SDFP... Here now. Works! *Read Post #48 and Post #671*

[mousefan73]

Hello,
New to thee type of threads and SDFP.. We have never used them in the past..I am also kicking myself for NOT making this years package under a different MDE.

I have some questions..

My friend has a trip booked for end of July.. has FPs booked for this with their MDE account.. A family of 4. their first trip.
We are a family of four who has magic bands from the last 2 years ( different MDE account, not linked ). Our trip is in August.

Can I give my friend our old MBs from last year.. From my understanding he can then go up to the kiosks and book same day FPs using our MDs/ profile, but this will NOT affect my MDE accounts???

When my trips comes, can I take his set and use them for say day FPs???

Another question.. Do CMs realize people are doing this? and will we get kicked out?? There is an ethical thing to this..


Is there anywhere infos on how to use the kiosks for this?

thanks!

 

[jenkel]

Sometimes people print a paper ticket that they exchange at guest services or at the turnstiles for a plastic card. You don't have a plastic ticket. So you have paper tickets/printouts that you'll eventually be exchanging for admission (at which time you'll get the plastic card)? Or do you have virtual entitlements for admission? So were the ticketed guests planning to use their MBs to access the ticket entitlements?

The reason this is important is that if you reassign the tickets to a phantom who has no MBs, how will you access the FP+ you book for those tickets?

I keep rereading to come up with a plan. The tickets are in my MDE account, I was going to buy 4 magic bands resign the tickets to phantom names to use that way. which I think I can do fastpasses 60 days out? After we return home I was going to resign the ticket back to the original name holders (we don't plan on using those tickets anytime soon as we typically just book a package)

Will this work?

 

[eagles]

I have another question about this. This is from the other side though, I have 8 MB'S plus tickets already linked for a trip in Aug. I have friends that want to try this. Can they use my MB's and go down now? Will they beable to make FP+ ahead of time or will they need to use them for SDFP? Will any of this screw up my selections for our trip in Aug?

 

[disneydeal]

I just want to make sure that I understand this SDFP MagicBands/Phantom MDE account correctly...

So
1. I create a separate MDE account with a different email address. (Account would have our names but slightly different spelling??)
2. I get four magic bands from disney store.
3. Enter the park with magic bands that have tickets linked. Leave SDFP magic bands in the bag.
4. Go to a FP+ kiosk in the park, scan all four SDFP magic bands and pick my extra 3 FP+ from the kiosk.....

Did I get it right??

Does the name I make up for the new ones really matter? I mean my daughter can be Jessica, Sam, Amber. Doesn't matter right? Same with my name I put on the fake magic bands without tickets linked? I mean the fake account I make up with new email won't ever be really used after this... Am I wrong? And when I make up new account with new email I'm not actually making a fake reservation or anything right?

 

[ScrapYap]

Yes, you can reassign the tickets when you get back.

Does the name I make up for the new ones really matter? I mean my daughter can be Jessica, Sam, Amber. Doesn't matter right? Same with my name I put on the fake magic bands without tickets linked? I mean the fake account I make up with new email won't ever be really used after this... Am I wrong? And when I make up new account with new email I'm not actually making a fake reservation or anything right?

If you're not planning to make a real reservation on the other MDE, you don't have to make a separate MDE. Just make the phantoms on your main MDE. The names can be literally anything. It can be helpful for future reference, planning, ticket reassigning, etc., if you choose alter egos that you can identify as yourself, daughter, etc. This will make it much easier to reassign tickets and look at SDFP+.

You only really need a separate MDE if you're making a new reservation - and you don't want the new bands to be clones of the old.

 

[marciemi]

Okay, I'm going to answer what I can of these while I wait for Hiro or ScrapYap to weigh in - I'll kind of be working backwards through the questions.

1. If you look at the linked post above in the title (#671), I did a picture tutorial of how to do SDFP at the kiosks. Only difference now is that at that point you could make changes on your phone to the SDFP's - they've since changed that. You can still view them (assuming they were linked to your MDE in the first place) but all changes must be made at the kiosk.

