Secret ballots for union workers

HakunaMatata2

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This issue keeps working itself in the daily news. The Senate is currently weighing whether or not to remove secret ballots from union workers. The Unions are not in favor of secret ballots and are doing some serious lobbying to see that the Senate deals with this in their favor.
I think that employees should be able to vote secretly about union issues and not subject to intimidation by unions and cannot not even believe that the Democratic Senate is even considering this.
 
Secret ballets are important stop intimidation if you can do that. A show of hands can be forced.
 
I think that employees should be able to vote secretly about union issues and not subject to intimidation by unions and cannot not even believe that the Democratic Senate is even considering this.

You better believe it. The ironically named "card check protection" legislation will be among the first laws passed under an Obama Administration. He's got to reward his union backers.
 
Even George McGovern is against this law. Have you seen his commercials?
 

Thin edge of the wedge. "Take care how you vote, I know where you live."

Someone (BO supporter) posted the other day that they didn't think that the Presidential election should be a secret ballot either.

What was the old joke about the South American country having to postpone the vote because the results had been stolen!

ford family
 
I think that employees should be able to vote secretly about union issues and not subject to intimidation by unions...

So do I. If my company decided to go union and wanted to have an election over it, you better believe I'd want it secret. Not that I care about intimidation, I'd say "Bring it on," the more reason for me to not vote union (like I would ever vote union :rotfl2: ). However, there are those people out there that do not want the attention brought upon themselves for voting against union and should be able to vote in secret.

...and cannot not even believe that the Democratic Senate is even considering this.

I can. Unions are some of their biggest supporters.
 
George McGovern's op-ed:

As a congressman, senator and one-time Democratic nominee for the presidency, I've participated in my share of vigorous public debates over issues of great consequence. And the public has been free to accept or reject the decisions I made when they walked into a ballot booth, drew the curtain and cast their vote. I didn't always win, but I always respected the process.

Voting is an immense privilege.

That is why I am concerned about a new development that could deny this freedom to many Americans. As a longtime friend of labor unions, I must raise my voice against pending legislation I see as a disturbing and undemocratic overreach not in the interest of either management or labor.

The legislation is called the Employee Free Choice Act, and I am sad to say it runs counter to ideals that were once at the core of the labor movement. Instead of providing a voice for the unheard, EFCA risks silencing those who would speak.

The key provision of EFCA is a change in the mechanism by which unions are formed and recognized. Instead of a private election with a secret ballot overseen by an impartial federal board, union organizers would simply need to gather signatures from more than 50% of the employees in a workplace or bargaining unit, a system known as "card-check." There are many documented cases where workers have been pressured, harassed, tricked and intimidated into signing cards that have led to mandatory payment of dues.

Under EFCA, workers could lose the freedom to express their will in private, the right to make a decision without anyone peering over their shoulder, free from fear of reprisal.

There's no question that unions have done much good for this country. Their tenacious efforts have benefited millions of workers and helped build a strong middle class. They gave workers a new voice and pushed for laws that protect individuals from unfair treatment. They have been a friend to the Democratic Party, and so I oppose this legislation respectfully and with care.

To my friends supporting EFCA I say this: We cannot be a party that strips working Americans of the right to a secret-ballot election. We are the party that has always defended the rights of the working class. To fail to ensure the right to vote free of intimidation and coercion from all sides would be a betrayal of what we have always championed.

Some of the most respected Democratic members of Congress -- including Reps. Marcy Kaptur of Ohio, George Miller and Pete Stark of California, and Barney Frank of Massachusetts -- have advised that workers in developing countries such as Mexico insist on the secret ballot when voting as to whether or not their workplaces should have a union. We should have no less for employees in our country.

I worry that there has been too little discussion about EFCA's true ramifications, and I think much of the congressional support is based on a desire to give our friends among union leaders what they want. But part of being a good steward of democracy means telling our friends "no" when they press for a course that in the long run may weaken labor and disrupt a tried and trusted method for conducting honest elections.

