Sensitive Subject: Overweight Kids at Disney and in USA in General

Originally posted by peachgirl
thank goodness there are people in this world who don't think the most important aspect of another person is whether or not you'd like to have sex with them!

1. Might try rereading my original post (one page back). I prefaced my comments right from the beginning as pertaining to "sexually attractive," not "attractive" in general; I didn't comment on the relative importance of the two, and this is a weight thread, not a worthiness of the heart thread

2. But, I actually think your point is worth reconsidering, because marriage and intimate interpersonal relationships grow to be fairly empty unless you want to have sex with that person, and you don't need to be "attracted" to your friends, per se, at least not per my personal definition of attracted

3. And, if you think my views on attractiveness are shallow... they are mild, compared to the typical male point of view.

4. But, like I said earlier, I'm not embarrassed to directly state that I think women of average weight or skinnier live more pleasant, confident lives, especially in their 20s or 30s, and I think it's worth the energy to try and be normal weight or smaller, if only because it keeps you from being at a disadvantage relative to other people in terms of physical comfort, employment, promotions, first impressions, choice of clothing, and mating. We can control so little in this life, but we can control our weights for our own benefit, and all the better.
 
"True. Let me know when it changes to mean "obese." I have a feeling I will be waiting a while."

I don't know...if you check out some of the Boticelli stuff those women could be considered obese.

As far as I'm concerned, different strokes for different folks. There are some men who are sexually excited by women whom you term obese. When I was young I was even lucky enough to meet a couple of them or should I say they were lucky enough to meet me ;)

Personally I love seeing the look on someone's face when they realize that I have a brain in spite of my weight. All it takes is one or two conversations with someone for them to realize that I am not a stupid person and adjust their perceptions accordingly.
 
Though the thread has evolved into something more before I got a chance to respond, I'll post my thoughts anyways =)

I have been so surprised at the amount of people that come on the DIS boards asking about childrens menu items, stating their children wont eat anything but chicken fingers, pizza, or mac and cheese. Though I love all three of those things, I consider them all to be unhealthy and junk. Is that really all their children will eat? It amazes me that so many parents let their children choose their own diet!

My SIL has allowed my 3.5 yo nephew to do just this. He refuses to eat ANYTHING but chicken nuggets, ketchup, and chips. Really. At only 3, he's already having health issues and her doc is begging her to change his diet. At Thanksgiving, he ate NOTHING because Mickey D's wasn't open and he wouldn't touch anything else. We hosted dinner at our house, and they drove through MCdonalds on the way for him. They simply accomodate him.

Are more and more parents allowing their children to choose their own meals? Do you find this in your area? I have found it ALOT in my area, with friends and family that I associate with... and children I have taught. Then, I have seen it on this board all the time... parents wanting to go to Ohana but wanting chicken fingers for their kids... so maybe its not just my friends? LOL

In addition to all the great reasons others stated about childhood obesity in this country, I think that this is also a MAJOR reason why children are becoming that way. They are choosing their meals, in many cases. I smiled when I read that some of your children substitute fries for veggies! What a great thought! I hope other parents follow suit... =)
 
I let both of my children pick what they want to eat.

When DS was younger he would only eat Chicken Nuggets, Mac-n-Cheese, etc. Now he eats quite a large variety of regular foods and prefers not to eat fast food. I don't let him pick the menu, he eats what DH and I eat although I will make what he likes.

DD only eats a few foods, fast food being one of them, and is thin as a rail. I let her pick what she wants. I also let her decide when she is done. She knows when she is full and should be the one to decide that. Many times that means throwing away food but I'd rather that she learn to eat based on her body's signals not on my concerns as a mom.
 

I think teaching kids good eating habits is so much more important than teaching them to be thin. My niece (11) and nephew (13) are both overweight and unfortunately, it appears that they've never been taught when to say when since they typically go for seconds and thirds at family gatherings before most have had their firsts but I love 'em all the same. They each have only 1 or 2 friends and it pulls at my heart strings when they get shunned by the kids at school, in scouts, etc. My gut says that it probably has more to do with their attitude about food and other compulsive behaviors than their actual weight though.

My DD (5) and DS (2) both eat very well for their ages. I hear stories about the kids that won't eat anything but (insert whatever food here) and I know I'm lucky. Note the term lucky since I in no way shape or form think parents of picky eaters are "bad" parents.

My kids will eat chili, mushrooms, veggies, sauerkraut, whatever. I once caught them both sitting in the middle of the kitchen eating a bag of frozen veggies :p I have always just given them a plate of whatever I was serving for dinner and including a portion of everything I had made on their plate even when they protested. Sometimes they'll eat only the meat, or only the potatoes, but at one time or another they have tried most everything and started eating it. Like ripleysmom though, I don't mind at all throwing food away and let them decide when they're full.

The only thing I can think of that they've turned down repeatedly is cole slaw...like I said, I'm pretty lucky.

I'm teaching my kids what I think are good eating habits but also teaching them compassion and tolerance for others. I really hope that my kids never get the message that what's on the outside is more important than what's on the inside.
 