2. @mousefan73 - for sure you can use your friend's old MB's for SDFP's since your trip is after his. You cannot book them in advance since there won't be any ticket entitlements remaining. Similarly @eagles - you can use your friends' if they want to give you their MB's after their trip (which I realize isn't what you were asking).

3. For sure in the alternate situations you both ask about, your friends will not be able to book FPP's in advance using your old MB's (linked to current active tickets) if you have already booked FPP's for all of your upcoming days. You are limited to the number of days on the tickets so if you have for example a 5 day ticket and booked 5 days of FPP's, they can't book more without cancelling yours.

4. What I am NOT certain of is if they can still be used for SDFP's without affecting your already booked FPP's for a later trip. I would "think" they would, but personally wouldn't take the chance of someone messing up my FPP's in that case. I thought someone had tested this in the past but I've never personally been willing to risk it. I also would be afraid my friends might scan the wrong bands when they walked in. I just wouldn't take the chance. Curious what others would say/think though.

5. Finally, there is no way you will be kicked out or get in trouble for this. The vast majority of CM's won't understand what you're trying to do and the handful that do won't care or at worst might roll their eyes. You're far more likely to have issues with a CM trying to be overly helpful (and say volunteering to link tickets for you that you don't want linked) than to notice or care what you're doing from a negative perspective. Many guests come in the park without FPP's already made and what you'll be doing just looks like what they do. Now that most can be done from your phone, I've found over the last 2 months that there are fewer CM's at the kiosks than in the past and that they really don't volunteer to help unless you ask for it.

Good luck and hoping @hiroMYhero or @ScrapYap know more about #4 than I do.

Hello,
New to thee type of threads and SDFP.. We have never used them in the past..I am also kicking myself for NOT making this years package under a different MDE.

I have some questions..

My friend has a trip booked for end of July.. has FPs booked for this with their MDE account.. A family of 4. their first trip.
We are a family of four who has magic bands from the last 2 years ( different MDE account, not linked ). Our trip is in August.

Can I give my friend our old MBs from last year.. From my understanding he can then go up to the kiosks and book same day FPs using our MDs/ profile, but this will NOT affect my MDE accounts???

When my trips comes, can I take his set and use them for say day FPs???

Another question.. Do CMs realize people are doing this? and will we get kicked out?? There is an ethical thing to this..


Is there anywhere infos on how to use the kiosks for this?

thanks!

I have another question about this. This is from the other side though, I have 8 MB'S plus tickets already linked for a trip in Aug. I have friends that want to try this. Can they use my MB's and go down now? Will they beable to make FP+ ahead of time or will they need to use them for SDFP? Will any of this screw up my selections for our trip in Aug?

 

[ScrapYap]

I have another question about this. This is from the other side though, I have 8 MB'S plus tickets already linked for a trip in Aug. I have friends that want to try this. Can they use my MB's and go down now? Will they beable to make FP+ ahead of time or will they need to use them for SDFP? Will any of this screw up my selections for our trip in Aug?

You can only prebook FP+ for the number of days for which you have tickets. Obviously you've already used all FP+ prebook options for your own trip. You would have to cancel all of your August FP+ to allow your friends to prebook now to use the FP+ from your profiles for their trip. After they used those FP+, you could prebook your own FP+ all over again - inevitably with less desirable choices. Not something that many people would choose to do, even for a best friend. But it's an option.

You could allow them to borrow your MBs, but this is a possible friendship-wrecker, given that you have tickets linked. What if one of the friend's group got confused and used your MB to enter a park? Since your tickets are at this point unused and not biometrically linked to you, your friend would succeed in inadvertently activating your ticket - which would cause the clock to start ticking on it and the eight days would run out the hourglass like so much sand, leaving you ticketless for August for that band. If they were going to Disney *after* you, it would be no problem to let them borrow your bands for SDFP. The risk-benefit ratio isn't worth it, if you ask me. If they really want SDFP, they can buy some bands for $13 each.

 

[ScrapYap]

4. What I am NOT certain of is if they can still be used for SDFP's without affecting your already booked FPP's for a later trip.

They can and the prebooked FPs will be fine. But I agree with you -- way too risky to hand over "loaded" bands to anyone.

