Saving a spot in line ...Taboo?

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It's not a zero sum game. The reduction in someone else's wait time does not automatically result to an increase in mine. I think that the gist of this discussion is that most people mind if their wait is increased, and most don't care if their wait is not increased. And, of course, there are always extenuating circumstances that everyone seems to agree are worth overlooking, like the example I posted earlier. What this all boils down to is that none of us knows everything. We are not always in possession of all the facts necessary to determine if a circumstance has arisen that should be overlooked, or if the situation will result in a longer wait time for us, or if the situation will result in no time loss at all. So we can either:

a. Accept that we don't know all the facts and make no exceptions whatsoever letting no one pass;

b. Accept that we don't know all the facts and let people slide, hoping that on balance we aren't being taken advantage of; or

c. Put people on trial and make them explain their situation to our own satisfaction before we let people pass.

In the end, I will do "b" and hope that my kindness is helping others more than my naiveté is hurting myself. Doesn't make me right. But it doesn't make me wrong either.
I think it's great that you do "b", however you forgot:

d. Don't care why people are cutting but let them through anyway since kicking up a stink is not really worth it.

I usually will do "d" myself. I did "c" once when I was pregnant and hormonal and was shoved hard and almost fell for pointing out that the woman who just hopped over the chairs in front of me at the DL train station with her 3-year old really shouldn't have.

In any case, the question isn't should we let line cutters past us. The question the OP asked was:

A friend of mine recently went to Disney World. He said he waited in line for Toy Story Mania. His wife and daughters went to sign up for Jedi Academy. His wife and daughters returned to Toy Story Mania and got in line with him. Is this allowed or a huge NO NO?

And for me, it's a "no no" and rude. The polite thing is to wait at the end of the line for their entire party before entering the queue.
 
IMO, unless it's for an unavoidable bathroom issue for one of your party, yeah. Saving a spot is pretty high up on the not cool wall.

We experienced a VERY organized large family from the Northeast (judging by the Long Island accents) that were repeatedly line jumping at MK by sending two of their party into longish lines only to have the rest of the group join them about halfway through. I figured the first one (20-ish minute wait at Jungle Cruise) was for some understandable reason until they did it to me again ... on the freaking Carousel, which had the standard wait of approximately the length of the ride. Somebody near me said something to them and was met with pretty obnoxious feedback. I'm glad I didn't open my fat southern mouth.

I mean, even if you KNOW somebody is using this as some sort of technique, how are you supposed to come out of a confrontation looking good?
 
The reduction in someone else's wait time does not automatically result to an increase in mine.

I disagree.

If someone gets in line knowing that other family members will be joining them in line in a few minutes it affects everyone behind them, even if they are getting on the same car. They could/should wait for the entire party to arrive and enter the queue together. It's their desire to decrease their wait times which causes them to get in line before their entire party arrives. Thus increasing your wait time.

While it's really nice of you to give people the benefit of the doubt, you may not be doing anyone around you any favours. That being said, I am generally not a confrontational person myself in these situations and I realize there may be circumstances I am unaware of so I rarely say anything. I just wish people would realize that saving spots in line is line cutting.
 
I disagree.

If someone gets in line knowing that other family members will be joining them in line in a few minutes it affects everyone behind them, even if they are getting on the same car. ...It's their desire to decrease their wait times which causes them to get in line before their entire party arrives. Thus increasing your wait time.

You are making an invalid assumption that the people in front of me altered their behavior knowing that others would be joining them. There is no basis for that conclusion, and frankly, I can't even imagine the scenario where one's decision to get in line sooner rather than later could ever be impacted by this variable. If they are all getting into Honeypot #4 and my party is going to get into Honeypot #5, then my wait time has not increased. There is no math, science, physics or logic that makes your statement true. You may not like the fact that the two teenagers who joined their parents in line "beat the system" or had a shorter wait than you. But your unwillingness to accept the science behind the fact that your wait did not increase does not convert "fact" to "opinion". There is simply nothing here with which to disagree. If you are slated to get into Honeypot #5, and Honeypot #5 will depart at 2:15, then your total wait time is calculated from the time you got into line until 2:15 and no amount of anger or disappointment will alter that fact.
 

If they are all getting into Honeypot #4 and my party is going to get into Honeypot #5, then my wait time has not increased. There is no math, science, physics or logic that makes your statement true. You may not like the fact that the two teenagers who joined their parents in line "beat the system" or had a shorter wait than you. But your unwillingness to accept the science behind the fact that your wait did not increase does not convert "fact" to "opinion". There is simply nothing here with which to disagree. If you are slated to get into Honeypot #5, and Honeypot #5 will depart at 2:15, then your total wait time is calculated from the time you got into line until 2:15 and no amount of anger or disappointment will alter that fact.

