Seriously need healthy recipe help for a picky eater

...and albumen as PP posted above.

I also wanted to mention that a pretty good vegetable stock can be made from the trimmings bag you described. I would put the trimmings in a pot, cover with water, bring to boil, simmer. It is not as nice as a real vegetable broth, but it is much better than water. I am planning to make some today (I have a veggie friend coming for dinner this weekend) but I will add a bay leaf, some ginger and a leek (just because I have them) to my trimmings bag. This will not be good enough (IMO) for a soup base (unless I am adding beans or lentils) but it will be perfect for making quinoa, rice, or something like that.

Also, no cabbagey (broccoli, brussels sprouts) or potatoey (really starchy) trimmings in the bag. They will ruin the broth.

On behalf of vegetarians everyplace, thank you.

PSA - it's not vegetarian if you make the soup/rice/mashed potatoes/whatever with chicken stock. Please, for the love of god, stop doing that unless you know everyone attending eats meat - at least stop saying or assuming things are vegetarian because "it's puree of <insert vegetable here> soup,' when, in fact, the base is chicken or fish stock.
 
I agree with the last paragraph which is why I said perhaps it wasn't the most diplomatic approach. I tried to be as diplomatic as I could in giving her advice.

I think the small steps thing is a bit overplayed generally. In and right after college I was not a healthy eater and I didn't exercise nearly enough. I had put on about 10 pound and had lost a lot of muscle from before I had a 48 hour/week job and full time course load. I decided to make a change and within a month had it done. It took a month to ween myself off sugar in my coffee but the rest of my eating habits changed in a day. I did slowly learn more and started making better choices but I didn't want to drag out what I needed to do, I just wanted to do it and get it done.

I only say that for two reasons. I think people assume I have always been a healthy eater and athlete but for about 4 years of my life I was not. I stopped my good habits and had to take them back up I just didn't wait until I was 10 years and 100 pounds beyond what I wanted. The other reason is because I am not better than anyone and I don't think I am some superhuman who is capable of things others aren't. Quite the opposite actually.

If your theory about slow changes being overplayed were true, then how do you account for the vast amount of people who plan a serious dietary change, implement it enthusiastically, feel great about it & then a week, two weeks, a month and a half up the road give up in frustration because they can't sustain it? It worked for you & that's great. It doesn't work for everyone and lots of folks out there find their way along more gradually. The important part is the destination.
 
On behalf of vegetarians everyplace, thank you.

PSA - it's not vegetarian if you make the soup/rice/mashed potatoes/whatever with chicken stock. Please, for the love of god, stop doing that unless you know everyone attending eats meat - at least stop saying or assuming things are vegetarian because "it's puree of <insert vegetable here> soup,' when, in fact, the base is chicken or fish stock.

If you dont want to eat it, dont eat it.
 
If your theory about slow changes being overplayed were true, then how do you account for the vast amount of people who plan a serious dietary change, implement it enthusiastically, feel great about it & then a week, two weeks, a month and a half up the road give up in frustration because they can't sustain it? It worked for you & that's great. It doesn't work for everyone and lots of folks out there find their way along more gradually. The important part is the destination.

Don't get me wrong slow changes isn't bad, I just think it is not the best way. I just prefer to do it and get it done. The reason I think it is overplayed is because in my experience a lot of the time it is either not enough or far too spread out. It also depends on the person. Someone who is a little overweight and lives a moderately healthy lifestyle can benefit a lot from slow lifestyle changes or minor tweaks. Someone who is 200 pounds overweight, is at a high risk for a stroke or heart attack, or is downing 10 pills a day to just stay alive and deal with the illnesses their lifestyle has created doesn't have that luxury.

As for why people don't stick with change it is because often they just don't have the willpower. I know people get all up in arms about that statement but it is true. It isn't always easy passing up the brownies or doughnuts at work or putting on your winter running gear and doing a 5 mile run in the snow. I know, I don't always want to do it either, but I do.

I also think it is often a problem with outlook. People decide they want to diet to lose 10 pounds instead of change their lifestyle permanently. If you goal is to diet and lose 50 pounds you achieve that goal and often times let up on the difficult changes you made to get there. If your goal is a permanent lifestyle change you don't reach an end goal, you are always in the process of striving for that goal.

