September 2007 POP'ers??? MoJiTooooOoOoOOooo!!!!

[wic0721]

yeah I understand about being with family at the holidays but my mom and I are so much a like that we can only be in the same room for about 2 hours and then we want to choke each other

Well that's an hour and 50 minutes more than Shawn can stand being with his mother before he wants to choke her!

 

[Poohbear67]

Well that's an hour and 50 minutes more than Shawn can stand being with his mother before he wants to choke her!

I so feel for him

 

[wic0721]

You know, if we could figure out a way to sneak some lithium into her diet, I really think she'd be quite bearable!

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Folks, I will be the first one to agree that parents and in laws can be pains in the posterior. People often are and both parents and kids are people. Sad fact, but true.

Having lived a bit longer than many of you I can also tell you that the pain of having to deal with people is far less than the regret you might feel later in life in not doing so.

My father surely did not deserve the time and attention that I paid him but I am glad that I did so that when he was gone I did not have the feelings of guilt that I might have had. The thing is that us older folks will someday die and no longer care but your younger generation will be around for a bit longer and us old folks that love you would not want you to suffer pangs.

Dealing with relatives is sort of like taking medicine. It is good for you most of the time but best taken in small doses often.

I have many relatives that I would never choose to hang around with if it were not for the bonds of blood. Been there, done that. Some folks are like dessert, best taken in small amounts and only occasionally. Thankfully there are those who are a delight to be around and we can consider them the fruits and vegetables of life and enjoy them as often as we possibly can.

Slightly Goofy who is proud of being a nut, which IS a fruit!!

 

[wic0721]

Folks, I will be the first one to agree that parents and in laws can be pains in the posterior. People often are and both parents and kids are people. Sad fact, but true.

Having lived a bit longer than many of you I can also tell you that the pain of having to deal with people is far less than the regret you might feel later in life in not doing so.

My father surely did not deserve the time and attention that I paid him but I am glad that I did so that when he was gone I did not have the feelings of guilt that I might have had. The thing is that us older folks will someday die and no longer care but your younger generation will be around for a bit longer and us old folks that love you would not want you to suffer pangs.

Dealing with relatives is sort of like taking medicine. It is good for you most of the time but best taken in small doses often.

I have many relatives that I would never choose to hang around with if it were not for the bonds of blood. Been there, done that. Some folks are like dessert, best taken in small amounts and only occasionally. Thankfully there are those who are a delight to be around and we can consider them the fruits and vegetables of life and enjoy them as often as we possibly can.

Slightly Goofy who is proud of being a nut, which IS a fruit!!

I can definately see your point SG, however my MIL is a major headcase! Her own mother and siblings think she is bi-polar, her 3 children also think she is. Unfortunately she has her current husband so horse whipped, that he would never tell her she needs to be examined! I would not wish this woman on anyone, I feel bad for any future sister-in-laws I may have....my MIL is very loving and generous until the engagement ring/wedding band goes on...then her head starts spinning, and green stuff starts coming out of her! When my daughter spends the night over there, I do not sleep until she is back home safe and sound! I know my mil would never physically harm Kellie...but she back stabs her entire family in front of Kellie...then my 8 yo repeats to us what she had heard, or questions why her grandmother is saying this or that! 2 years ago, when Shawn and I drove his grandmother to FL and stayed for a week...we found out 2 days before we left that my MIL planned on buying our daughter another dog, a cat, a guinea pig, bird and a couple fish.....now why would a person do this without asking if it's ok....because she was hoping that when we got home, and started trying to return these animals or find new homes, that we'd look like bad horrible parents in our child's eyes! She was 6 at the time! I was so furious, that I ended up having my sister watch Kellie for the week, I did not speak to my MIL for months!

 

[Poohbear67]

I can definately see your point SG, however my MIL is a major headcase! Her own mother and siblings think she is bi-polar, her 3 children also think she is. Unfortunately she has her current husband so horse whipped, that he would never tell her she needs to be examined! I would not wish this woman on anyone, I feel bad for any future sister-in-laws I may have....my MIL is very loving and generous until the engagement ring/wedding band goes on...then her head starts spinning, and green stuff starts coming out of her! When my daughter spends the night over there, I do not sleep until she is back home safe and sound! I know my mil would never physically harm Kellie...but she back stabs her entire family in front of Kellie...then my 8 yo repeats to us what she had heard, or questions why her grandmother is saying this or that! 2 years ago, when Shawn and I drove his grandmother to FL and stayed for a week...we found out 2 days before we left that my MIL planned on buying our daughter another dog, a cat, a guinea pig, bird and a couple fish.....now why would a person do this without asking if it's ok....because she was hoping that when we got home, and started trying to return these animals or find new homes, that we'd look like bad horrible parents in our child's eyes! She was 6 at the time! I was so furious, that I ended up having my sister watch Kellie for the week, I did not speak to my MIL for months!

