Should this book be banned?

[sgtdisney]

What is the real difference between wanting a book banned and demanding that the publisher withdraw the book from sale, and in essence preventing anyone who wants to read it the ability to do so?

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Kerry has already accused Bush of being behind the ads. If there's evidence of that, it violates federal election laws. If there's not evidence of that then Kerry is trying to smear the Bush campaign. And the fact that some of the Swiftvets may have also donated money to Republican candidates, or the Bush campaign is not evidence of election law violations.

Actually, Kerry's comments were slanderous. Accusing the president of breaking the law without proof is indeed a smear campaign. SwiftVets are also citizens and as such they are entitled to make campaign donations within the limits of the law.

 

[faithinkarma]

Gee, I can't imagine why anyone would think Bush was behind these ads. Other than the many connections to the smear campaign against McCain that is.

Whether or not Bush is behind this one, to try to make it sound like Bush is above such things is nonsense. He has used precisely these tactics before.

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
Actually, Kerry's comments were slanderous. Accusing the president of breaking the law without proof is indeed a smear campaign. SwiftVets are also citizens and as such they are entitled to make campaign donations within the limits of the law.

But it will give the Times and the Post something to focus on in their articles, instead of actually taking an objective look at the the Swiftvets claims and determining the truth.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by bsnyder
But it will give the Times and the Post something to focus on in their articles, instead of actually taking an objective look at the the Swiftvets claims and determining the truth.

Or instead of focusing on job loss, mounting deficit, war in Iraq, oil hovering around $50 a barrel...yep, Bush has a lot to lose by people not focusing on the issues.

 

[peachgirl]

If the Swiftvets accusations are proven to be baseless

Well, since Kerry can't provide a video tape of all the incidents and I doubt that anyone from that bunch is ever going to admit they lied, I doubt seriously there's "proof" enough to satisfy you.

If what has been shown so far doesn't make you wonder what they're really doing, then nothing ever will.





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[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by sgtdisney
What is the real difference between wanting a book banned and demanding that the publisher withdraw the book from sale, and in essence preventing anyone who wants to read it the ability to do so?

I agree with you. The result and the intent is the same. How come Kerry wasn't out there demanding the "withdrawal" of the I hate Bush books? The complaints, the filing of the suit against the vets sounds like so much whining to me. I would like a serious look at the possibility of coordination between Moveon.org, George Soros, and the Kerry campaign.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Well, since Kerry can't provide a video tape of all the incidents and I doubt that anyone from that bunch is ever going to admit they lied, I doubt seriously there's "proof" enough to satisfy you.

If what has been shown so far doesn't make you wonder what they're really doing, then nothing ever will.





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Again, why is Kerry's word "credible" and his critics are not?

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Or instead of focusing on job loss, mounting deficit, war in Iraq, oil hovering around $50 a barrel...yep, Bush has a lot to lose by people not focusing on the issues.

Then why didn't Kerry make those things the more central issues of his campaign instead of the "salute/reporting for duty" intro to his convention acceptance speech?

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Well, since Kerry can't provide a video tape of all the incidents and I doubt that anyone from that bunch is ever going to admit they lied, I doubt seriously there's "proof" enough to satisfy you.

If what has been shown so far doesn't make you wonder what they're really doing, then nothing ever will.





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I have to admit, one of my favorite lies is where they claim Kerry wrote his own report and point to the initials K J W to prove it was Kerry. KGW? Kerry John Who?

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
I agree with you. The result and the intent is the same. How come Kerry wasn't out there demanding the "withdrawal" of the I hate Bush books? The complaints, the filing of the suit against the vets sounds like so much whining to me. I would like a serious look at the possibility of coordination between Moveon.org, George Soros, and the Kerry campaign.

This is why Kerry can't denounce the 527's, as Bush has done, but has to pick and choose which ones he denounces:

Looking at the top forty-nine 527 organizations, we find:

#1: The Joint Victory Campaign. The sole purpose of this organization is to raise funds for the number two ranked Media Fund and number three ranked America Coming Together. Both organizations are dedicated to defeating George Bush. This organization sports no less than thirty-three individuals who have given more money than Bob Perry, twelve who have given at least one million dollars, with the largest contributor shelling out $7.75 million. George Soros has given more than $4.5 million to this organization.