In time your new lifestyle just becomes normal. People too often don't allow for the time it takes for that to happen. It is just as normal for me now to scrutinize the healthiness of a dish at a restaurant as it was in the past to just go with what sounds good. While from time to time I treat myself or just take a recovery break I am almost always in health mode. I almost always go with the healthy option at meal time. I almost always look for the stairs instead of the elevator. I almost always park further away and walk. I almost always opt for the physical activity as opposed to the stationary one. I almost always make sure to get in my run, bike ride, swim, hike, or time at the gym. All of this is completely normal to me now and comes just as naturally as the opposite comes to others. The only reason that is is because I made it my permanent lifestyle as opposed to a finite goal and I have the willpower to keep it up.
 

If you dont want to eat it, dont eat it.

If you don't want to serve food to people, don't invite them over.

Note I said at least don't lie about it. I don't ever ask anyone to make me anything special - I do ask that people actually know what's in food they make - but then don't get all annoyed if I'm not eating your chicken mashed potatoes.
 
If you don't want to serve food to people, don't invite them over.

Note I said at least don't lie about it. I don't ever ask anyone to make me anything special - I do ask that people actually know what's in food they make - but then don't get all annoyed if I'm not eating your chicken mashed potatoes.

Wait what? Did dngnb8 even HAVE a vegetarian friend he had invited over for dinner?? I may have missed that part.
 
If you dont want to eat it, dont eat it.

How can they decide if they will eat it if they don't know what's in it. I will serve meat dishes if I have a vegetarian over to my house as one of a dinner party, but I will point out what has meat in it and what is fine for him/her to eat.
 
If you don't want to serve food to people, don't invite them over.

Note I said at least don't lie about it. I don't ever ask anyone to make me anything special - I do ask that people actually know what's in food they make - but then don't get all annoyed if I'm not eating your chicken mashed potatoes.

I don't think they lie, they just dont think about it. My niece is a vegetarian and I thought this awesome rice dish I made would be awesome for her... then after thinking for a few min realized the chicken stock base would ruin that. Those of us that eat meat sometimes forget about the little hidden ones... (I also wouldn't think a Caesar salad would be an issue, but she informed me that Caesar dressing has fish stuff in it.
 
If you don't want to serve food to people, don't invite them over.

Who said I didnt serve food?

Note I said at least don't lie about it. I don't ever ask anyone to make me anything special - I do ask that people actually know what's in food they make - but then don't get all annoyed if I'm not eating your chicken mashed potatoes.

Im not annoyed if you dont eat it and I have no issue telling you how I make my food.

Youre more then welcome to eat what you wish. You can even bring something and it wont matter.
 
I don't think they lie, they just dont think about it. My niece is a vegetarian and I thought this awesome rice dish I made would be awesome for her... then after thinking for a few min realized the chicken stock base would ruin that. Those of us that eat meat sometimes forget about the little hidden ones... (I also wouldn't think a Caesar salad would be an issue, but she informed me that Caesar dressing has fish stuff in it.

Throw into the mix that everyone has their own definition of "vegetarian".

KI dont eat Red meat

I eat fish but no land meat

Simple, bring your own so you have something, or dont eat what is made.
 
I don't think they lie, they just dont think about it. My niece is a vegetarian and I thought this awesome rice dish I made would be awesome for her... then after thinking for a few min realized the chicken stock base would ruin that. Those of us that eat meat sometimes forget about the little hidden ones... (I also wouldn't think a Caesar salad would be an issue, but she informed me that Caesar dressing has fish stuff in it.

That, I totally understand - and always ask in restaurants, because it's often hidden like that (and have had countless servers assure me a soup or whatever has no meat, only to, when I politely ask them if they could please just check to humour me, come back surprised there's meat in it), but often I don't think to ask in homes.

It doesn't occur to me to add chicken stock to rice or potatoes or stuff (it's a habit to ask in restaurants, regardless of what I order), hence I kind of wish people wouldn't do it or would at least remember to mention if they don't know everyone eats meat.

Yes, real Caesar dressing has anchovies, just btw, heh, though some bottled ones don't.

Throw into the mix that everyone has their own definition of "vegetarian".

KI dont eat Red meat

I eat fish but no land meat

Simple, bring your own so you have something, or dont eat what is made.

Confused people are confused.

I'd never be so rude as to bring my own food to someone's house when invited to eat there. I just won't eat, that's fine, nor will I make any nevermind about it. I will wonder why the heck you'd invite people if you wouldn't make things they'd eat though. It's not particularly hospitable.
 
