Scooter rentals now TARGETING the lazy!! (LONG)

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I'll probably get flamed for this somehow but here's an article from the WSJ about how scooter companies are now marketing towards people without disabilities; people who just don't WANT TO walk! What is this nation coming to???


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Motorized scooters for the disabled are finding a lucrative new market: People just sick of walking
By ELLEN GAMERMAN
July 15, 2006; Page P1

On a recent afternoon at Walt Disney World, Dennis Robles was cruising around on an electric "mobility scooter" that the park usually rents out to people with disabilities. Mr. Robles doesn't have a problem walking -- he says he was simply saving up energy for late-night dancing.

"I'm pretty healthy," says the 37-year-old truck driver from Brooklyn, N.Y. "Just lazy, I guess."

The power scooter is an increasingly ubiquitous sight, with an estimated 1.2 million in use nationwide. But while the $1,000-plus vehicles have been hailed as a boon for the infirm and the elderly, they are now finding a new constituency: able-bodied people who simply don't feel like walking. In addition to theme parks like Dollywood and Minnesota's giant Mall of America, the scooters are popping up everywhere from Las Vegas casinos to grocery stores. When scooter demand outstrips supply at Wal-Mart, greeters "evaluate the situation" and make sure that people using the scooters can demonstrate a legitimate need, according to a company spokesman.

Some entrepreneurs are starting to push the vehicles as bicycles without the pedaling. City Scooter Tours, an outfit that operates in Washington and plans to extend into Chicago, offers scooters as an easy way to see the sights.
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Cruise Control: Dennis Robles recently toured Disney World on a scooter. I'm pretty healthy,' he says. 'Just lazy, I guess.'

"It's kind of bad for the cause," says Janna Starr, director of disability rights and technology policy for United Cerebral Palsy, a nonprofit group. Stores and tourist attractions need to set guidelines and "not just let people come up and take off in the scooters just because they want one," she says.

Ms. Starr and some other advocates for the disabled say able-bodied riders can rile pedestrians, creating a negative image of scooter use that could hurt those who really need assistance.

In the next few years, there will likely be a lot more people buzzing down sidewalks and in supermarket aisles. The number of people aged 50 and older is expected to soar by 33 million to 118 million by 2020, according to the Census Bureau.

Cavernous stores, which tend to offer scooters for free, and big theme parks, which tend to rent them, see these scooters not only as a tool for the disabled but also as a lure for visitors who might not otherwise want to spend the day walking around. At the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minn., where all the scooters are rented out by noon most weekends, the fleet is being expanded from 30 to 45 later this year. Over the past year, Dolly Parton's Dollywood theme park in Pigeon Forge, Tenn., boosted its fleet from 55 to 70. People often bring their own scooters, but the park's rentals are a convenience for occasional users. "Our park is quite hilly," says Dollywood spokesman Pete Owens. "It's quite a handy vehicle to have."

While some companies say they don't limit ridership to disabled people, others actively encourage use to anybody who wants one. The owner of Florida Mobility, a motorized scooter vendor outside Disney World, pitches a $75 rental package by telling customers: "Ride all day and dance at night." Last month, Avis started offering motorized scooters in Las Vegas and Orlando, Fla., and for an extra $40 to $50, they will arrange for the scooter to be waiting in the trunk of the rental car. At AA Tourist Rentals in Orlando, Fla., scooter business was up 20% in the last year, an increase the company partly attributes to a spry blonde woman in the ads: "She doesn't look like there's anything wrong with her," says office manager Donna Carroll.

Karen Mckinney jumped on her first scooter in May when she and her sister and their friends took an organized scooter tour through the National Mall in Washington. (The tour company, City Scooter Tours, which is owned by rental company Scootaround, bills the trip as "a way for the entire family to experience the sights together.") The 57-year-old from Elkridge, Md., says when the group took their last trip, to Las Vegas, they tired out after all the walking and were looking for an alternative this year. They thought about taking a van tour of the monuments, but worried about the walk from the van to the sites. "None of us have a disability, but we're all getting older," she says.

Ms. Starr, of United Cerebral Palsy, says scooters are beginning to attract some of the problems associated with handicapped-accessible parking spaces -- with some riders being accused of not warranting the privilege. She says it also puts companies in the problematic position of judging who "deserves" aid and encourages them to assess disabilities -- which can be hidden -- based on appearances.
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Easy Riders: City Scooter Tours offers trips around Washington, D.C.