I so feel for you Wic I understand about in-laws making you look bad to your kids. At least your MIL/Mom buys things for your kids, mine could care less about my two kids (former step daughter) but now my sister and my niece and my step dad's kids and grandkids watch out they get everything but the kitchen sink bought for them.

 

[wic0721]

I so feel for you Wic I understand about in-laws making you look bad to your kids. At least your MIL/Mom buys things for your kids, mine could care less about my two kids (former step daughter) but now my sister and my niece and my step dad's kids and grandkids watch out they get everything but the kitchen sink bought for them.

She is always buying her things....I think she's trying to buy her love! Which is so wrong! If I see one more Dollar Store p.o.c. come home with her, I think I'll lose it! I'm constantly telling Kellie not to ask for a thing while she's with her...but she's 8, and it's extremely hard for her to say no! Kellie told me a couple weeks ago, that her grandmother told her that she thinks I have thrown away everything she has ever given me.....now why would you say that to an 8 yo???

 

[Poohbear67]

She is always buying her things....I think she's trying to buy her love! Which is so wrong! If I see one more Dollar Store p.o.c. come home with her, I think I'll lose it! I'm constantly telling Kellie not to ask for a thing while she's with her...but she's 8, and it's extremely hard for her to say no! Kellie told me a couple weeks ago, that her grandmother told her that she thinks I have thrown away everything she has ever given me.....now why would you say that to an 8 yo???

That would so peeve me off. I know by saying anything to them it just makes matters worse so I did the next best thing and I don't go around anymore and if I do its not for very long and when my step daughter was still with me I told her and my son to disguard anything she had to say.

 

[wic0721]

That would so peeve me off. I know by saying anything to them it just makes matters worse so I did the next best thing and I don't go around anymore and if I do its not for very long and when my step daughter was still with me I told her and my son to disguard anything she had to say.

Kellie has been told the same thing, she has also been told that if gramma says anything bad about anyone in the family, she needs to tell us, or tell her to stop talking like that about so and so! I'm teaching her to nicely put gramma in her place at a very young age!

Kellie told me she heard gramma telling a neighbor that she hoped my mom died of her cancer, that way she wouldn't have to compete for Kellie's love anymore! How sad and pathetic is that???

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Good gravy! Some people just plain forget what it was like when they were the dil's or something. The children belong to their parents not us grandparents. We are there to support . You raise your kids the best you know how, warts and all, and then it is their turn to live their lives, make their mistakes and also achieve. Wives trump mothers, that is all there is and that is how it should be. That is how WE wanted it when we were first married. I have a difficult relationship with my dil but for me to wish a divorce would be not loving my son and grandchildren. I want what is best for them. Period, end of story. I will never satisfy her, no one does, but I refuse to butt into their business. Being a mil is a pain in the behind often. Just the name is enough to scare ME!!

It sounds as if these women have severe mental problems and it has nothing to do with the fact that they are mil's though. Just makes it more difficult cause we sometimes have to deal with it, as I do my dil and other difficult relatives.

It is a wonderful thing to have difficult relatives though cause every family has one and if you do not, it might be YOU! I think that Disney folks are immune to such goings on though.

wic0721, I am betting that your mil has a bad marriage and few friends and so she is putting all her eggs in one basket, your child, and that is wrong. She needs to get out and get a life of her own and know that grandchildren are the dessert of life and not the main course AND stop talking bad about Kellie's beloved parents before the child stops wanting to see her at all. You are kind to see that behavior as sad and pathetic cause that is what it truly is. I am sorry for you all.

Pooh, I know grandparents who either favor some grands or ignore them all. It is a hard concept for me to understand. I fill in for many of them and they have no idea what they are missing. It is the spending time (not money) with a child that forms bonds of love and caring. Children are young for such a short time and they are so interesting to talk to and to see the world through their eyes keeps us young and interesting instead of turning inward and becoming old and dull.