I'd never be so rude as to bring my own food to someone's house when invited to eat there. I just won't eat, that's fine, nor will I make any nevermind about it. I will wonder why the heck you'd invite people if you wouldn't make things they'd eat though. It's not particularly hospitable.

So its okay for vegetarians to be confused, but not non-vegatarians.

How rude.

Did you consider that some people may not understand that broth made with meat is a problem. They may think, its broth not meat.

You make the statement they lie, yet vegetarians are confused. I think that chip on your shoulder is confusing you.
 
So its okay for vegetarians to be confused, but not non-vegatarians.

How rude.

Did you consider that some people may not understand that broth made with meat is a problem. They may think, its broth not meat.

You make the statement they lie, yet vegetarians are confused. I think that chip on your shoulder is confusing you.

I didn't say we were confused, I said I didn't think about it in someone's house.
 
Don't get me wrong slow changes isn't bad, I just think it is not the best way. I just prefer to do it and get it done. The reason I think it is overplayed is because in my experience a lot of the time it is either not enough or far too spread out. It also depends on the person. Someone who is a little overweight and lives a moderately healthy lifestyle can benefit a lot from slow lifestyle changes or minor tweaks. Someone who is 200 pounds overweight, is at a high risk for a stroke or heart attack, or is downing 10 pills a day to just stay alive and deal with the illnesses their lifestyle has created doesn't have that luxury.

As for why people don't stick with change it is because often they just don't have the willpower. I know people get all up in arms about that statement but it is true. It isn't always easy passing up the brownies or doughnuts at work or putting on your winter running gear and doing a 5 mile run in the snow. I know, I don't always want to do it either, but I do.

I also think it is often a problem with outlook. People decide they want to diet to lose 10 pounds instead of change their lifestyle permanently. If you goal is to diet and lose 50 pounds you achieve that goal and often times let up on the difficult changes you made to get there. If your goal is a permanent lifestyle change you don't reach an end goal, you are always in the process of striving for that goal.

In time your new lifestyle just becomes normal. People too often don't allow for the time it takes for that to happen. It is just as normal for me now to scrutinize the healthiness of a dish at a restaurant as it was in the past to just go with what sounds good. While from time to time I treat myself or just take a recovery break I am almost always in health mode. I almost always go with the healthy option at meal time. I almost always look for the stairs instead of the elevator. I almost always park further away and walk. I almost always opt for the physical activity as opposed to the stationary one. I almost always make sure to get in my run, bike ride, swim, hike, or time at the gym. All of this is completely normal to me now and comes just as naturally as the opposite comes to others. The only reason that is is because I made it my permanent lifestyle as opposed to a finite goal and I have the willpower to keep it up.

I'm not quite sure there's a surefire way to express this completely tactfully, so I'm going to go w/ straightforward & start by saying flat-out it's not an attempt to call you out or get in your face or disrespect you. You've given some great tips here & obviously know a great deal about this. I do think your blithe dismissal of others' lack of willpower lacks understanding of what obstacles others, including the OP, face when trying to make serious changes so immediately. You made your lifestyle changes as a young, single guy. It's my understanding you're still a young, single guy. Your stop & make the change on a dime solution is much, much simpler when you can unilaterally make lifestyle, scheduling and time decisions based only on yourself.

All I'm trying to say is leave a little bit of room in your thinking to realize that everyone isn't balancing the same load as yourself, your choices aren't available to everyone and definitely aren't one size fits all. Dismissing others as having weak willpower doesn't help them and isn't necessarily accurate.

I'm not advocating coddling. I came right out and told the OP earlier that she is in denial about her former eating habits. It doesn't help her to encourage no vegetables and Hamburger Helper in particular as being "relatively healthy eating". From her comments here I think she's got to run her race slow and steady. Lots of people start their change by quitting soda. For OP I hope one of her first changes is kicking Hamburger Helper & that kind of processed garbage once & for all. Heck, she could make some type of homemade casserole that mimics the Hamburger Helper by using ground turkey & the whole wheat pasta w/ other ingredients, get her fix for the kind of food she likes & still be making progress. Combine enough of the smaller changes & expend some real effort into exploring ways to enjoy more vegetables & I believe she can & will get there.
 
I said



You said



quoting my statement

I apologize you werent clear.....

I was clear, thanks.

They're confused. They're not vegetarians.

You can call yourself a chair, doesn't make you one, and I'd be nice enough to call you confused if you did.
 