#2: The Media Fund. This "Anybody but Bush" group has put together and paid for multiple TV ads that play in the battle-ground states. They are funded to the tune of over $28 million, almost half of which comes from the number one ranked Joint Victory Campaign. More than $5.5 million has come from employee unions.

#3: America Coming Together. Also against Bush, also helped by the Joint Victory Campaign, also a baby of George Soros ($5 million) and Peter Lewis (almost $3 million).

#4 & #5: The Service Employees International Union and the American Federationn of State/County/Municiple Employees More than $16 and $13 million respectively. Both are unions and hence partisan Democratic fronts.

Those are just the first five of the forty-nine. More staggering is when we step back and look at the forest, not the trees. Of the top forty-nine 527 organizations:

Forty one (84%) are supported by Democrats and push Democrat causes.

Only five are supported by Republicans and push Republican causes.


Three are issue or industry oriented (like Peter Lewis' Marijuana Policy Project).


The Democrat funding totals $176 million compared to the Republican total of $10.8 million.

By Kerry's measure, each of the organizations that support Democrat causes are "Democrat front groups." John Kerry only objects when a 527 organization slams him. President George Bush objects to it all, which begs the question, "Is this really a fight John Kerry wants to have?"

 

[Laura]

Originally posted by EsmeraldaX
NO book should be banned.

Exactly.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
Again, why is Kerry's word "credible" and his critics are not?

Geez Dawn, try and keep up. Did I say take Kerry's word?

No! Take the word of some the main players from SBVT:

1996...Elliott, one of the Vietnam veterans in the group flew from his home in Delaware to Boston in 1996 to stand up for Mr. Kerry during a tough re-election fight, declaring at a news conference that the action that won Mr. Kerry a Silver Star was "an act of courage."

1969.... Mr. Elliott, who was one of his commanders, ranked him as "not exceeded" in 11 categories, including moral courage, judgment and decisiveness, and "one of the top few" - the second-highest distinction - in the remaining five. In written comments, he called Mr. Kerry "unsurpassed," "beyond reproach" and "the acknowledged leader in his peer group."

March 2003.....Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group, allowed that he had disagreed with Mr. Kerry's antiwar positions but said, "I am not going to say anything negative about him." He added, "He's a good man."

June 2003, Mr. Hoffmann approvingly recalled the actions that led to Mr. Kerry's Silver Star: "It took guts, and I admire that

1996....Adrian L. Lonsdale, another Vietnam veteran now speaking out against Mr. Kerry, supported him with a statement about the "bravado and courage of the young officers that ran the Swift boats.""Senator Kerry was no exception," Mr. Lonsdale told the reporters and cameras assembled at the Charlestown Navy Yard. "He was among the finest of those Swift boat drivers."

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[cati]

No, we should not start banning books.

 

[peachgirl]

I have to admit, one of my favorite lies is where they claim Kerry wrote his own report and point to the initials K J W to prove it was Kerry. KGW? Kerry John Who?

Actually that's been proven to be a lie as well. Experts say that where those initials were placed were for the person who received the document, not the person writing it.





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[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by bsnyder
By Kerry's measure, each of the organizations that support Democrat causes are "Democrat front groups." John Kerry only objects when a 527 organization slams him. President George Bush objects to it all, which begs the question, "Is this really a fight John Kerry wants to have?"

Excellent post! Kerry has raised a lot of issues that he would have been better off ignoring. Hoffman said that he supported Kerry until he actually read Kerry's book and noted the lies and inconsistancies. What he appeared to be on the surface was not the entire man.

 

[faithinkarma]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...at_vets_for_bush___says_kerry_campaign141_xml

this is just the beginning. There is a much more serious story breaking right now. I will wait and post it until it is verified.

 

[bsnyder]

Faith, your link doesn't work. I got "document not found."

Okay spill the beans, what the breaking story?

 

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...at_vets_for_bush___says_kerry_campaign141_xml

this is just the beginning. There is a much more serious story breaking right now. I will wait and post it until it is verified.

The link is broken

 

[faithinkarma]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...at_vets_for_bush___says_kerry_campaign141_xml

sorry...I tried again