Judy Stark, 65, bought her Golden Companion scooter about two years ago on the recommendation of a friend. What started as an occasional indulgence is now becoming a more permanent part of her life -- she even walks her dog via scooter, giving Mugsy a lift on particularly hot days. Recently at the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa in Atlantic City, N.J., she drove in laps around the casino floor, something that would have required several walking breaks before. "Now waiting on line at the buffet is no problem," she says. "You just sit there."

Power scooters caught on in the early 1990s, in part because they're a more outdoorsy alternative to motorized wheelchairs. Power wheelchairs are typically used by severely disabled people because they're steered via a joystick, which requires less upper body strength to steer than the scooter's handlebars.

When industry leader Pride Mobility Products began selling its Victory scooter in 1992, it promoted "sleek styling" and personalized options. In recent years, scooter manufacturers have pushed it even further -- the tail lights on a Landlex scooter are reminiscent of a sports car's. Prices are as low as $1,000, down from twice that, as cheaper scooters from Asia flood the market.

Scooters are now being designed for specific uses. The SmartKart by Dane Technologies, for example, maxes out at three miles per hour, instead of the standard five, because it is meant to be used in grocery stores and other crowded indoor spaces. In the last year, Pride has super-sized models like the Maxima and introduced the Celebrity-X, to keep up with the increase in obesity.

Even some riders say it's not easy for them to decide if they really need a scooter. On a recent trip to Foxwoods Resort Casino in Connecticut, John Hopkins refused to rent a scooter, despite urgings from his daughter. The 66-year-old retiree, who had a quadruple bypass four years ago and suffers from the effects of a stroke, says he struggled on foot at the casino but thinks scooters are "a pain" that get in the way of other people and cause traffic jams. Plus, "there's a vanity part," he says. "I'd just rather do it on my own."

John Warchalowsky, 81, says he's been using a scooter for years. A retired phone-company manager from Bergenfield, N.J., Mr. Warchalowsky has taken his scooter to the Grand Canyon, on Caribbean cruises and to every state in the nation, including Alaska. When the green one conked out, he replaced it with a fire-engine red scooter and kept on touring with his girlfriend, who also rides one. He says he walks around his house and remains active, but the scooter gets him out more. Another benefit: He always buys cheap tickets to shows at casinos, because he knows he'll be put in a better spot. "I tell the usher, how do I get all the way back there? And he puts us right in the mezzanine with the handicapped people."





Denice T.
Olathe, KS
 
I could almost imagine that article appearing in The Onion as a satire, except you got it from the WSJ!

I can't say I find it too surprising, this country is well on its way to an explosion of diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc., because we already eat too much and move too little. Another sign of the times, I suppose.
 
Please don't let my ex-H get wind of this. He's the guy who would rather drive around the mall parking lot for an hour, to get a space that's within 3 spaces from the door, than park any farther and have to walk. And he's more than capable of doing so.
 
It really makes me sick how lazy people are! My uncle uses one for medical resons, and my lazy aunt got herself one, too, even though she is perfectly able to walk (and should get the exercise anyway b/c she is obese).
 

Oh geez.... One of the things I love most about WDW is all the walking and how it negates the Mickey Bar habit....

In the final days of my last pregnancy it hurt to walk. My baby (unbeknownst to me at the time) was 10 and a half pounds. I HAD to go to Target and was in tears in the parking lot as I couldn't imagine walking all the way to the back of the store. I ended up using a scooter and I was MORTIFIED because I felt like I was taking it away from someone who might actually *need* it. What goes through the mind of the person who just doesn't feel like walking?
 
I am completely shocked at this article and at how many people are willing to admit how lazy they are. Our nation is lazy enough and already suffering the effects of sedentary lifestyles. I am trying like heck to get fit and healthy and using a scooter doesn't fit into that plan. We just took a trip to WDW in May with my 68 year old mom and she walked her way through the world even though she doesn't exercise that much. She just took breaks when she needed them and rested in the afternoon. She even went to Illuminations by herself b/c we were stuck in the room with our 6 month old son. If she can do it, then a "reasonably healthy 37 year old can too" I also think this type of behavior will just give those people who really need assistance a bad name. I've seen countless threads on these boards of people who have legitimate disabilities that are not obvious to everyone but very real to them. They're just going to have to defend themselves even more against the lazy people who will end up hitting people in the legs with scooters or taking space in handicapped areas just because they feel like it. What a sad situation! I hope that Disney will set some guidelines in place to make sure that scooters are available to those who truly need to use them.
 