Well what he (the person you are responding to) is saying is that the person who wants their family to ride with them should be waiting outside the ride, meaning that they (the poster) would be riding in Honeypot #4. I completely disagree with that scenario. Basically that poster is saying that THEIR time is more valuable than the Dad (or whoever) who legitimately has the right to be in line ahead of them but should (according to them) just suck it up and wait while DD and DW are making an emergency potty detour or something.

It's all just so very petty.

For those rare instances where something definitely shady is going on (large groups, people not meeting up but just plain cutting, families splitting up for every ride) then by all means, tell a CM and hopefully those individuals will be spoken to. For the rest? "Let it Go".
 
You are making an invalid assumption that the people in front of me altered their behavior knowing that others would be joining them. There is no basis for that conclusion, and frankly, I can't even imagine the scenario where one's decision to get in line sooner rather than later could ever be impacted by this variable. If they are all getting into Honeypot #4 and my party is going to get into Honeypot #5, then my wait time has not increased. There is no math, science, physics or logic that makes your statement true. You may not like the fact that the two teenagers who joined their parents in line "beat the system" or had a shorter wait than you. But your unwillingness to accept the science behind the fact that your wait did not increase does not convert "fact" to "opinion". There is simply nothing here with which to disagree. If you are slated to get into Honeypot #5, and Honeypot #5 will depart at 2:15, then your total wait time is calculated from the time you got into line until 2:15 and no amount of anger or disappointment will alter that fact.

Jimmy, I think I get everything you are saying, but I still disagree. None of them should be getting into honeypot number four if the parents knowingly got into line, knowing that others would be joining them. The party behind them should be getting into honeypot number four. They should have waited until all members were present before entering the queue.

Do you not think it's cutting the line when someone runs ahead and saves spots? :confused3
 
Well what he (the person you are responding to) is saying is that the person who wants their family to ride with them should be waiting outside the ride, meaning that they (the poster) would be riding in Honeypot #4. I completely disagree with that scenario. Basically that poster is saying that THEIR time is more valuable than the Dad (or whoever) who legitimately has the right to be in line ahead of them but should (according to them) just suck it up and wait while DD and DW are making an emergency potty detour or something.

It's all just so very petty.
So that dad who goes ahead and gets in line while his wife makes a potty stop with their children legitimately has the right to be in line in front of everyone who arrived while the rest of his family was using the toilet? That's a very odd way to look at the situation :confused:.

Now posters don't agree with you they are petty? First "tsk-tskers" and now "petty". I wonder what will come next popcorn::.
 
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So that dad who goes ahead and gets in line while his wife makes a potty stop with their children legitimately has the right to be in line in front of everyone who arrived while the rest of his family was using the toilet? That's a very odd way to look at the situation :confused:.

Now posters don't agree with you they are petty? First "tsk-tskers" and now "petty". I wonder what will come next popcorn::.

Yes, he absolutely does. He's there. Why shouldn't he be in line? What if the whole plan was for him to ride alone while DD and DW went to the bathroom but they just happened to be faster (or the line happened to be slower) than expected? He absolutely has a right to be in that line and in that seat. The question of whether or not his family should join him is a completely different one. You are saying that they should not. I am saying that in most cases not only should they but that doing so will take nothing from you since Dad's already there taking up Honeypot #4.

OT, but I don't particularly consider using the term "tsk-tskers" (which someone had already done) to be even the slightest bit insulting. You are, in effect, saying tsk-tsk to those doing something you dislike. And absolutely I think that a situation which involves irritation over a probable extra wait of less than a minute is petty. Whether someone wants to infer that makes them petty overall is quite a stretch.
 
Basically that poster is saying that THEIR time is more valuable than the Dad (or whoever) who legitimately has the right to be in line ahead of them but should (according to them) just suck it up and wait while DD and DW are making an emergency potty detour or something.

My family's time is valuable, but not any more valuable then any other family. That's why we enter the queue when we are together. If a dad wants to run ahead of his family while they sign up for Jedi training he has every right to go on the ride by himself.....but it's not cool to invite his entourage past everyone in line when they finally arrive.
 
OT, but I don't particularly consider using the term "tsk-tskers" (which someone had already done) to be even the slightest bit insulting. You are, in effect, saying tsk-tsk to those doing something you dislike. And absolutely I think that a situation which involves irritation over a probable extra wait of less than a minute is petty. Whether someone wants to infer that makes them petty overall is quite a stretch.

What does OT mean?
 
