SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[lark]

You're right - we did wonder what would happen if someone tried to enter a FP attraction with an SDFP. But now we have reason to believe SDFP are gone with the wind. So we're on to waiting other scenarios to be tested. If it takes repeated attempt to trigger a lockout, it's going to take us longer to gather the data!

Your day won't be ruined in any case - you'll just call guest services if you have a problem with your MDE and they'll fix it. But you're right - if you use a band on a separate MDE, it won't matter much if it's locked.

Disney would never deduct a ticket entitlement anywhere but at the park entrance.

Yeah, I guess what I was hoping is that the fix is at the kiosks and so the use of ticketed passes will be ok. Hoping I guess is all.

 

[Lisa F]

Buying an AP so you can access the FP+ calendar for 7 pre-booked FP per month? Okay by Disney! They get more money from you.
Buying extra tickets so you can access the FP+ calendar at 180,60, whatever countdown days? Okay by Disney! They get more money from you.

Using past trip MBs to access a kiosk? *BEEEEEEEEEP* no. Disney is not making more money from you.
Using random MBs you purchased from the Disney Store, the Internet, Ebay, your dog walker's cousin's baby mama to access a kiosk? *BEEEEEEEEEP* no. Disney is not *directly* making more money from you.

Pretty simple to understand, really.

I hope this is true.

 

[Lisa F]

Yeah, I guess what I was hoping is that the fix is at the kiosks and so the use of ticketed passes will be ok. Hoping I guess is all.

why would anyone make a FP+ on a ticketed band at a kiosk when you can make it on the app even more easily (and in advance)?

The real question is not whether you can make them, since you don't need the kisosk to make them. The question is whether you can USE them, either directly or by transferring to someone who has used their ticket for admission that day.

 

[mousestruck]

While I've never tried this strategy, does the new rule apply to the following scenario... DH and I can no longer take some of the thrill rides, so we typically switch magic bands with our kids so they can ride twice. (This occurs when we're all in the park and all have the same FP reserved.)

 

[n2mm]

While I've never tried this strategy, does the new rule apply to the following scenario... DH and I can no longer take some of the thrill rides, so we typically switch magic bands with our kids so they can ride twice. (This occurs when we're all in the park and all have the same FP reserved.)

I do this often too. I really don't see how they could stop this. If I want to give up my turn and not ride, giving it to the kids while I ride the people mover and they ride space mountain doesn't take away from anyone.

 

[ScrapYap]

Yeah, I guess what I was hoping is that the fix is at the kiosks and so the use of ticketed passes will be ok. Hoping I guess is all.

We still don't know. To stay within the TOS, we'll only be moving forward with the Change Party function - and that won't get an account locked out. But we're all curious about what *will* cause a lockout because it sounds so dramatic. You know how some MagicBand cause special sound effects at FP rides? Wouldn't it be great if they got some kind of dramatic sound effect to play when someone tries to enter with a band not used at park entry? Maybe a really loud siren? At HS it could be the Darth Vader theme. At MK maybe the cackle of the crone (Evil Queen) with the poison apple.

 

[Lisa F]

While I've never tried this strategy, does the new rule apply to the following scenario... DH and I can no longer take some of the thrill rides, so we typically switch magic bands with our kids so they can ride twice. (This occurs when we're all in the park and all have the same FP reserved.)

if all 4 of you are in the park and have scanned your tickets for entry then it would not matter at all. They are not doing biometrics at the FP+ tap points, they just want to make sure that any FP+ used are associated with tickets that have been used for admission that day.

Whether or not they ACTUALLY ensure that remains to be seen but regardless you are safe. you MAY have an issue if you decide to send the kids on their own to the parks and you let them take your MBs but don't go with them... if yours have not been used for admission they may not be able to use the FP+ either.

 

[Lisa F]

We still don't know. To stay within the TOS, we'll only be moving forward with the Change Party function - and that won't get an account locked out. But we're all curious about what *will* cause a lockout because it sounds so dramatic. You know how some MagicBand cause special sound effects at FP rides? Wouldn't it be great if they got some kind of dramatic sound effect to play when someone tries to enter with a band not used at park entry? Maybe a really loud siren? At HS it could be the Darth Vader theme. At MK maybe the cackle of the crone (Evil Queen) with the poison apple.

Do you anticipate the change of party method to be thwarted by Disney inserting a check to make sure the donating ticketed account has been used for admission?

 

[ScrapYap]

I do this often too. I really don't see how they could stop this. If I want to give up my turn and not ride, giving it to the kids while I ride the people mover and they ride space mountain doesn't take away from anyone.

As long as everyone actually entered the parks, it should be fine to swap around FP use in any way you like. Unless Big Brother Disney puts biometrics at ride entrances?!

 

[lark]

why would anyone make a FP+ on a ticketed band at a kiosk when you can make it on the app even more easily (and in advance)?

The real question is not whether you can make them, since you don't need the kisosk to make them. The question is whether you can USE them, either directly or by transferring to someone who has used their ticket for admission that day.

No, what I was saying is that the fix for SDFP is at the kiosks. It didn't have to be that way. It could have been that the kiosk would have allowed for a SDFP to be made but then the attraction would deny it because the fastpass was not on a ticketed/entered band. In fact, that was what many were hoping so that they could continue to use rogue bands at the kiosks and then transfer the SDFPs to ticketed accounts in the park. Early returns are that will not work, because the non-entered bands are getting stopped at the kiosk.

What I am saying is that while that's bad news for same day fast pass uses of all types, it may be good news for ticketed FPs. If Disney has done the blocking at the kiosks it still leaves hope that there is no computerized check at the attractions whether the FP has an entered ticket.