I still contend that it is personality rather than a family position that defines us. You do not turn into a snoopy old hag just cause your child gets married, you always had that propensity.

If you love something or someone you have to give them freedom to love you back. You cannot force someone to love or be loved. I love my children to pieces but they drive me nuts and we all know that is a very short putt in my case.

My grandkids like me though. Just spent some time with the older one. He tickles me. Sixteen and sweet as heck. I always take his parents side even when they are wrong.

Nuff serious stuff. Going to go decorate some cookies with some kids. Bet I have more fun than they.

SG/Linda

 

[angwill]

SG,
Is your DH actually autistic or more likely asperger's? My whole life I have been surrounded by people with mental differences. I have worked as a teachers aid with kids with anything from Cerebral Palsey and in a wheel chair, severe and mild mental retardation, asperger's, autistic, down's syndrom, hydrocephalis, Bi-polar, ADHD, and Learning and/or behavior differences which they sadly now call emotionally disturbed you name the diagnosis I have worked with kids from the age of 4 to 18 with it. I also used to do foster care too and had one boy with an alphabet soup of diagnosis and man that boy gave me a run for my money. That's when I learned it is much easier to work with it than live with it. I also have a nephew with autism and one with ADHD. I am convinced it is my calling because even now that I don't work in the schools with kids they still seem to find me and talk to me wherever I go. One of my son's good friends has aspergers as well. I have also made it my business to research most diagnoses so I could understand the kids better.

As for getting sick in Disney if that happens call those friends I am sure they would love to help you out. Remember most people get more pleasure out of helping others than helping ourselves. Come on your a plethora of wisdom don't tell me you don't know that.

As for my chair my DH reminded me that we have actually had this chair for 2 years. We have two computers both with different chairs that we share. The one chair has been around for around 12 years the chair with the problems and the one before it had the piston thingie go out on both of them. This one holds the air and stays up when it feels like it but if it wants to be tempermental it lets out all the air and gets so low to the ground my knees practically touch my chest. It irritates my siatica when it loses the air. The chair you bought sounds like a nice one. I need to ask Santa for a massage chair; now that would be nice. I also wouldn't doubt that my son jumps on the thing when we are not around. I have caught him using it as a ladder which is not a good idea since it has wheels maybe he was jumping on it then.

I just checked AT&T but they don't service our area. We have Verizon where we are.

As for my Kodak cameras (love it by the way) once I get the vista software I can get the pictures to download into my computer it is getting them from the computer over to Kodak or photobucket etc. My service is so slow that I am lucky to be able to download one picture in over an hour. I also have a card reader so it is actually easy to get them in the computer.

angwill, there is scant amount of 'vacation' even at DW. Think of what it would be like to take one elderly, cantankerous, autistic man anywhere and multiply that by however many days we go. There are moments in time when he can present himself as normal but there are always those, sudden moments, when all falls apart and outbursts happen. Having been married to him for a very long time I can see the symptoms coming most of the time and head them off, which makes me look like an overbearing bee atch. Left alone he can outdo the most sleep deprived two year old you have ever met. It is not a pretty sight. That pressure along with having the total care of house and everything else that goes into keeping a life going, doing all the preplanning, packing, driving, unpacking, endless requests for simple things like take a bath, comb your hair, get up, eat some veggies,take your medicine, be nice, etc. etc. etc. while doing what you need to do to keep yourself this side of sanity leaves little time or opportunity for 'vacation'. Once I get to DW it is nice to not have to clean the room or cook though. I try not to think about the long drive home, watching to make sure he does not shift the car into neutral once again or come up with some new twist, and then the unpacking etc. etc. just about plumb wears me out. He has a nice vacation though. Some days I contemplate the joys of the CP and Harlem Boy's Choir etc. and think it worthwhile but other days I just plain do not think I can handle it once again. If he gets sick down there he has me but if I get sick I have no one. Scary. I have friends who would come but I would hate to ask. Everyone has their issues.

The desk chair I am getting is an actual modern chair on a circle base that rocks, reclines and swivels with a footstool too. You must compute a lot to wear out a chair in only a year. I used a regular metal fold up chair when I was at my heaviest. You do not have such problems. Are you sure your kids are not using it for gymnastic equipment?