I'm not quite sure there's a surefire way to express this completely tactfully, so I'm going to go w/ straightforward & start by saying flat-out it's not an attempt to call you out or get in your face or disrespect you. You've given some great tips here & obviously know a great deal about this. I do think your blithe dismissal of others' lack of willpower lacks understanding of what obstacles others, including the OP, face when trying to make serious changes so immediately. You made your lifestyle changes as a young, single guy. It's my understanding you're still a young, single guy. Your stop & make the change on a dime solution is much, much simpler when you can unilaterally make lifestyle, scheduling and time decisions based only on yourself.

All I'm trying to say is leave a little bit of room in your thinking to realize that everyone isn't balancing the same load as yourself, your choices aren't available to everyone and definitely aren't one size fits all. Dismissing others as having weak willpower doesn't help them and isn't necessarily accurate.

I'm not advocating coddling. I came right out and told the OP earlier that she is in denial about her former eating habits. It doesn't help her to encourage no vegetables and Hamburger Helper in particular as being "relatively healthy eating". From her comments here I think she's got to run her race slow and steady. Lots of people start their change by quitting soda. For OP I hope one of her first changes is kicking Hamburger Helper & that kind of processed garbage once & for all. Heck, she could make some type of homemade casserole that mimics the Hamburger Helper by using ground turkey & the whole wheat pasta w/ other ingredients, get her fix for the kind of food she likes & still be making progress. Combine enough of the smaller changes & expend some real effort into exploring ways to enjoy more vegetables & I believe she can & will get there.

I don't feel called out at all, I appreciate good dialog on this subject which is far too often lacking.

Yes, I was 26 and single when I made my big changes and I am about to turn 34 and while I date I am not in anything long term. You are right, it is easier for me to make changes I want on my own. I don't think that makes it impossible for people who are older or not single to make changes. It might be harder, sure, not not impossible. I am not dismissing the difficulty so I hope that isn't the impression you got, I just think that difficulty shouldn't mean you fail.

Something I tell people who are in a relationship and want to change is that they can't let their s/o or kids keep them from their goals. Even if you are the only person in the house who is going to eat healthy do it, don't let the others pull you down. I completely understand that it is harder when you are living with someone but at that point there are three options. You both change by choice. The person who wants positive change brings the other one along eventually. The person who wants positive change allows the other one to drag them down or sabotage their efforts. You see it all the time on the biggest loser. One member loses a lot of weight but allows their spouse to sabotage them down the road a bit. If that means you make your own meal that is what it takes.

Like I said, I am not dismissing the difficulty but in the end it comes down to you. If all you (general you) can do is small slow changes that is great. Not ideal but great.

This is merely my experience but I do deal with it in real life with people I know. When I first moved back to Ohio from Florida I rented a house with one of my friends. At the time he was about 100 pounds overweight and was not being successful at losing it. At first we made our own meals because we ate vastly different but I didn't let the fact he had chips and cookies and cake in the house sabotage me. Eventually he started to eat what I made and came to the grocery store with me and when we moved into our own places 2 years later he was 90 pounds lighter and was training for his first 5K.

I realize that my situation was and is different than others but it is my experience. I think people sell themselves short all the time. They think they can't do it or that it is too hard to be successful but that just isn't the case. Is it easier for some people and harder for others? Absolutely. Humans are smart and strong people. I think if we can invent algebra, harness the power of the atom, and reach the moon safely we can make lifestyle choices. None of them are easy but all of them have been proven possible.

When it comes down to it I am talking more about people in general or the population on these threads and not anyone specific. I only throw in my examples to show my experience. I conceded I can't have everyone's experience just as they can't all have mine. If someone gives me their specific experience like the OP did I can make more tailor made suggestions for them if they are interested but once we start talking about people in general I give general advice that might or might not fit them ideally.

They're confused. They're not vegetarians.

You can call yourself a chair, doesn't make you one, and I'd be nice enough to call you confused if you did.

Exactly. If you eat only fish you aren't really a vegetarian, you are a piscitarian. If you sometimes eat meat-based broth but nothing else you are an omnivore that limits their meat intake to broth.

Vegetarian and vegan, neither of which I am, are pretty standardized unless someone just isn't really what they claim to be.
 
I was clear, thanks.

Apparently not

They're confused. They're not vegetarians.

You can call yourself a chair, doesn't make you one, and I'd be nice enough to call you confused if you did.

So let me get this straight....

A person who calls himself a vegetarian is confused if they dont meet your definition.

