Shoulder pushing? Weird post...

[disneyjunkie]

Rubato I see that you edited your post. Based on what you first posted, you bumped the girl as hard as you could and it was done on purpose. Maybe the girl was rude, but your actions crossed the line.

 

[Cat0727]

Add me to the crowd that gets sick of yielding. I used to play chicken on the streets of Chicago all the time because it irritated me how people (especially, in my experience, men) just expected you to get out of their way, even though they're on your side of the walk.

They always look so surprised when you don't move, and shocked when you collide with them. I'm a sturdy woman--I can take a hit. Some days I'd rather crash than let someone be obnoxious.

I can't recall any incidents in Disney maybe because I am used to crowds and yielding to others all the time. Although I have collided with people here in NY a couple of times because the rudeness of some people is just abysmal and sure is annoying.

 

[labattblue]

I will add this one more thing. I don't care if it is at WDW or anywhere else, if you are texting or reading emails on your blackberry while walking...then you are fair game to get steamrolled.

So if I am walking at the same pace as everyone else on a path, but I am texting or looking at my phone for some other reason, you are going to "steamroll" me, but not the people who are walking at the same pace, but not using their phones?


Sounds reasonable to me. NOT.

 

[mom2rtk]

So if I am walking at the same pace as everyone else on a path, but I am texting or looking at my phone for some other reason, you are going to "steamroll" me, but not the people who are walking at the same pace, but not using their phones?


Sounds reasonable to me. NOT.

They said texting or reading..... which implies looking down. Anyone looking down while walking forward shouldn't be surprised if someone bumps into them!

 

[TangaroaTiki]

It sounds to me like a lot of people on here are mistaking obliviousness for rudeness.

I doubt this teenage girl was trying to knock you off the path. She was just preoccupied by everything to see around her, or maybe trying to hear something someone in her family was saying, or trying to keep up with them.

Yes, we've all been annoyed many times by people who don't seem to notice that they are not the only people on the planet. But it happens everywhere - on the freeway, in school, at the mall. It's not a purposeful attack against your personal space, it's just that people don't always pay attention. Haven't you ever been distracted?

I think we all have every right to use our voices to get the attention of those who aren't paying attention, and to ask them to share the walkway, or be careful, or stop bumping into us. Most people will apologize if called on thoughtless behavior. Some won't. But at least give them that chance before you hip check them to the ground. Geez.

My thoughts exactly

I have read on here how rude it is to do this or that, and realize I'm guilty of it. I've stopped suddenly to look at a map, something pretty, or changed my mind about where I want to go. It is sure to happen again in future trips - like this May! Oh well, I'm not intending to be rude at all.

 

[mcd2745]

So if I am walking at the same pace as everyone else on a path, but I am texting or looking at my phone for some other reason, you are going to "steamroll" me, but not the people who are walking at the same pace, but not using their phones?


Sounds reasonable to me. NOT.

If you're looking down and paying no attention to where you are going or what's in front of you, acting like your the only person in the world despite being surrounded by tons of people...I'm not going to just move out of your way for you. I'm going to go through you. If you need to look at your phone or send a text...pull over and get out of the way.

The person who is looking where they are going and paying attention will move some, and I'll move some and everyone is happy.


I'm sure most have seen that video that has been all over the news lately of the woman at the mall who walked right into a fountain and fell in face-first because she was texting. She got what she deserved just like someone who walks in a crowd doing the same thing and gets a stiff shoulder-block.

 

[shalom]

It sounds to me like a lot of people on here are mistaking obliviousness for rudeness.

Yah. Not to say there aren't rude people who expect you to move out of their way because they think they're more important than you, because there are. But there are also people like my hubby, who will stop dead in the middle of a crowd flowing up a staircase because he realizes too late that's not the way he wants to go. When we're vacationing, I am constantly dragging him out of the middle of a walkway because he's stopped to admire something or check the map or whatever.

He's on the spectrum, and when he gets focused he tunes people out. Not usually to the point of mowing them over, but definitely to the point of not considering how his actions might impact them. He lets me pull him out of the way, because he recognizes his response is in the minority, but really he thinks that people should go around him, just as he would go around someone else who is standing still.

As with the Koreans swerving left while American swerve right, that's a matter of cultural preferences, not a matter of right or wrong.

 

[mcd2745]

It sounds to me like a lot of people on here are mistaking obliviousness for rudeness.

While I agree there is a difference, both are inexcusable. I'm probably in the minority on this, but I consider the obliviousness the worse of the two.

 

[stepdisney]

We were leaving MK after wishes (we ALL know how that is) and holding my DS's hand (7 at the time). A woman and her daughter decide to turn around and face the castle in the middle of the street and STOP. Now it was very crowded, people streaming to the exit, moms and dads holding on to their children and she stopped in front of me and would not budge. I couldn't get around them because of the crowd. I was so close to her that I could smell what she ate for dinner. I kindly told her that I was not letting go of my son's hand in this crowd and the just looked at me. She wanted me to drop his hand and for us to split apart and go around her. I pushed through she and her daughter (a teenager). Common sense is not so common. Get over to the side and stop if you want to stay until afterward and please be mindful of everyone's situation, especially when children are involved and it is crowded.

 

[robinb]

Here is what happened - and it ws def. 50% my fault, but still. It was so crowded, it was hard to walk directly to or around anything. Most of the time, if I accidentally, and mutually, stepped right in front of someone, we acknowledged each other and moved around each other. I probably ended up in people's path accidentally bcs I was literally so happy to be there I was looking at all the great decorations, etc.

A few times, however, I saw a person look at me, look down to avoid eye contact, and put their head down and shove their shoulder, one shoulder leaning forward right into me. it was so weird bcs I was almost always bigger than these women. (It was all women and I am a woman...)