I hear you on the dial up. I only got fast speed last year and it makes a world of difference. AT&T is expanding its network out from towns sometimes. Have you checked for availability? My dd lives out in the boonies and she has a small local company. It costs $60 instead of the $15 I pay.

My Kodak camera is being replaced because the software stopped working and when I try to download from the site MS says it will crash my system as it has not passed their tests. I got a good deal on a Canon on Amazon. If the software does not work you might try getting a card reader and just download from that. I got a thumb drive reader for only $10. Small enough to easily haul around too.

SG/Linda

 

[angwill]

Wic,
Oh my goodness that is really sick to wish bad on your mother. I can only imagine what that neighbor thinks of your mil saying such a thing. She better just hope what she wished for your mother doesn't come back around on her. It sounds like your daughter is wise for her age so I am sure she will eventually put some distance between your mil and herself.

Kellie has been told the same thing, she has also been told that if gramma says anything bad about anyone in the family, she needs to tell us, or tell her to stop talking like that about so and so! I'm teaching her to nicely put gramma in her place at a very young age!

Kellie told me she heard gramma telling a neighbor that she hoped my mom died of her cancer, that way she wouldn't have to compete for Kellie's love anymore! How sad and pathetic is that???

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

angwill, I first heard the word Aspargers on a TV show I watch and the character did not resemble my husband at all but someone on the DIS, might have been YOU??, suggested that I did some research and it fit my husband to a tee. The sentence that really got to me was the fact that since most afflicted are male their spouses are often misunderstood because folks do not realize the stress caused by living with someone with such problems. Having worked with learning disabled children I have always known that Tom was not quite 'normal' but that did not greatly disturb me. I do not feel that book learning is superior to any other knowledge even though I have quite a bit of the former. It has been frustrating to know where the line is for what he is capable of and what he is not since he has often bragged about pretending to be dumb so that others would do a job for him. He is simply one of the laziest people I have ever met. If I did not put a plate of food in front of him a few times a day he would be content to eat packages of cookies or anything else that is at hand, as long as he does not actually have to go pick them out, stand in line and figure out how to pay for them. On the rare occasions when he wants to make a good impression he can and with folks that do not know him he can maintain the facade of normalcy since they have no idea that he is lying through his teeth about his accomplishments. At present he is a 'volunteer' at the Community Center. It is based on the fact that they asked if they could put his name on the rolls to bolster their application for funds. I have actually volunteered there for years. He tells me that my job is to take care of him and do all the work cause that is what he married me for. I am overworked and just plain wore out. Any tips so that I can keep what little sanity I have left??

LOL, I always tell my friends that they should ask for help when they need it. Trouble is all my friends are either 8 or 80. (It is difficult to maintain friendships in my circumstances, not like we can go out as couples or anything) I have a bil who would come but I would hate to have to ask. I have a sister who lives in Florida but she is single and does not like any stress or strain.

Vista sure has done wonders for the electronics industry. I love those Apple ads. They make me laugh and when things make me laugh I am tempted to buy but do not want to have to buy all new stuff. Hope your Kodak gets back up soon. I loved mine too but since it was faltering the software thing was just the last straw. I ordered a Canon from Amazon the other day. Got a great deal.

I told you someone was using your chair in inappropriate ways. lol Our local Office Max had an massaging desk chair for $129 the other day and I have a $25 coupon. I am not sure of the expiration date but if you can use it I will send it.

I asked my grandson to go to the dump with me today to help me but he was busy.

To the dump, to the dump, to the dump, dump, dump.

SG/Linda

 

[angwill]

Asperger's is just another word for high functioning autistic and they can usually blend really well with others but you can usually tell there is something that just isn't right with them. The Autistic spectrum is so wide that people with it are not the same but will have similar characteristics. I would think the hardest thing with Aspergers would be that they usually have a hard time understanding how others feel because they can't read faces very well and for the most part put their own feelings first because they can understand those. Some can lack a sense of humor because they just don't get it.

My son's friend has his own kind of humor that really isn't funny but more innapropriate he just doesn't get it that others don't think it's appropriate in most situations. He is also very possessive of his things. ex: My son asked to borrow a pen in class and after writing a word or two this boy insisted (loudly disturbing the class) that he give it back and when DS said he wasn't finished with it the boy had a meltdown in class over it (this was all verified with the teacher). Most things are very cut and dry with him. You have to be very blunt and to the point with him about things. My DS wrote him a note that he didn't want to be friends with him anymore after that happened and he went home and gave it to his mother who had a fit about how mean my DS was to hers. My DS really accepts everyone because I raised him that way. He is still friends with this boy but after that fiasco he is careful with him and friendly to him in school but not really interested in seeing him outside of school. I guarantee this boy does not even understand that DS pulled away and why.