Picky eaters do not always outgrow their habits. I have a cousin in his forties. Recently my sister got married. There was a buffet dinner where it would be harder to list what was not on the table than to list what was. Despite all that variety, my cousin slipped away from the reception to go to McDonald's to eat.

The whole family has always felt sorry for him. We always think of how many times he must find himself in an awkward social situation because he is literally unable to eat "normal" food.

When I was a child, the rule in my house was you have to try it. You are allowed to dislike it, but you must taste it before deciding.
 
Sadly, fast food has become the alternative to real food. For some it's just easier to drive through and get your food at a window in 5 minutes then it is to cook food which would take 30-45 minutes! There was an independent movie made about this (which i'm surprised no one has mentioned yet) found here:

http://festival.sundance.org/filmguide/popup.aspx?film=F5331

Although I have yet to see this, I will as soon as I can and let you all know how it turns out. I've been keeping tabs on this movie since being in-production and i'm just waiting to be able to see it

*EDIT*
here's another link for some more info on the movie:

http://www.filmthreat.com/Reviews.asp?Id=5496
 
Originally posted by Aimeedyan
Though the thread has evolved into something more before I got a chance to respond, I'll post my thoughts anyways =)

I have been so surprised at the amount of people that come on the DIS boards asking about childrens menu items, stating their children wont eat anything but chicken fingers, pizza, or mac and cheese. Though I love all three of those things, I consider them all to be unhealthy and junk. Is that really all their children will eat? It amazes me that so many parents let their children choose their own diet!

My SIL has allowed my 3.5 yo nephew to do just this. He refuses to eat ANYTHING but chicken nuggets, ketchup, and chips. Really. At only 3, he's already having health issues and her doc is begging her to change his diet. At Thanksgiving, he ate NOTHING because Mickey D's wasn't open and he wouldn't touch anything else. We hosted dinner at our house, and they drove through MCdonalds on the way for him. They simply accomodate him.

Are more and more parents allowing their children to choose their own meals? Do you find this in your area? I have found it ALOT in my area, with friends and family that I associate with... and children I have taught. Then, I have seen it on this board all the time... parents wanting to go to Ohana but wanting chicken fingers for their kids... so maybe its not just my friends? LOL

In addition to all the great reasons others stated about childhood obesity in this country, I think that this is also a MAJOR reason why children are becoming that way. They are choosing their meals, in many cases. I smiled when I read that some of your children substitute fries for veggies! What a great thought! I hope other parents follow suit... =)

You make some good points. We're fortunate that DD has a generally healthy diet and doesn't enjoy most typical kids foods. While we do give her choices and encourage her to participate in meal planning we don't give her free reign to choose what she'll eat. DD is quite small and slender and will probably always be. There are times when I've been tempted to let her have all she wanted of fattening but unhealthy food just to put some meat on her bones.

My 2 nieces (sisters) are my inspiration in how we handle food with DD. My older niece has always been a good eater and generally picks healthy foods and snacks. Her sister on the other hand was a preemie that has never been that interested in food. Because of her disinterest in eating her parents gave her free reign over what she'd eat and when she'd eat it. At 10 yo she's still small for her age and will probably always be but she has the worst eating habits.

As far as the reason for this thread yes I do think there is a problem in our country and I'm concerned for anyone who's at a point where their weight is jepardizing their life. However, I'm not going to judge someone because of their size or use it as a excuse for being rude.
 
Originally posted by danacara
I then realized that looks matter in this world to a degree exceeding your intelligence, in a lot of cases. Sexually attractive people live better lives. They are simply treated better. They get hired with greater ease. They get promoted faster. They get a huge bolt of confidence from the admiring glances of others when they go out. They get good-looking clothes because they can shop in normal sizes. They do not pay for things that most other people pay for (lots of free food at restaurants, for example). They are not embarrassed to be outgoing. Perhaps most importantly, they don't give themselves any obstacles to doing the best they can do in this life. They make themselves as competitive as they can be. Is it superficial? Absolutely. But by living a good life on superficial measures, you free up the emotional space to live a good life on the measures that really matter, and I respect that. I wanted to be part of that. So I lost 50 lbs on Weight Watchers and now I, pardon my French, bust my a** to keep the weight off. It's made a huge difference in my life.

I guess what puzzles me about this is that I'm a really fat person (6'1", 300 lbs). I've had great jobs. I've never had trouble finding a date. I get "hit on" frequently. I dress well, in clothes that fit and flatter me. I'm not the least bit embarrassed to be outgoing, and the very very last thing I consider an obstacle in my life is my weight.

The weird thing is, when I was younger and thinner (around 165 lbs), I felt much, much worse about myself, even though, according to your summary above, I should've been with the "in crowd" and my life was better and easier then than it is now--which is totally not the case.

