Shame....

[lclark0621]

All this talk about refillable mugs on this website makes me think one thing...people drink WAY too much soda.

Just what I was thinking!

 

[Stitch1404]

During my last stay at the Beach Club I bought a mug but then never used it for refills. It was just too bulky, those things are huge! I used another normal size cup and that worked just fine for me. I even asked a CM if it was okay to do this and she just said keep the mug receipt with me in case I was ever questioned. That is what I did and I don't see why there is anything wrong with filling other drink containers as long as you buy the mug.

 

[frayedend]

Personally, if others choose to fill their water bottles, I'm not going to let it ruin my day. I was thinking about this on my last trip - if you buy a cup- can you dump the contents into another cup and keep refilling it? Can you share your refillable mug with other family members? What then is the difference if you bypass the cup - so long as you bought one. But then I noticed something interesting....

What I found interesting, is that although I haven't been to all of the resorts, at the higher end resorts there seems to be much less of this sort of thing going on. Perhaps the food court at the GF isn't set up the same way (so that it's easy to 'steal' soda) as the mods or the All-Stars, however, all over GF, guests - not CM's who are paid to be nice - but guests -were much more polite and friendly. I've seen the same thing in the Swan/Dolphin/Bwk/YC/BC area. Adults actually instructing their kids to let disabled guests go first - instead of making rude comments while a bus driver unloaded a disabled guest from the bus, say. Perfect strangers actually asking us if we needed help finding our room (we obviously had bags with us).
It was on an inter-park bus that we heard a dad repeatedly calling his kid stupid (The kid was leaning into a stepwell near the rear door. Instead of actually helping the kid move to a safe location and protecting his son, he just kept calling him stupid.) I've observed similar things all over the parks, but hardly ever while we were in the deluxe resort areas!

It seems that one of the myiad qualities that seperates different classes of people is their level of manners. Of course not all people at GF are polite, and of course not all people at All Stars are impolite, but perhaps teaching your kids manners helps them to succeed in life. Kids who are taught manners do better in life, and tend to raise their kids the same way, continuing the success. Perhaps, kids who are not taught manners, give their kids the same lack of manners, and it is one of the things that perpetuates poverty.
In school, manners matter. Kids who are constantly disrupting the class get asked to leave, thus limiting their own educational opportunities. It's the kids who are rude that often end up in fights with their peers, and suspended from school. The ones who raise their hands regularly, are often the ones who also appear in higher track classes with higher GPA's.

So to get back to the karma point, no, maybe you won't come back in your next life as a rat, but perhaps those have manners end up in better paying careers in this life, and the more polite you teach your kids to be, the more likely they are to be successful as well.

Oh My, that was incredibly well put!!! This is so true and you managed to put it in words that (hopefully) are politically correct enough not to have people flame you.

The real question is "are these ill-mannered people simply not intelligent and don't realize what they are doing by way of genetics" or "Did the poor job of parenting cause these people to be ignorant". Would they do better with a different up-bringing?

Now, my previous post about giving my kids soda will probably have people thinking I contradict myself by implying that I am a good parent and then letting my kids drink all the soda they want. That is not the case. I will not steal soda, but I just think the idea that "kids should never have soda" is just ridiculous. Just as I think that my neighbors who tell their children that the ice cream truck is the music truck (no ice cream for their kids) are just ridicoulous, even if they are intelligent.

 

[lsteadman]

Personally, if others choose to fill their water bottles, I'm not going to let it ruin my day. I was thinking about this on my last trip - if you buy a cup- can you dump the contents into another cup and keep refilling it? Can you share your refillable mug with other family members? What then is the difference if you bypass the cup - so long as you bought one. But then I noticed something interesting....

What I found interesting, is that although I haven't been to all of the resorts, at the higher end resorts there seems to be much less of this sort of thing going on. Perhaps the food court at the GF isn't set up the same way (so that it's easy to 'steal' soda) as the mods or the All-Stars, however, all over GF, guests - not CM's who are paid to be nice - but guests -were much more polite and friendly. I've seen the same thing in the Swan/Dolphin/Bwk/YC/BC area. Adults actually instructing their kids to let disabled guests go first - instead of making rude comments while a bus driver unloaded a disabled guest from the bus, say. Perfect strangers actually asking us if we needed help finding our room (we obviously had bags with us).
It was on an inter-park bus that we heard a dad repeatedly calling his kid stupid (The kid was leaning into a stepwell near the rear door. Instead of actually helping the kid move to a safe location and protecting his son, he just kept calling him stupid.) I've observed similar things all over the parks, but hardly ever while we were in the deluxe resort areas!

It seems that one of the myiad qualities that seperates different classes of people is their level of manners. Of course not all people at GF are polite, and of course not all people at All Stars are impolite, but perhaps teaching your kids manners helps them to succeed in life. Kids who are taught manners do better in life, and tend to raise their kids the same way, continuing the success. Perhaps, kids who are not taught manners, give their kids the same lack of manners, and it is one of the things that perpetuates poverty.
In school, manners matter. Kids who are constantly disrupting the class get asked to leave, thus limiting their own educational opportunities. It's the kids who are rude that often end up in fights with their peers, and suspended from school. The ones who raise their hands regularly, are often the ones who also appear in higher track classes with higher GPA's.