If your DH has this he is probably already so set in his ways. I think sometimes family learn to just give them their way to avoid an argument the person just won't get anyway. It is a way to cope with it. I know you wrote about how he would just eat packaged foods if you didn't put something healthy in front of him. Only you know how deep that actually goes if it is a normal lazy or more than that and why should he make food for himself when he has you right. Just joking but sadly I bet that's how he thinks. Maybe a strike is in order after you make sure there are no pre packaged foods in the house.

Manipulation and lying are coping mechanisms. Like my mother with her agoraphobia she learned to lie, manipulate, and guilt people into helping her get the things she needs to survive without actually having to do them for herself. She also likes to brag about what a giving and forgiving person she is. I figure that is because somewhere deep inside she knows that she expects these qualities in others for her survival so if she can convince herself that she herself possesses those qualities then there is nothing wrong with what she is doing.

One thing I learned about mental differences is that we all have some characteristics of most diagnoses it is just to what degree we have them and how they effect our lives. When they start effecting home, work, and social interaction you might want to have it looked at and learn coping skills or behavior modifications to help. Then there are meds but I won't go into that.

I totally feel for you. I know when I had our one foster son nobody in the world could possibly understand what we went through with him unless they themselves were foster parents of a child with the problems this child had (attachment disorder was the worst of it) and if I even tried to explain to people they would think I was the crazy one since the things he did were just beyond comprehension.

You are right about being misunderstood as the spouse. Unless a person lives with someone similar they have no clue what it's like. You could complain about the laziness and the other person says yeah my DH is lazy too but her experience with lazy and yours are extreme opposites. Her DH might have to be told to come help with chores or even refuse to do certain things and yours just never comprehends what you say and ignores you. Sound familiar? She just won't get it because she could not comprehend the level you are talking about. Look at our conversations on DH's on this list. I talked about the things mine did thinking yeah I can totally relate but I finally realized that what you experience makes my DH look like a saint. I truely feel that the more you research the more you will come to understand just where your DH is coming from. As for book knowledge vs experiencing it there is no comparison. It's like looking at a picture of mountains and reading about them vs actually standing in front of that same mountain and exploring it.
After exploring the mountain reading the book about the mountain and/or someone elses experience at the mountain just helps you understand that mountain even more. KWIM

Good luck to you and if you need to talk pm me or call me. You do have my phone number from our meet right?

Angela

angwill, I first heard the word Aspargers on a TV show I watch and the character did not resemble my husband at all but someone on the DIS, might have been YOU??, suggested that I did some research and it fit my husband to a tee. The sentence that really got to me was the fact that since most afflicted are male their spouses are often misunderstood because folks do not realize the stress caused by living with someone with such problems. Having worked with learning disabled children I have always known that Tom was not quite 'normal' but that did not greatly disturb me. I do not feel that book learning is superior to any other knowledge even though I have quite a bit of the former. It has been frustrating to know where the line is for what he is capable of and what he is not since he has often bragged about pretending to be dumb so that others would do a job for him. He is simply one of the laziest people I have ever met. If I did not put a plate of food in front of him a few times a day he would be content to eat packages of cookies or anything else that is at hand, as long as he does not actually have to go pick them out, stand in line and figure out how to pay for them. On the rare occasions when he wants to make a good impression he can and with folks that do not know him he can maintain the facade of normalcy since they have no idea that he is lying through his teeth about his accomplishments. At present he is a 'volunteer' at the Community Center. It is based on the fact that they asked if they could put his name on the rolls to bolster their application for funds. I have actually volunteered there for years. He tells me that my job is to take care of him and do all the work cause that is what he married me for. I am overworked and just plain wore out. Any tips so that I can keep what little sanity I have left??

LOL, I always tell my friends that they should ask for help when they need it. Trouble is all my friends are either 8 or 80. (It is difficult to maintain friendships in my circumstances, not like we can go out as couples or anything) I have a bil who would come but I would hate to have to ask. I have a sister who lives in Florida but she is single and does not like any stress or strain.