 

[ScrapYap]

Can I give my friend our old MBs from last year.. From my understanding he can then go up to the kiosks and book same day FPs using our MDs/ profile, but this will NOT affect my MDE accounts???

Another question.. Do CMs realize people are doing this? and will we get kicked out?? There is an ethical thing to this..

Is there anywhere infos on how to use the kiosks for this?

thanks!

As Marcie said, you can lend your old MBs to your friend to use for SDFP. Since you don't have tickets currently linked, there's nothing to risk.

Booking a set of SDFP is not illegal. You're not hacking into any software or hardware. You're using the kiosk system the way it was designed to work - to allow a band or card, tapped at a kiosk, to choose a set of FP (whether or not you also have another set on another band).

If you look inside your MB, you'll see (magnifying glass possibly required!) printed the following statement:"If this band includes admission rights, it is a nontransferable ticket and must be used by the same person on all days." So let's say you purchase four MBs to obtain SDFP. There are no admission rights. In other words, MBs themselves are transferable. The admission rights are not. If you entered a park with someone else's annual pass, you would be thrown out of the park. You would not be thrown out of the park for using someone else's MB for FP. FP have no monetary value. Obviously Disney knows about SDFP. They also know how many extra sets of MBs they've sold for SDFP.

As with many issues, even those of enormous gravity, pertaining to life and death, good people don't all agree on ethical judgments. If you feel that it's unethical to use the kiosks in this way, you shouldn't use them.

The ethical question is subjective and potentially divisive, which is why we don't debate it here. What we can perhaps agree on is that Disney has set up a modern park experience that severely penalizes the unprepared. Restaurant choices should be made 6 months prior. Rides and character greetings should be chosen 60 days (or if you're particularly good at planning, 70 days) prior. What kind of experience should the unprepared day guest expect when he or she enters the park without ADRs or FP at 11:00 a.m.? The "new order" at Disney increasingly rewards the prepared, well-planned, well-researched guest.

 

[disneydeal]

Yes, you can reassign the tickets when you get back.


If you're not planning to make a real reservation on the other MDE, you don't have to make a separate MDE. Just make the phantoms on your main MDE. The names can be literally anything. It can be helpful for future reference, planning, ticket reassigning, etc., if you choose alter egos that you can identify as yourself, daughter, etc. This will make it much easier to reassign tickets and look at SDFP+.

You only really need a separate MDE if you're making a new reservation - and you don't want the new bands to be clones of the old.

So I can buy 2 new magic bands tomorrow for our trip thats starting on Monday, when I get home from store tomorrow open up my current reservation online at MDE and add the two new magic bands (fake people) to my current reservation? Then Monday scan them at park and make 3 same day selections?

 

[ScrapYap]

So I can buy 2 new magic bands tomorrow for our trip thats starting on Monday, when I get home from store tomorrow open up my current reservation online at MDE and add the two new magic bands (fake people) to my current reservation? Then Monday scan them at park and make 3 same day selections?

You'll be adding the two phantoms to your current MDE (not your current reservation). You can set up the phantom profiles tonight. Then when you buy the bands, you'll link them to the phantoms (using the little code numbers printed inside). They're then ready to be tapped at a kiosk for 2 SDFP.

I wouldn't pay more than $13 per band, as that's the price in the parks and resorts for a basic band.

 

[hayesdvc]

To make a SDFP, where is the closest kiosk to the front gate at each park or which one do you make your reservation for each park?

 

[marciemi]

As Marcie said, you can lend your old MBs to your friend to use for SDFP. Since you don't have tickets currently linked, there's nothing to risk.

Karrie - I interpreted the below portions of mousefan's post differently - I read it that mousefan has a trip in August that they probably have (or will soon) made FPP's for. Since they mention using the same MDE as their last trip, I was thinking their old bands would be linked to their current MDE (with the upcoming trip/FPP's). I thought the MDE's not being linked meant with their friends, not to their MB's. If so, I'd ask them refer back to your previous posts about the risks of lending the bands in that case, even if "old" since they'd be clones of their current account.