 

[ScrapYap]

Do you anticipate the change of party method to be thwarted by Disney inserting a check to make sure the donating ticketed account has been used for admission?

That would throw a massive monkey wrench into trip planning. People traveling with large groups are constantly using Change Party as their plans evolve - weeks before park arrival.

 

[mousestruck]

if all 4 of you are in the park and have scanned your tickets for entry then it would not matter at all. They are not doing biometrics at the FP+ tap points, they just want to make sure that any FP+ used are associated with tickets that have been used for admission that day.

Whether or not they ACTUALLY ensure that remains to be seen but regardless you are safe. you MAY have an issue if you decide to send the kids on their own to the parks and you let them take your MBs but don't go with them... if yours have not been used for admission they may not be able to use the FP+ either.

Thank you for the reply! I never viewed this as gaming the system, just allowing our kids to use our entitlements. Hope this doesn't change!

 

[BuckeyeBama]

No, what I was saying is that the fix for SDFP is at the kiosks. It didn't have to be that way. It could have been that the kiosk would have allowed for a SDFP to be made but then the attraction would deny it because the fastpass was not on a ticketed/entered band. In fact, that was what many were hoping so that they could continue to use rogue bands at the kiosks and then transfer the SDFPs to ticketed accounts in the park. Early returns are that will not work, because the non-entered bands are getting stopped at the kiosk.

What I am saying is that while that's bad news for same day fast pass uses of all types, it may be good news for ticketed FPs. If Disney has done the blocking at the kiosks it still leaves hope that there is no computerized check at the attractions whether the FP has an entered ticket.

Which would allow you to use the bands without transferring?

 

[lark]

That would throw a massive monkey wrench into trip planning. People traveling with large groups are constantly using Change Party as their plans evolve - weeks before park arrival.

I don't think they do this as the tech would likely be a very significant challenge, but what about prohibiting bands from receiving FPs beyond three (even after the first three are used) anywhere but at the kiosks?

 

[lark]

Which would allow you to use the bands without transferring?

If it works it actually would be safer that way, right?

If there is some threshold where they lock your account only your second account with the second set of fastpasses would get locked and you'd keep your main account clean if you don't transfer to it.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I don't think they do this as the tech would likely be a very significant challenge, but what about prohibiting bands from receiving FPs beyond three (even after the first three are used) anywhere but at the kiosks?

When that was the case the lines were long and guests were not happy. That is why they started allowing guests to book them online and in the app.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

If it works it actually would be safer that way, right?

If there is some threshold where they lock your account only your second account with the second set of fastpasses would get locked and you'd keep your main account clean if you don't transfer to it.

I think that this violates the ToS.

 

[Marionnette]

Am I the only one who is relieved to see that the SDFP loophole was closed at the kiosks instead of forcing CMs to play "gotcha!" at the FP+ touch points? It didn't make sense to me to permit unticketed MBs and cards to be used at the kiosks only to deny them at the attraction. Allowing unticketed media to obtain FP+ at the kiosk would have prevented someone with valid admission from getting those same FP+ slots. It, in effect, would have left a lot of FP+ that were "wasted". By denying the unticketed MBs and cards at the kiosk, those FP+ are left available to others. Not to mention that the CMs manning the FP+ touch points are relieved from the aggravation of dealing with guests who are upset when they arrive with what they thought was a valid FP+.

I'm not judging. I just didn't see the logic behind permitting SDFP to be acquired at the kiosk and then denied at the attraction. Glad to see that since Disney is working to shut this down, they're doing it at the point of initiation instead of further downstream.

 

[Lisa F]

No, what I was saying is that the fix for SDFP is at the kiosks. It didn't have to be that way. It could have been that the kiosk would have allowed for a SDFP to be made but then the attraction would deny it because the fastpass was not on a ticketed/entered band. In fact, that was what many were hoping so that they could continue to use rogue bands at the kiosks and then transfer the SDFPs to ticketed accounts in the park. Early returns are that will not work, because the non-entered bands are getting stopped at the kiosk.

What I am saying is that while that's bad news for same day fast pass uses of all types, it may be good news for ticketed FPs. If Disney has done the blocking at the kiosks it still leaves hope that there is no computerized check at the attractions whether the FP has an entered ticket.

yes, I am hoping that is the case (as I'm sure many of us are). I get the feeling this is a much less widespread problem than SDFP on non ticketed magic bands at the kiosks. You're planning your week vacation and someone says "hey for $12.95 per person you can get more fastpasses." A LOT of people will see the cost benefit in that. If it now becomes "well if you buy a second set of passes for your party to the tune of thousands you can get a few more FP+... and by the way, those tickets that used to be nonexpiring now expire"... most people are going to think that is cuckoo and not even entertain the notion.

BUT if they are trying to cut off those "unoffocial guides" who already have a ton of ticket media and who are using it to book FP+ in advance and resell them to tourists... would that motivate disney to shut down CPFP? are those people changing the party or just scanning in bands that have FPs loaded but were not used for admission?

That is why the question is so crucial about whether MBs not scanned in for admission but that do have tickets and FP+ loaded on them will work at the rides. I suspect if they do now they may not for long. I doubt unofficial tourguides are linking to hundreds of people in their MDE so they can transfer FP+ one at a time to people... they are probably just using the bands with FP+ preloaded. So my hope is that even if ticketed bands not used for admission don't work for FP+ at ride tapstiles they will still work for CPFP.

 

[PolyRob]

As long as everyone actually entered the parks, it should be fine to swap around FP use in any way you like. Unless Big Brother Disney puts biometrics at ride entrances?!

Facial biometric recognition linked to PhotoPass photos that knows if it is you or not based on your past rides! I joke, but that would be crazy!