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I don't know how they handle truely disabled people on scooters as far as lines. Do they go in a special entrance therefore not having to wait in line with others? Maybe this guy is using the scooter not only because he doesn't want to walk but also because he wants to avoid the lines??? It's simply disgusting to me.

Annie
 
It is just sad how people take advantage of the system. With the new medical privacy laws it would be VERY hard to regulate the rentals of these to only disabled people, because no "proof" is needed. Unfortunately, this is not only bad for the health of the "non disabled" person due to inactivity, but these things are so intrusive in the parks at WDW as well. I have no problem with people who truly need them (my 82 y o grandpa has one) but it is so wrong to use it because you are "lazy". People amaze me sometimes
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My daughter was a CP last year at Epcot and still is a CT, working every few months ~~ she is a captain on the Friendship Boats. She said they repeatedly would hear people commenting on how they didn't really *need* their ECV ... just made it easier to get around at the parks!

One of the **worst** examples of this was one night when they were park clearing in WS. They had just 'cleared' Chef de France of this loud party of 10 ~ they were the last guests in any of the WS restaurants that night.
They all RAN out to their ECVs ~ Yes, EVERY ONE of them had one ~ shouting back and forth about how cool this was and "why hadn't we ever thought of this before?" The two CPs asked one of them if any of them really *needed* the ECV .... "He** no, we just didn't want to walk today!! We're getting these every time from now on!!"

As if there weren't already enough ECVs in the parks being used by those who truly need them and couldn't "do" WDW without one.


quote "" I also think this type of behavior will just give those people who really need assistance a bad name."" end quote

ITA with this statement ~ what a shame.
 
Oooh this is a huge bugbear of mine. I'm usually a serial lurker but I'm coming out of the shadows on this one :)

On our last trip to MK (Sept 2004) we stayed at POP, and after Wishes we were waiting 2 hours for a bus that could accommodate us to actually get back to the hotel. In that time, 5 scooters got onto the bus - and 4 of the lazy so n so's were walking around, didn't need scooters, and were frankly just fat, lazy slobs.

I don't see why they can't queue like the rest of us. We are a family who eat healthily and exercise so the laziness of some people is just absolutely beyond us. I wish Disney would do something about it!!
 
Don't get me started on the scooter abuse! First, let me say that if a person needs a scooter, wheelchair, etc., please use one. I don't think anyone with brains or a heart has any problem with that. BUT...I saw multiple incidents of the "lazies" last December at WDW that rode them soley to get special treatment, i.e., jumping ahead of others on rides, monorail, etc. We actually saw a woman get off the scooter, pick up her 2 kids (apxy. ages 3 and 5) and RUN by us like we were standing still along with her DH to get on the monorail at closing one day. I was also nearly a victim of hit and run in the emporium by a woman on a scooter that then honked her horn and turned and shot ME a nasty look for being in HER way, I guess. Maybe she needed it, maybe she didn't, but she came REALLY close to be flipped upside down on it!!!

I think it would be a good idea to have a Dr.-issued card, or something, to indicate that it was a necessity. I understand that sometimes people have heat exhaustion, leg swelling, and other on-the-spot problems, but I wish there was some way to deal with this problem. Not to mention that the lazies take the scooters from those who truly need them.
 
I will leave aside all personal judgments about people who could...and probably should....walk ( and believe me I have some opinions here )........

I can't help but think of the people who really NEED a scooter but can't get one because perfectly healthy people have already rented them out. That's just shameful.
 
Last year we were waiting for a bus at POR. After a long wait one arrived but wouldn't let anyone board. After about 10 minutes of sitting there with the doors closed a family of ECV riders came along. Mom, Dad, Grandma & 2 kids. The pulled up to "their" bus. The they each got off of their scooter, removed their shaded roof things (you know what I mean! LOL) And walked around to stretch their legs at they loaded all 5 of the ECVs. Then the 5 opf them hopped on the bus & left. Apparently they get their own private bus. :confused3
 
The part that is most offensive is that they take them away from those who really need them. Those huge stores that have them for use is of most concern. My Dad has to use one of these if he is to shop with my Mom. He needs knee replacement and can hardly walk with his cane to the store front. He has his own scooter, but it is heavy and has to be taken apart to fit in the trunk of the car, kind of a big pain if you are going into Home Depot for a 10 min errand to pick out paint or such. Now if lazy people are using them all up then he might not have one to use, he is stuck, and never mind that every step hurts so now he will either have to sit and wait by the door, or walk back to the car and wait. Dragging his own scooter out for every little stop would/will be a huge pain. I hope the knee replacement will give back some mobility and not just cure the pain. What a bunch of sorry selfish sad sacks.
 
