Thurlow did receive the bronze star for the same action and he states that the assertion that they were under fire at the time is absolutely false. One boat hit a mine, three other boats surrounded the disabled boat, Kerry's boat sped away and then returned to the location of the other boats, picking up Rasmussen in the process. The other Swift boaters were picking up the other people in the water as well.
Should this book be banned?
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Thurlow did receive the bronze star for the same action and he states that the assertion that they were under fire at the time is absolutely false. One boat hit a mine, three other boats surrounded the disabled boat, Kerry's boat sped away and then returned to the location of the other boats, picking up Rasmussen in the process. The other Swift boaters were picking up the other people in the water as well.
Forgot to address this one...
I suppose you have a point. After all when Bush checked out early from the National Guard he wasn't really leaving anyone in the lurch since he wasn't really there.
I'm not sure which "they" you're talking about, but all it would take is for Bush to stand up and condemn these attacks and then it would be just a bunch of people who have an ax to grind.
Kerry's service is simply one more assest he brings to the Presidency. You can bet if Bush had a military record to run on he would. His father did certainly did.
It's not an assertion, it's a fact and it is documented in military records.
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Its an interesting question because we know that they didn't run their campaigns on their service in WWII and in fact, during both of their runs for president; the Democrats clearly did not want to make military service even remotely an issue for the presidency. Of course we know who was running then.
First No the book should not be banned, No book or movie should be banned. Michael Moore has every right to release his movie. If there are lies or erroneous facts presented that are challenged by the media, it is up to us to understand the research and see if it viable (the research that is), or more lies. We are the ultimate ones that have to make the decision. I will not believe the Swiftboat Vets anymore than I do Michael Moore until I understand what's being said.
I wonder where was the outcry when Ted Kennedy was on his tirade calling Bush a Liar. Where was the outcry when Al Gore was on his tirades. "He betrayed this country He played on our fears. He took America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure dangerous to our troops, an adventure preordained and planned before 9/11 ever took place."
Where is the call for them to back up their facts. It seems that the Democrats can make any indictment they want without backing it up. Yet when the other party does there is such an overwhelming whinning of Dirty Politics. Kerry says he is taking the High road while he has his henchman out there doing his dirty work for him.
I wonder where was the outcry when Ted Kennedy was on his tirade calling Bush a Liar. Where was the outcry when Al Gore was on his tirades. "He betrayed this country He played on our fears. He took America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure dangerous to our troops, an adventure preordained and planned before 9/11 ever took place."
Where is the call for them to back up their facts. It seems that the Democrats can make any indictment they want without backing it up. Yet when the other party does there is such an overwhelming whinning of Dirty Politics. Kerry says he is taking the High road while he has his henchman out there doing his dirty work for him.
Yes Dawn, a incident that has been investigated and documented well can indeed be considered a reliable fact. Someone's ever changing story isn't.
Of course, unless we had a picture of the incident, we'll never have 100% proof, but as I said, that would call into question every medal ever issued.
The article published by the NYT's is being published on many sites, including Sludge.
I find it hilarious that you use sludge, freeper, Faux News, Free Republic and yet want to question the reliability of the New York Times????
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I am still trying to find where Kerry wants the book banned. Can anyone please show me where Kerry asked for the book to be banned? I have scoured the Drudge report, and do not seem to be able to find the word ban.
Yeah, as soon as I see you denounce the Swiftvets for theirs.
Actually, Kerry's complaint is against the SBVT, not Bush. At least, that's the latest report.
That's because it isn't true. He isn't asking for a "ban", he's asking the publisher to recall it because it's full of lies. Using the word "banned" is just to make it seem more sensational. It's not uncommon for publishers to pull such books, but this particular publisher is not mainstream, so don't look for it to happen.
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President Bush has deliberately avoided any comment on these ads to cautiously and deliberately avoid accusations of coordination. This to me highlights the desperation that the Kerry campaign must be feeling. One could speculate that the latest Moveon.org questioning Bush's service in the NG might have been "coordinated" so that Kerry would have an opportunity to denounce it. He did denounce it and in the same breath, called upon President Bush to denouncef the SwiftVet ads. If he denounced Moveon.org. is that coordination?
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I see....."someone" used the words "book banning" because they are such emotional words to all of us. Color me shocked !
Kerry has already accused Bush of being behind the ads. If there's evidence of that, it violates federal election laws. If there's not evidence of that then Kerry is trying to smear the Bush campaign. And the fact that some of the Swiftvets may have also donated money to Republican candidates, or the Bush campaign is not evidence of election law violations.
If the Swiftvets accusations are proven to be baseless then I will certainly condemn the ads, and the book. Until a few weeks ago, I was totally prepared to take John Kerry's accounts of his Vietnam service totally at face value. But there's no question that the Swiftvet charges have not been investigated by objective, outside media sources, and that bothers me.
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