I need to ask a question so it's clear. When you cut these other people off, did you say you were sorry? I can navigate a WDW Christmas crowd with the best of them and when (not if, but when in a big crowd like that) I cut someone off I say something. "Excuse me!" or "Sorry!" or "Opps! Sorry!" if I step on someone's foot accidentally. I just don't *look* at them but I smile and say something too. Perhaps you cut someone off and they decided to bull their way back past you. That's not very polite, but neither is cutting someone off and not saying something.

 

[goofy4prez]

I would never teach my children to push with shoulders, that could really hurt someone, but we do the "butt thrust" in large crowds.

To keep your personal space, firmly plant feet into the ground and push your butt out while curving your back. Now, we do this hopefully when no one is extremely close from the behind, but it does keep your personal space open especially when you are short like we are in my family.

The shoulder thing, is plain rude and dangerous!! (we also do the butt thrust if we want to stay together in a crowd)

If it were a nice "butt" that was thrusting against me I might actually enjoy that and "butt" thrust back.

 

[flamingglobessigmund]

If I see a collision about to happen, I just stop! They can walk into me or around me.
I too got to the point where I got sick of zig zagging all over the place to avoid people who seemed to be making a beeline towards me

That's what I did too, but it was after I had emptied half of an English Rose. I saw this group coming and I just froze. They went around me.

 

[rubato]

Rubato I see that you edited your post. Based on what you first posted, you bumped the girl as hard as you could and it was done on purpose. Maybe the girl was rude, but your actions crossed the line.

Yes, because of your response, I went back and looked at my post and realized I had written it wrong. I didn't go out of my way to slam in to her, I just knew we were going to hit if I didn't move, so I braced for it. I completely disagree with your resonse, but you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

 

[midnightlouise]

My poor son (10) is the king of oblivion. (He has the inattentive form of ADD. Not an excuse, just part of the reason...) He is constantly becoming lost in thought and drifting off into the path of oncoming people...he and I are forever apologizing for getting in the way...him with his head in the clouds and me with my snatching him from the jaws of death. (So DISers going in early December, I will apologize in advance...!!)

I'm sure it's annoying for people, but I would much rather have someone like my son, oblivious but apologetic, walk into me than someone who had a chip on their shoulder. Sure, I still get plowed into either way, but attitude has A LOT to do with it as far as I'm concerned.

OP, I can see why you would be upset. That seems very deliberate to me.

 

[labattblue]

If you're looking down and paying no attention to where you are going or what's in front of you, acting like your the only person in the world despite being surrounded by tons of people...I'm not going to just move out of your way for you. I'm going to go through you. If you need to look at your phone or send a text...pull over and get out of the way.

The person who is looking where they are going and paying attention will move some, and I'll move some and everyone is happy.


I'm sure most have seen that video that has been all over the news lately of the woman at the mall who walked right into a fountain and fell in face-first because she was texting. She got what she deserved just like someone who walks in a crowd doing the same thing and gets a stiff shoulder-block.

Who said you need to move out of the way for me? All you said was that if see you someone texting, you are going to "steamroll" them. Did it ever dawn on you that some people can text and also pay attention to where they are going or do you just want to lump everyone together because you don't like that they are texting and walking at the same time?

 

[mom2rtk]

Who said you need to move out of the way for me? All you said was that if see you someone texting, you are going to "steamroll" them. Did it ever dawn on you that some people can text and also pay attention to where they are going or do you just want to lump everyone together because you don't like that they are texting and walking at the same time?

Man, I hope those same people don't think they can text and drive.......

 

[Tinker'n'Fun]

If it were a nice "butt" that was thrusting against me I might actually enjoy that and "butt" thrust back.

DD18's butt most likely would be preferred to mine even though I do work on mine...

I think everyone got the gist of my post wrong, and some may still think it is rude. I have taught my daughter this for her protection in a crowd. Being short you are a bit at a disadvantage in very large crowds. Being short it becomes impossible to figure out if left, right or straight works when you can't see over everyone's heads. Here is a picture of a scenario we were in. And trust me, we worked crowds in NYC, Washington DC, and large cities like Boston as well. But as I posted before, you need to have a plan if a crowd takes a quick stop or turn.

This is at purplegate. And DD and I are in this picture. If I had not used or showed her how to plant her feet and push her little tush out, she would have had no personal space to herself. Trust me, there were people there passing out because of the claustrophobia.

Managing crowds is an art. Being short is just a little different. So while I may be rude, I have always made it out of a crowd safe and sound, with mabye as this poster stated, a little enjoyment of my DD's butt!!

 

[penchris]

Just because someone is occupying the space you want to be in, it is not ok to intentionally push, shove, ram, thrust, or otherwise assert physical force to move the person. The original poster sounds like a battery victim to me.

 

[Wadecool]

Yes, because of your response, I went back and looked at my post and realized I had written it wrong. I didn't go out of my way to slam in to her, I just knew we were going to hit if I didn't move, so I braced for it. I completely disagree with your resonse, but you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

Whether you realize it or not, there's a difference between someone being oblivious and accidentally running into you, and someone seeing a potential collision coming and rather than avoid it, they (you) purposefully allow it to happen. From what you said, your actions went beyond just standing your ground. Try and remember that everyone who brushes up against you isnt doing it maliciously.

 

[Lyndria]

I got sick of this last year. I had one woman ram me twice so I finally asked her to not hit me anymore. I noticed she didn't have a child in the stroller, just stuff. She hit me one more time. I didn't say anything, but I did happen to see a fire hydrant coming up in front of us. I sidestepped at the last moment and she rammed the hydrant.

Awesome!