Oh what a sore subject! I sympathize with the people who really need these things but the those who take advantage are horrible! While we were waiting for the bus last month, from Poly to A.K., there were two women on scooters along with their families. We had been waiting for a while when they all arrived at the bus stop. One of the women proudly announced to the group "It won't take us long to get a bus. We get to go first on these things!" And sure enough, when the bus arrived they boarded first along with their whole traveling party and we got to wait even longer for a bus! Now believe me, I am a thoughtful person but the "go to the front of the line mentality" just because someone is on a scooter should really be reconsidered. My mom has severe foot pain from time to time but is offended if we suggest using one of those things. Hope I didn't offend anyone but I'm just sick of lazy people and those who think they deserve special treatment because they use a scooter.
 
WoW! that is all i can say - Wow!

i knew that folks did this, but much like any other thing one should be ashamed of, i am shocked that they so freely admit it.

what's next?!?!? i didn't feel like getting up to go to the bathroom so i had this catheder and colostomy bag put in?!?!?!?

i hold nothing against anyone who has a (outwardly visable or not) genuine need for the use of one of these things - no matter if it is a life long affliction or just horrible blisters or a pulled muscle from the day before. But this is just amazing to me.

have these people's parents done such a poor job of raising them that they feel no shame about just simply being a lazy ***?!?!?!

- lori
 
I cannot answer for others because only they truly know how handicapped they are but as a Pooh sized lady I cannot tell you how many times people have told me to hire a scooter. I refuse and this is why. I feel that when you sit down in one of those things, unless you truly need it, it is the beginning of the end of your life and I surely will not get down to a 'normal' weight (which I have been working very hard at) by doing so. :woohoo:

BTW, it is not just the overweight that are 'lazy'. I work very hard, most days, and have a weight problem in spite of the fact that I do not eat nearly what my dh does. He eats several plates of food at every buffet along with platters of desserts. Does he burn off the calories from work? You be the judge ---- :confused3

When we first married and I was young and dumber than today he had me waiting on him hand and foot including making each and every cup of coffee he drank. Since he drank between 20-40 cups of coffee a day it was a daunting task but I was younger and did not need as much sleep then. :hourglass After about a decade, several children and the acquisition of an 18 room house that I was remodeling (by myself) I gathered up the strength to opine that he might be capable of making his own coffee. OK, not actually MAKE it but pour his own cup. When I was making it he required two sugars and a tad bit of cream. When he started pouring his own he went to black because it was too much trouble for him to add sugar and cream himself. He is not overweight, I am. :confused3 :confused3 :confused3

BTW, things have only gotten worse with dh. He is now retired and looking forward to a heart lung machine so that he might be spared expending even that amount of energy. :sad2:

His only saving grace is that he is willing to go to DW any old time I want. He loves the food. :dance3:

Please do not judge all overweight people as lazy or whatever. We are just like you, some are good, some bad, some lazy, some work hard etc. etc. We are people too! :love:

Slightly Goofy (who has been trimming bushes, pulling weeds and making the yard look pretty while dh watches his tv shows)
 
In the words of Lisa Simpsons: "work was hard so we quit". Frankly, I'd be shocked, SHOCKED, if people didn't take advantage of these things. I mean, what's a SEGWAY? It's a lazy man's legs! Another way to avoid walking.
 
The park hopping issue is the only problem I'd have with ECVs being used by completely mobile people. Losing a little park time while some unfortunate has his/her ECV loaded on a bus is fine by me, I'm happy NOT to be in their shoes, or chair, actually. But if this trend continues, there won't be a bus that doesn't have such a delay, and then Disney will have to do something. Solutions? Separate busses/vehicles for ECVs only, require a physician's clearance to be allowed an ECV, or, as with my 78 yr old mom in 2004, we had an ECV by Pride Mobility that broke in 2 pieces with the flip of a lever, and I and my SIL easily hauled it on the bus, mom being able to hobble short distances.

Bill From PA
 
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