I think that a lot of what you credit with being thinner is really more a matter of believing those things about yourself. For you, you couldn't feel that way until you lost the weight, and then those seemingly closed doors opened for you. For me, I think I just reached a point where I was tired of feeling "less than" and consciously decided to change how I felt about me. I decided to see the beauty--the physical beauty--of my body exactly as it is. And there's a lot about it I like. It wasn't like this happened overnight. It took a while, but now I do believe about myself that not only am I a worthwhile and attractive *person*, but I have an attractive body as well. And that seemed to change how other people felt about me. I'm not saying either way is more valid. I guess I'm just saying that weight loss isn't the ONLY way you can be attractive or feel attractive.

Mind you, I'm not delusional. I'm fully aware that there are people out there who find me not only unattractive, but repulsive, because of my size. (And if I hadn't been before, I would surely be aware now after this thread.) However, I also know that this is true for ANY body type, it isn't exclusive to fat people. I worked with a man who thought Shania Twain was hideous (this was back when I was thin, too, so I don't think he was just trying to be 'kind' to me.). A good friend of mine's husband thinks Sarah Jessica Parker is the most unattractive woman he's ever seen. Most women would *love* to look like either of these stars, but it doesn't automatically mean everyone's going to find them attractive.

As a side note, I'm also a very healthy person. I'm active, I walk a lot (including at WDW), I do eat a lot, but try to incorporate healthy foods into my diet. My weight has remained exactly the same for 2 years now (for the 10 years before that, it wasn't uncommon for me to go down AND up 70 lbs or more in a year). I have normal cholesterol, and actually slightly-low blood pressure. My doctor never, ever tells me I need to lose weight (and she's a size 6, I would guess) although we have discussed that if I start to have obesity-related health issues, we'll discuss it then but for now, my body is serving me well.

Neither of my children are obese (bringing it back on-topic now, whew!). One is a string bean--you can practically count his ribs through his shirt--and the other is exactly Height/Weight proportionate, according to the doctor's charts. I'm really not sure how much of a "problem" childhood obesity--or obesity in general--truly is. I don't think there has been enough valid research on it to make any solid conclusions. Actually, there's an article I read a few months ago about that very fact: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113975,00.html . Kinda interesting stuff there, if you want to look at it.

I'd resolved not to get involved in this thread, but I guess this is a hot button for me....it makes me very sad that so many fat women (and I'm sure men, but less so) feel like they are physically unattractive and this then presents barriers in other parts of their lives. Just offering an alternative viewpoint, that you can be fat, happy, and have a positive body image.
 
Two questions for the OP of this thread: Did you happen to see those overweight kids at Disney chugging down soda from refillable mugs? Did they look like future linebackers?

Just curious.
 
oooh! I just have to tell this story. I am overweight, a size 18 right now (was a size 22 about 1 1/2 years ago, yea for me!). I make no excuse for myself, I know I am fat; but trying to help myself. Anyway, I shop at this great store where I can get some really cool clothes, and instead of saying "plus size" I say "fat people clothes". I get a lot of stares from the other big people (some even smaller then me), and was even asked to leave the store one day because I offened someone! Can you belive that?! A fat person offened another fat person over a fat issue. lol
 
Originally posted by JerseyJanice
Two questions for the OP of this thread: Did you happen to see those overweight kids at Disney chugging down soda from refillable mugs? Did they look like future linebackers?

The same kids that have the parents chain smoking while filling their refillable mugs with soft serve ice cream?
 
I used to wear a size WP16, women's petite for thoes who are as cluless as I was. I could never figure out what WP mean, I just knew it was a perfect section for me to find clothes. I finally came to the conclusion that it stood for wide people.

So if you think asking for Fat clothes gets you a look...try asking for the Wide People section.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
So if you think asking for Fat clothes gets you a look...try asking for the Wide People section.

OMG. Thats funny! I had to laugh for a few at that one. Never heard that before.....or thought of it.
 
Bedknobbery2 -- thanks for posting that, because to be completely honest, I was actually not wanting to go on my trip next week to WDW. We are doing a land/sea package, and I was already worried about what everyone else would think. I am overweight, but I am not morbidly obese either. I am not someone that people would look at and go "oh my god" over. I am just overweight. I have not always been overweight myself. I got preeclampsia when I was pregnant, and gained 60 pounds in one month and have been battleing it every since. So i guess that is why I am so self conscious. This thread made me feel 110 x worse about myself. I am nervous to go to WDW and have in the back of my mind that people are thinking bad things about me. I am in the same boat you are though, my daughter is a string bean, and we eat very healthy. We also are very active. We both ski, hike, backpack, mountain bike, etc. So inside, I am healthy too. I have no weight issues and am medically in great health. I just wanted to thank you because, although I still do not feel good about myself right now, I feel better than I did a couple days ago because of this thread
 
immalemon-Go and have fun! This thread really bothered me for a while but I realized that there are hateful people wherever you go. If people are rude enough to stare at you, just think that they are jealous that they are not having as much fun as you!

Have a great time on your trip!
 
Absolutely GO, and walk proud knowing you are not one of the poor judgemental people out there. We all recognize that there is a reason for their behavior, even if they don't.
 














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