Yet

A person who isnt a vegetarian, and makes a mistake in what they think is a vegetarian preparation, is rude.

Got it. :rolleyes:

Got it.
 
So let me get this straight....

A person who calls himself a vegetarian is confused if they dont meet your definition.

Yet

A person who isnt a vegetarian, and makes a mistake in what they think is a vegetarian preparation, is rude.

Got it. :rolleyes:

Got it.

Ugh, we get it. You don't agree. This is adding nothing to the discussion and is distracting from an otherwise good informative thread for the second time.

And don't use this as an excuse to do the same with me because I will be ignoring you.
 
I don't feel called out at all, I appreciate good dialog on this subject which is far too often lacking.

Yes, I was 26 and single when I made my big changes and I am about to turn 34 and while I date I am not in anything long term. You are right, it is easier for me to make changes I want on my own. I don't think that makes it impossible for people who are older or not single to make changes. It might be harder, sure, not not impossible. I am not dismissing the difficulty so I hope that isn't the impression you got, I just think that difficulty shouldn't mean you fail.

Something I tell people who are in a relationship and want to change is that they can't let their s/o or kids keep them from their goals. Even if you are the only person in the house who is going to eat healthy do it, don't let the others pull you down. I completely understand that when you are living with someone there are three options. You both change. The person who wants positive change brings the other one along eventually. The person who wants positive change allows the other one to drag them down. You see it all the time on the biggest loser. One member loses a lot of weight but allows their spouse to sabotage them down the road a bit.

Like I said, I am not dismissing the difficulty but in the end it comes down to you. If all you (general you) can do is small slow changes that is great. Not ideal but great.

This is merely my experience but I do deal with it in real life with people I know because I am the guy my friends and coworkers ask. When I first moved back to Ohio from Florida I rented a house with one of my friends. At the time he was about 100 pounds overweight and was not being successful at losing it. At first we made our own meals because we ate vastly different but I didn't let the fact he had chips and cookies and cake in the house sabotage me. Eventually he started to eat what I made and came to the grocery store with me and when we moved into our own places 2 years later he was 90 pounds lighter and was training for his first 5K.

I realize that my situation was and is different than others but it is my experience. I think people sell themselves short all the time. They think they can't do it or that it is too hard to be successful but that just isn't the case. Is it easier for some people and harder for others? Absolutely. Humans are smart and strong people. I think if we can invent algebra, harness the power of the atom, and reach the moon safely we can make lifestyle choices. None of them are easy but all of them have been proven possible.

When it comes down to it I am talking more about people in general or the population on these threads and not anyone specific. I only throw in my examples to show my experience. I conceded I can't have everyone's experience just as they can't all have mine. If someone gives me their specific experience like the OP did I can make more tailor made suggestions for them if they are interested but once we start talking about people in general I give general advice that might or might not fit them ideally.

Actually I'm talking more about time/energy constraints involved in trying to make changes within the confines of a family rather than differing eating styles. We cook dinner basically every night. The schedules in our family of four have gotten so tight that it may be two months or more between eating out. Some crazy kinks in our schedule meant we ordered pizza the night before Thanksgiving instead of cooking what I had scheduled. I don't have an issue with what we're eating as a rule, but maintaining the meal planning, cooking & everything that goes along with it is very, very grueling at times. Frequently our sacrifice has to be exercising. We have to have a nutritious meal ready at the appropriate slot in the schedule. If I'm not looking at fitting in time for meal prep, sooner or later I have to pay the piper in another way, like washing walls, scrubbing down the refrig or just plain old keeping up w/ the laundry -- with two teenaged girls plenty of that needs special care, not just dropping from washer to dryer to closet.

OP is a single mom & doesn't have the luxury I sometimes do of having DH start the prep for or flat-out make dinner some nights. I have a friend who is a single mom of 2 who does rely on take-out, Market Day brand purchased entrees, box mac n' cheese & the like for 95% of their meals. Mom & both teenaged kids together would be unlikely to weigh 250#. She tries to work the meals differently but time is not her friend. Trying to fit my meal plans into their lives would be stressful to say the least.

At our house we've put a lot of time & effort into nutritious meals. 97% of the time it's impossible to wring out the time for DH & I to exercise on top of it all. Our days are very long & closing down the kitchen for the night, throwing another load of laundry in the washer & squeezing in a 45-min. walk at 10:30, 10:45 is a complete luxury. It's a very different issue when you simply cannot unilaterally make the choices based solely on your own schedule and needs.
 












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