So to get back to the karma point, no, maybe you won't come back in your next life as a rat, but perhaps those have manners end up in better paying careers in this life, and the more polite you teach your kids to be, the more likely they are to be successful as well.

Did I read this right....People who stay at Deluxe hotels tend to be "better" people because they are at "deluxe" and have more class.....so you believe the people who stay at Pop or value resorts have less class than those at deluxe resort and that is what separates the classes. More money to spend on vacation equals more class. Less money to spend on vacation equals less class.

I thought having class, proper public behavior, common courtesy, etc. was a result of a good upbring or a good ole' fashion butt spanking to put you back in line or knowing the difference between right and wrong.

I know a people who have tons of money but not a drop of class. You can't buy class....its kind of a way of life. You can win the lottery tommorrow...but you can go to the store and ask for a supersize bottle of class. You get that from the inside.

What hotel you stay at has nothing to do with it. It amazes me how people classify others by the amount of money they have in the bank or the material things they own.


Interesting.......just loved the variety of opinions on DIS boards!!!!

 

[frayedend]

Did I read this right....People who stay at Deluxe hotels tend to be "better" people because they are at "deluxe" and have more class.....so you believe the people who stay at Pop or value resorts have less class than those at deluxe resort and that is what separates the classes. More money to spend on vacation equals more class. Less money to spend on vacation equals less class.

I thought having class, proper public behavior, common courtesy, etc. was a result of a good upbring or a good ole' fashion butt spanking to put you back in line or knowing the difference between right and wrong.

I know a people who have tons of money but not a drop of class. You can't buy class....its kind of a way of life. You can win the lottery tommorrow...but you can go to the store and ask for a supersize bottle of class. You get that from the inside.

What hotel you stay at has nothing to do with it. It amazes me how people classify others by the amount of money they have in the bank or the material things they own.


Interesting.......just loved the variety of opinions on DIS boards!!!!

I don't think the post said that this is always the case. And we may try to be politically correct all we want. And Disney is expensive no matter what, so even staying at a value doesn't mean your poor. But, in reality I have witnessed the fact that people on the lower income bracket tend to have less manners, are more ignorant, and could really care less what anyone thinks of them no matter what they do. When I asked my brother how the value resort was, his answer was "well it's okay, but you get a lot of losers at the resort that can make it unbearable." Now my brother is not poor, but not rich and he did stay at a value. He and his family have manners, follow the rules etc etc... but even he said there was a problem with the people at the value resorts. So as idealistic as it would be to say that people are the same at all the resorts, in truth you are going to get a better class of people at the more expensive resorts. Not always the case, but most of the time.

Flame Away

 

[BostonRob]

Oh My, that was incredibly well put!!! This is so true and you managed to put it in words that (hopefully) are politically correct enough not to have people flame you.

The real question is "are these ill-mannered people simply not intelligent and don't realize what they are doing by way of genetics" or "Did the poor job of parenting cause these people to be ignorant". Would they do better with a different up-bringing?

Now, my previous post about giving my kids soda will probably have people thinking I contradict myself by implying that I am a good parent and then letting my kids drink all the soda they want. That is not the case. I will not steal soda, but I just think the idea that "kids should never have soda" is just ridiculous. Just as I think that my neighbors who tell their children that the ice cream truck is the music truck (no ice cream for their kids) are just ridicoulous, even if they are intelligent.

Uhh, that wasn't politically correct and I expect this will get real ugly real quick.

 

[MzDiz]

I'm amazed at all the "high class, rich people" around here that can't spell.

Oh, do go on being judgmental, the irony is delicious.

 

[LIFERBABE]

As pathetic as that is, it's obscenely funny!

Anne

I on that one too!! Im sorry, I know this is rude, but I would have taken a picture!

I will say this, we just returned from 2 weeks at WDW and we purchased the mugs at SSR. I seriously thought to use another container, because that mug did not fit into the cup holder of the stroller or anywhere else for that matter. Next time, I am going to purchase the mug, laminate my receipt, and use a travel mug.

 

[G&J's Mom]

I don't think the post said that this is always the case. And we may try to be politically correct all we want. And Disney is expensive no matter what, so even staying at a value doesn't mean your poor. But, in reality I have witnessed the fact that people on the lower income bracket tend to have less manners, are more ignorant, and could really care less what anyone thinks of them no matter what they do. When I asked my brother how the value resort was, his answer was "well it's okay, but you get a lot of losers at the resort that can make it unbearable." Now my brother is not poor, but not rich and he did stay at a value. He and his family have manners, follow the rules etc etc... but even he said there was a problem with the people at the value resorts. So as idealistic as it would be to say that people are the same at all the resorts, in truth you are going to get a better class of people at the more expensive resorts. Not always the case, but most of the time.

Flame Away

I find snobs unbearable. I want to stay with the fun PO FOLKS!!!

