've shipped today, so I expect to have them in hand by Monday). I almost certainly won't have my D7000 in my hands by then (what a fiasco that has been -- see below). If I did, I'd probably consider shooting video of the show instead. But it looks like I'll be wielding only the D300 again, not that I'm complaining about that.

So, the aforementioned fiasco -- after much foot-dragging, the department finally laid out to me exactly what I'd been approved to buy and what I hadn't. Turns out it was still less than I'd requested, but more than I'd initially been told. But I'd found the refurbished camera body in stock at RitzCamera.com. I was told everything was a go -- and then TPTB higher up the chain asked for justification for the purchase. The items being bought in this round are from the university's research budget, and so if an item isn't a test-tube, more or less, they're yelping about it. Took another few days to get them to approve it finally, and the purchase order was issued. Of course, the camera was out of stock again, but at least I'd be the queue, right?

But wait, there's more ...

In speaking with the person in my department who does ordering, she had told me that Ritz Camera was already in the system as a company for whom we can send purchase orders. Cool, I thought. Fewer delays (ha!). As it happens, she made a passing remark yesterday that lead me to discover that the purchase order was issued for one of the local Ritz Camera stores -- that is what was "in the system." I brought to her attention that Ritz Camera.com and the brick-and-mortar stores are separate companies -- and the local stores have been gone out of business here for at least a couple of years! The purchase order might as well have been issued to the Twilight Zone -- if a camera does show up from this, it might be possessed or some such.

So now, again, I have to keep pestering people about getting this straightened-out and ordered from the right place. Of course, no one else here cares about nearly as much as I do, so if I don't keep being a squeaky wheel, there's no telling when the camera will show up. And next week I'll have a remote release and a spare battery (from B&H) for a camera I don't have!

Oh well ... I shall not be defeated!

Sorry for the long-winded aside, but perhaps someone might enjoy the story in a perverse way!

SSB
 
I don't know if this is what you are looking for but here is a random shot I took.
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All of these are good, but I especially like this one. Is that from the July 4-themed show? Don't recall seeing it in the show myself, but I haven't been when they've altered the show for a special occasion.

And wow ... shooting the show seems a bit more difficult than I would have expected, what with having to push the ISO so high. I expect getting much slower than a 25th of a second would invite problems with motion blur ... I recall that back in the olden days (of interlaced standard definition televisions), those photographing a TV screen were advised to keep shutter speeds no slower than an eighth of a second to avoid capturing the screen redraw. I can shoot at ISO 3200, though I'd certainly prefer to back it down a stop or even a bit more. And my fastest lenses are f/1.8. I think I can make it work.

SSB
 
Is that from the July 4-themed show?

No sir. Both pictures were taken last year during the last (12/18) Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party.

I could probably have shot a bit faster and used f2.8 but I'm paranoid about losing sharpness because of shallow depth of field so I went with f4.

I've since wondered whether using ISO1600 and adjusting the exposure in post might have worked better (I shoot in RAW).
 
I guess I should have been more specific. Is it 1/25 on the Tv?

I actually shot it in Manual with a .25 second (1/4) exposure.

Note :

1/25 = .04 second = one twenty-fifth of a second (25*.04 = 1)

1/50 = .02 second = one fiftieth of a a second (50*.02 = 1)

etc
 
I actually shot it in Manual with a .25 second (1/4) exposure.

Note :

1/25 = .04 second = one twenty-fifth of a second (25*.04 = 1)

1/50 = .02 second = one fiftieth of a a second (50*.02 = 1)

etc

Thank you! I just went duh! It makes perfect sense and to think I consider myself a math guy.
 
A similar request thread was floating around here about 6 months ago and I had posted to that - so I just went back and copied my post and pasted it here, to save having to relink the photos! Here was that original post:

I've only done the 'original' version, for the first time in July...as far as spots to shoot from, I found directly in front of the castle, just in front of the Partners statue, to be excellent. I was there on a not terribly crowded night, and for the late showing, so I walked up with 5 minutes to go before the show, and was front-and-center with no heads in front of me.

There are two ways you can shoot it - though I recommend method 2. Method 1 would be all handheld, cranking up the ISO - you'd likely need ISo1600 with a decently fast lens like F2 or so. Method 2 is to use a moderately fast shutter speed, but on a tripod - this will let you bring the ISo down a bit, close the aperture a bit, and you generally want shutter speeds of 1/2 to 5 seconds, which is just about the right length to capture the transitions, but slow enough to pull in nice, richer colors and less noise.