While it is never pleasant to stand against one's party or one's friends, there are times when such actions are necessary -- as with my early and lonely opposition to the Vietnam War. I hope some of my friends in Congress will re-evaluate their support for this legislation. Because as Americans, we should strive to ensure that all of us enjoy the freedom of expression and freedom from fear that is our ideal and our right.

Mr. McGovern is a former senator from South Dakota and the 1972 Democratic presidential candidate.
 
So do I. If my company decided to go union and wanted to have an election over it, you better believe I'd want it secret. Not that I care about intimidation, I'd say "Bring it on," the more reason for me to not vote union (like I would ever vote union :rotfl2: ). However, there are those people out there that do not want the attention brought upon themselves for voting against union and should be able to vote in secret.



I can. Unions are some of their biggest supporters.

The member of unions are also voters. Wouldn't they feel betrayed by those Senate members supporting such a bill and wouldn't this affect future votes for Senators from these members? It just seems intimidating to me that our legislators would even think about removing a secret ballot from any American.
 
Hey, the Democrats "have to start somewhere!" If they hope to take real control of this country they need to intimidate the voters. What's next? Vote for Obama and find out or vote for McCain and not have to worry.

Funny thing, though... I thought the Democrats were fond of secrets... :rolleyes:
 
The AFL-CIO website says this has broad bipartisan support! They only list 6 Republicans! :lmao:
 
Someone (BO supporter) posted the other day that they didn't think that the Presidential election should be a secret ballot either.

really? I missed that gem.
 
Hmmmmmmm.

The Union I belong to has no issues with secret ballots. Seems intuitive to me. To try and make it otherwise.........? Uh-uh.
 
Secret Ballots = Democracy
Non Secret Ballots = Socialism
 
Hey, the Democrats "have to start somewhere!" If they hope to take real control of this country they need to intimidate the voters. What's next? Vote for Obama and find out or vote for McCain and not have to worry.

Funny thing, though... I thought the Democrats were fond of secrets... :rolleyes:

Maybe they are only fond of secrets when its concerning themselves.:lmao:
 
The member of unions are also voters.


The unions assume that our votes are already in the bag for the Democrats, regardless of this vote or any other single issue. They send out their "voting guides" fully anticipating that we have already planned to do whatever they are going to direct us to do. :dance3:

It's a big problem and is directly connected to the idea behind this legislation - that the union is best for the workers, even if that truth has to be pointed out to them by the union itself. Unions are not based on the notion of the decision-making skills of the individual. If they were, maybe they'd be called uniques! :rotfl:
 
I find how ANYONE, outside of Union leadership, could support this legislation totally mind boggling. As it stands now signing your card asking for a union vote and doesn't betray your position on whether to unionize or not, it simply is "asking for a vote". You can sign your card, and then vote "no".... and no one, union organizers or company management, would be any the wiser.

If the change goes into effect, BOTH union organizers as well as management could/will know who to put the squeeze on. Who wins would be the side that can convince or intimidate 51% of the employees into signing, or not signing, their cards openly. Who in their right mind wants to be pressured like that from both warring factions??? But apparently the Unions think they'll be able to persuade enough workers to carry the day if will know who to target.
 
I think this is a very upsetting precedent. I don't understand why any union member would want to give up his right to a secret ballot and be put under all that pressure from the union and their employer. I understand the benefit to the union organizers, but don't know why any member would want this.
 
I understand the benefit to the union organizers, but don't know why any member would want this.
I think if the rank-and-file members were polled (in secret, anyway) they'd likely oppose it... but it's not the rank-and-file that's supporting this change, it's the leadership.

There has been great turmoil within the labor movement about the fact that union membership has slipped to something like 7% of the total work force. Unions have split with the AFL-CIO in recent years over the accusation of the old-guard not doing enough to spread union membership. One of the splinter unions, United Food and Commercial Workers, had hoped that their efforts to unionize Wal-Mart would succeed and give them a dues war-chest to launch the second American labor revolution, but that hasn't fared so well. The proposed "card check" change sounds like a sure-fire Plan B.
 


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