 

[lsteadman]

I don't think the post said that this is always the case. And we may try to be politically correct all we want. And Disney is expensive no matter what, so even staying at a value doesn't mean your poor. But, in reality I have witnessed the fact that people on the lower income bracket tend to have less manners, are more ignorant, and could really care less what anyone thinks of them no matter what they do. When I asked my brother how the value resort was, his answer was "well it's okay, but you get a lot of losers at the resort that can make it unbearable." Now my brother is not poor, but not rich and he did stay at a value. He and his family have manners, follow the rules etc etc... but even he said there was a problem with the people at the value resorts. So as idealistic as it would be to say that people are the same at all the resorts, in truth you are going to get a better class of people at the more expensive resorts. Not always the case, but most of the time.

Flame Away

No flames here....but I am sure you can think of a number of people who have tons of money and can afford to stay at a deluxe resort but have no class.

Class is a way of life....its how conduct yourself and present yourself ...in your private and personal life. I know there are people who think they are better because they chose to stay deluxe.

I don't consider my self to be rich however we definitely are not poor. We are "blessed." I could easily afford to stay deluxe but are too cheap to do so. I would conduct myself the same whether I stayed value or deluxe. So it has nothing to do with resort... I has to do with behavior.

No flames just "classy" conversation!

 

[Matt]

To say that people who stay at deluxe hotels have more class is quite ignorant. Maybe there is a higher percentage of what you are talking about at values, I don't know. It definitely isn't directly tied to income I grew up with less money than most but I am definitely well off now. My parents actually were involved in my upbringing. Nowadays, you won't find me at the values. I still run into plenty of people who lack class and judge others for no reason. That comment is pretty sad.

 

[Sammie]

Oh Sammie...after not checking these boards for like 6 months I find you right where you were back then...a mug debate...

And after being away for 6 months I find you right here on my back, can't you let it go.

If you would be so kind as to see that I post daily to many threads and not just the mug ones. What is it with you?

 

[Sammie]

My BIL used to work at WDW ordering food service and he's the one who told me that it was part of the contract w/ Coke in exchange for all the advertising and exclusive rights. His Dad used to work for WDW, too, and he told me the same thing, just to clarify where I got that.

When two companies exchange product for product that does not mean they get it for free. Advertising is very expensive.

 

[Muziqal]

I don't think the post said that this is always the case. And we may try to be politically correct all we want. And Disney is expensive no matter what, so even staying at a value doesn't mean your poor. But, in reality I have witnessed the fact that people on the lower income bracket tend to have less manners, are more ignorant, and could really care less what anyone thinks of them no matter what they do. When I asked my brother how the value resort was, his answer was "well it's okay, but you get a lot of losers at the resort that can make it unbearable." Now my brother is not poor, but not rich and he did stay at a value. He and his family have manners, follow the rules etc etc... but even he said there was a problem with the people at the value resorts. So as idealistic as it would be to say that people are the same at all the resorts, in truth you are going to get a better class of people at the more expensive resorts. Not always the case, but most of the time.

Flame Away

Haha...that's ridiculous. Manners are associated with income brackets? Just because people have money and are taught to either retain wealth or gain more does not mean they were taught manners. Look at Paris and Nicole. It's quite the statement to make. Unfortunately we live in a capitalist society and tend to grade people's worth (all around) on a scale of how much money they make or grew up with. Spritually it makes no sense...it's pretty much a disgusting and indecent way to judge the worth of human life. And yet we live in the world that's controlled by gas giants, insurance tycoons and murdering tobacco companies. Yes, all of those people that fall into the 3 categories of "made men" are very decent and very well mannered. I mean, look at what they contribute to this world in addition to not taking soda at the GF. Manners, I think, is a pretty loosely defined word. The family with the $ may not steal their soda, but they'll sabotage the guy beside them to make an extra $, use insider information and break securities exchange laws to make the $ they can afford to buy refillable mugs with and chew the mom & pop corner store across the street up and spit it out for commercial real estate profit. Lovely and full of class. But they'll pay for their soda and act posh at the GF while the class"less" run around like hyenas at the All Stars.

Here you are debating about a couple of cents worth of soda...get your head out of your %^^. Open your eyes and use your brain...

 

[dcgrumpy]

Seriously, who is drinking this much soda??? Don't get me wrong, I love diet coke and have one every day, at lunch. But I never understood the whole refillable mug concept...

Why not just have your soda to drink when you sit down with a meal and just buy them one at a time? Are people really walking around with soda all day long?

What is the point of the refillable mug? I don't get it. <--This guy clearly has drank too much soda out of his refillable mug.

I have a cup of coffee in the morning and a soda at the pool or in the room at night while watching tv. If I paid as I went along it would cost me about 3 times as much as a mug costs, plus I get a souvenir out of it.

I do wish they could have the barcode stickers that can be updated like the water parks do. I really don't need 5 CSR mugs, especially since they aren't the travel mug kind.

 

[CaliforniaDreaming]

This has ended up just like every other refillable mug thread, CLOSED. Attacks will not be tolerated.