Vista sure has done wonders for the electronics industry. I love those Apple ads. They make me laugh and when things make me laugh I am tempted to buy but do not want to have to buy all new stuff. Hope your Kodak gets back up soon. I loved mine too but since it was faltering the software thing was just the last straw. I ordered a Canon from Amazon the other day. Got a great deal.

I told you someone was using your chair in inappropriate ways. lol Our local Office Max had an massaging desk chair for $129 the other day and I have a $25 coupon. I am not sure of the expiration date but if you can use it I will send it.

I asked my grandson to go to the dump with me today to help me but he was busy.

To the dump, to the dump, to the dump, dump, dump.

SG/Linda

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

angwill, you will never know what you have done for me with this post. Everything you said hit so close to home. I feel like you have given me more insight into what is going on. There is a certain amount of relief in knowing that Tom actually has a disease that he is not totally responsible for. I wish I were a better person and could cope more. Maybe if I got more sleep I could. You summed it up so perfectly in that I have to tell him, strongly, what to do. Please does not work.


Just having someone to understand helps so very much, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to write this. So much truth. I am going to print this out so that I can read it again when needed.

Knowing how much to demand that he do for himself and when it is alright to do something for myself is an ever constant moral quandary. I have been so frustrated by the few people I have tried to explain this situation to poo pooing me and have often considered that it IS my fault somehow. I am sure that some is, as I ain't 'prefect'.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

SG/Linda

 

[angwill]

Glad I could help. I never know when I just say too much and need to keep quiet. Can I suggest you find a group like this one that deals with Asperger's? You will learn through the list coping mechanisms from people who understand.

As for being a better person. You are a wonderful person and a lot better than another person who would have kicked him to the curb a long time ago.

Don't let others opinions get you down. It is human nature to be opinionated and those opinions are usually said out of ignorance. Think of all the parents of autistic children who were told for years by the so called experts that they were ice box moms who didn't love their children enough and that is why they have autism which nowadays they know is so far from the truth.
Think of how many people see those parents with their children out in public and think to themselves or even comment out loud how bad those parents must be when the child melts down from too much stimulation. It is a hidden problem since you can't see it on their face like down syndrome they must be just like everyone else and expected to behave like everyone else too.

I'm off my soap box now. I am glad I could help.

Angela

 

[ANTSS2001]

Hi peeps... I am just here.. had not kept up with the boards though... been soul searching and getting edgy with the surgery.... but I do have daily updates with my blog via cell phone.. http://antss2001.blogspot.com everytime I have a down time crying time and mad time I do send a message or a pic of me... btw I cut my hair... why ?? I was so frustrated last Monday and since I know I cannot control anything else.. I chooped my hair off and btw I lost 16 lbs... not alot but a start... from 210 to 194

Have a nice thanksgiving peeps... I missed chattin with all of you but right now I will be a bore for you anyways... take care always...

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Timmie, congratulations on the HUGE weight loss, assuming you did it on purpose and are not hurting. Making it to ONEderland (what we call those lucky enough to be under 200#'s). That is quite an accomplishment and since I do not remember you as being all that big to begin with I am sure it is a major difference. I am so sorry that you are having such a hard time with the surgery. I know it will be a relief to have it over. I never have time to obsess over surgery as I am usually wheeled into the emergency room and right into surgery with no time to think about it at all. Bet your hair looks cute on you.

angwill, I am so very desperate for information on this subject that you cannot say too much. I have searched and searched for support groups of spouses with the problem and only found one. It was in England and had a charge. It has just gotten worse since retirement as it is unremitting and constant. I used to have a few hours to get my work done and even have a tiny bit of a life. No more. I am a responsible person and not at all the type to give up on a person because they are less than perfect. If only my family felt that way about me. My sense of humor is dark and lifesaving, mine.

I am digging up lilies today. I get out of breath easily so it will be an all day job I fear. There is a corner of my yard that is just crying out for a water pond area. Maybe next year, if I can figure out how to build one.

Working outside away from having to see Tom sit there, day after day, has become a welcome distraction. Now I understand why my mil let her house go to wrack and ruin while her gardens were perfection.

SG/Linda

 

[Kaler131]

It is a wonderful thing to have difficult relatives though cause every family has one and if you do not, it might be YOU! SG/Linda

LOL....so true!

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Kaler131, it takes one to know one ya know?

Definition of a Buckeye - - -- A worthless nut!

Originally from Athens myself, how about you?

SG/Linda