Hello,
I am also kicking myself for NOT making this years package under a different MDE.

My friend has a trip booked for end of July.. has FPs booked for this with their MDE account.. A family of 4. their first trip.
We are a family of four who has magic bands from the last 2 years ( different MDE account, not linked ). Our trip is in August.

Can I give my friend our old MBs from last year

 

[ScrapYap]

Karrie - I interpreted the below portions of mousefan's post differently - I read it that mousefan has a trip in August that they probably have (or will soon) made FPP's for. Since they mention using the same MDE as their last trip, I was thinking their old bands would be linked to their current MDE (with the upcoming trip/FPP's). I thought the MDE's not being linked meant with their friends, not to their MB's. If so, I'd ask them refer back to your previous posts about the risks of lending the bands in that case, even if "old" since they'd be clones of their current account.

You're right - I read it wrong. @mousefan must have new tickets linked to the old bands for the new trip, so he has everything to lose by lending the bands. It would be too risky for me, anyway.

 

[disneydeal]

[GALLERY=][/GALLERY]
Please explain the two screen shots below. They contradic each other. Make a 2nd MDE account or add dummies to current one.

 

[Born 2B a Princess]

I've read this and I think I understand but please be patient with me while I make sure.

I'm going in August with my sister and my daughter. My daughter and I will have MBs for our upcoming trip, plus our MBs from our trip last summer. Since these were all done under the same MDE account, am I correct that I *cannot* use our MBs from last summer as my bands for SDFP?

My husband and our other daughter went with us last summer and I still have their MBs. They are linked to my account and the linked tickets on them have been used up so there are no valid tickets linked to their bands. Can I use their bands for SDFP?

Similarly, my parents went last month and they are on their own MDE account. They have used three of their four park days so they still have one more valid park day on their tickets. Can I use their MBs for SDFP, so long as I am extra careful NOT to use their MBs as my ticket to enter the parks?

Thanks!

 

[dwardlaw]

I have old magic bands that where linked to my MDE account that I deactivated.Can I use them or can one else use them to make SDFP in the future or are they no good

 

[disneydeal]

I have old magic bands that where linked to my MDE account that I deactivated.Can I use them or can one else use them to make SDFP in the future or are they no good

I don't believe they can be deactivated.. Once linked/always linked.
But I'm lost on all of this so who knows.

 

[ScrapYap]

I don't believe they can be deactivated.. Once linked/always linked.
But I'm lost on all of this so who knows.

You're right. You can't unlink a MagicBand from a profile. It's stuck there. Deactivating it really doesn't do a thing.

 

[ScrapYap]

[GALLERY=][/GALLERY]
Please explain the two screen shots below. They contradic each other. Make a 2nd MDE account or add dummies to current one.

The instructions are for two different scenarios.

[GALLERY=][/GALLERY]
Please explain the two screen shots below. They contradic each other. Make a 2nd MDE account or add dummies to current one.

You're right. They contradict each other, and that's really confusing. The original thread you were quoting is locked, so it can't be updated to reflect the latest strategies. Hiro has an idea to fix that issue, but more about that later.

For a time, it seemed safer to set up a separate MDE for SDFP to avoid the individual profiles (of real people and phantoms) being merged by a CM (at resort check-in or at guest services, for example). (The CM would just be trying to be helpful, thinking that you had set up duplicate profiles by accident. They might merge the profiles without even telling you.) So that was the advice we were giving - two MDEs. However, two MDEs means that you can't see all your FP (both prebooked and SDFP) in the same place. So then the best advice evolved to be adding phantoms to the original MDE.

It's not enough, though, to just change a name a little when setting up an alter ego. (For instance, don't set up a phantom named "Joseph" as an alter ego for a real profile for someone named "Joe.") If the names are similar, they might end up getting merged by the system itself (or by the helpful CM). You could add Joe's phantom as his real middle name. But don't use a nickname. That's the only pitfall to phantoms being on the MDE with the real guests - be careful to choose a totally distinct name.

Setting up the separate MDE is of course still an option when establishing phantoms. You definitely want to consider doing that if you're booking a new resort reservation so that your new MBs won't be clones of last year's.