I shot it with a slowish kit lens (F3.5) - I chose ISO800 and Aperture Priority at F5, which usually gave me a nice 1/2 second to 1 second shutter speed, btu allowed for a longer exposure if one of the scenes happened to be a bit darker - some went as long as 5 seconds. Tripod mounted throughout, and remote shutter release would be best if you have one (though you can get by without too). Then, it's just a matter of hitting the shutter with each transition of the light show, take your exposure, and hit the shutter again at the next scene. Here's a bunch of the lightshow sequence taken this way:

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Listen to Justin, he's smart.

I shot it hand-held a couple weeks ago (didn't want to lug the tripod). And with the wrong lens to boot, so didn't get the whole castle in the frame. (Long story.)

That said, here's how that turned out...

3200 ISO, ss 1/80 second, and I was in shutter-priority so the aperture varied...



20120128-DSC_8929 by nicole_lynn_, on Flickr


20120128-DSC_8940 by nicole_lynn_, on Flickr


20120128-DSC_8955 by nicole_lynn_, on Flickr

We were smack dab in front of the castle, and that's with a 50mm lens (not what I'd recommend!).

Would have been better to back up, use a wider angle, go manual, and put it on the tripod. So if you're willing to lug the tripod... do it.
 
I am going to break all the rules here. Actually, I was setting up for Wishes trying to get some decent firework pictures. These won't be ideal camera settings for "The Magic, the Memories, and You" however, this would be another location idea.

I was just outside the hub, farthest from the castle and setup on Main Street at the first lamp post. My tripod can go pretty high so I put it near the lamp post since that is already impeding a view and I didn't want to be inconsiderate of others' view.

Don't pay to close attention to the settings but I'm posting them anyway for those who are curious. I used a D7000 with the 16-85mm lens and a remote. The lens was at 16mm but these photos were heavily cropped. It looks like from this distance your 35mm f/1.8 would be nice option. Manual mode with the aperture at f/10 and ISO 100 (not ideal, again I was setup for fireworks). I also set the shutter speed to Bulb. In case you don't know, the Bulb setting keeps your shutter open for as long as you hold the button. The way the "Bulb with remote" works on a D7000 is that you press and release the remote once to open the shutter, wait for your determined exposure time, then press and release once more and it closes the shutter. These long exposure times will blur the pictures projected on the castle as they change faster than the 8-ish seconds I was using.

12.2 seconds, f/10, ISO 100, 16mm (cropped)
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7 seconds, f/10, ISO 100, 16mm (cropped)
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7.7 seconds, f/10, ISO 100, 16mm (cropped)
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8.5 seconds, f/10, ISO 100, 16mm (cropped)
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8.3 seconds, f/10, ISO 100, 16mm (cropped)
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8.3 seconds, f/10, ISO 100, 16mm (cropped)
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And this is for reference on how it looks from the location at 16mm, not cropped.
11 seconds, f/10, ISO 100, 16mm
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Okay, these last three are pretty much what I'm looking for. I presumed a tripod, and planned to use one myself. Justin, I really like your results -- that's the sort of thing I was thinking of trying. I usually don't attempt to get such a close vantage point on the castle, but that's usually because I want to shoot Wishes and that isn't the greatest viewpoint for that. What focal length did you use?

Pixel Dust, yours turned out pretty darn good as well. I had just been thinking about the possibility of shooting from one spot to catch the show and then transition to shooting Wishes and then blending the results in post-production. I notice Disney has been doing that with video in a recent TV commercial or two.

SSB
 
Thank you. I agree in general for Wishes not to be so close, but I pretty much seperated these two in my mind - I wanted to catch this show exclusively so didn't even shoot Wishes on that trip, so no regrets on getting in close. I was on a 1-day trip through Disney that day for a business trip in Tampa the following day, so I was traveling light with only my NEX mirrorless and 18-55mm kit lens. I was at 21mm for these shots, as it nicely filled the frame but still left a little sky around the castle. My NEX is an APS-C sensor, so typical 1.5x crop factor.
 
Sounds good! We just booked our vacation home for the trip today, so I'm officially in "excited and antsy" mode. This is going to be a week-long trip, which might actually be my longest visit ever -- we usually go for four days or so, several times a year. We'll be taking my wife's mother along this time, and she's been to Disneyland many times but never to WDW. She will have a four-day military ticket. We have annual passes, which means there will be at least a couple of photography-centric days in the parks for me -- especially February 29. As well, we've never stayed at a vacation home before this trip, so we're really looking forward to the experience!

SSB
 
Wow. I hate to say it RDUNative, but that shot is just about as good as any posted!

Wanna buy a 60D? :rotfl2:
 


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