Yes, he absolutely does. He's there. Why shouldn't he be in line? What if the whole plan was for him to ride alone while DD and DW went to the bathroom but they just happened to be faster (or the line happened to be slower) than expected? He absolutely has a right to be in that line and in that seat. The question of whether or not his family should join him is a completely different one. You are saying that they should not. I am saying that in most cases not only should they but that doing so will take nothing from you since Dad's already there taking up Honeypot #4.
Huh? You are twisting around scenarios in a futile attempt to make your point. What if emotional therapy pot bellied pigs could fly? Then maybe they could fly ahead and claim a legitimate place in the line too.

If the family unit is riding then the family unit should arrive and stand in line together. How hard is that really?

OT, but I don't particularly consider using the term "tsk-tskers" (which someone had already done) to be even the slightest bit insulting. You are, in effect, saying tsk-tsk to those doing something you dislike. And absolutely I think that a situation which involves irritation over a probable extra wait of less than a minute is petty. Whether someone wants to infer that makes them petty overall is quite a stretch.
Of course you wouldn't consider it insulting to label people who don't agree with you with pejoratives.
 
Huh? You are twisting around scenarios in a futile attempt to make your point. What if emotional therapy pot bellied pigs could fly? Then maybe they could fly ahead and claim a legitimate place in the line too.

How the heck is it a twisted scenario to think that a father might take a kid and plan to ride something while wife takes another kid to the bathroom and then, unexpectedly the line is stalled or the bathroom is less crowded than the expect so they're still in sight when wife and other kid arrive? That's not exactly a stretch of reality. You expect Wife and second kid to have to wait another half an hour or something just so that you can stare at a half-empty car ahead of you.

Easy to say....until it happens to you. :rolleyes1

But people are saying it HAS happened to them and they didn't care. For all I know it's happened to me and I don't even remember - that's how much of an affect it had on my day.

I'm still waiting to hear if those who are so concerned about those who get there first going first are also allowing others to go ahead at bag-check instead of "cutting" to the other side of the table without telling anyone ahead of them the rules. Or willingly giving up a chance at a FP+ to help someone who got there ahead of them.
 
Here’s a story that I think puts this all in perspective. One day while we were in line at Peter Pan, a few groups ahead of us was a mother and daughter. The father and younger son were outside the queue, as the little one decided that he didn’t want to get on a “scary Pirate Ship”. After about 20 minutes of the mother and daughter zig-zagging through the line, the little boy started to cry because he had a change of heart and now wanted to join his mommy and sister on the ride. At this point, the father sheepishly and apologetically asked the people between he and his wife if he could go under/over the ropes and chains to join the rest of his party. He did not have to cut through the entire length of the line because of the way it wound back and forth. He only needed to go through two sets of chains which meant that only three or four groups would have to make way for he and his son. Now, the crowd could have said: 1. No. You and your son can get in the back of the line and ride separately, and when your wife and daughter finish the ride, they can wait 30 minutes for you at the exit. (This is an accepted solution here on the Dis.) Or, 2. No. Your wife and daughter can let 20 minutes worth of people pass them by while they remain stationary, and that way you can catch up with them. (This is another accepted solution here on the Dis.) Or, 3. Sure. No problem. We “get it”. Slide on by. (This is a "no-no" here). Guess which one happened. Yup. #3. Pixie dust, magic and smiles abounded. But here on the Dis, this is the exact wrong solution. Now, is there a difference between a young boy who has a change of heart and someone else who was off signing up for Jedi Training? Sure. But in order for me to know and appreciate the difference, I would have to ask questions that, frankly, are none of my business. In practice, I find that people are far more accommodating than they pretend to be here. Who wants a silly confrontation to ruin a day at Disney World?
I disagree the dis people would not have let the son and father back to rejoin his mom. We here on the dis have issues when one person gets in line while the rest do something else and then come to join.... I've had this happen and it's not fun.
 
Exactly, I don't get is the outrage if it doesn't affect your wait time at all. You're on line for Haunted Mansion a a Dad is in front of you, 5 minutes before you get on the Mom and child joins him. They are all going to be riding in the same car and you will still get the exact same car you were going to anyway. I struggle to see the problem.


The problem I've had is when groups of teens push past you to join their "friends" who are apparently at the front of the line.... Why do a whole group of people need to stay out of the line? That is rude. I have no problem with children going to the potty or saving a spot for grandma.... But a whole group is not cool.
 
One post and it's antagonistic? I'm thinking you like trouble.

It's SUMMER!

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The problem I've had is when groups of teens push past you to join their "friends" who are apparently at the front of the line.... Why do a whole group of people need to stay out of the line? That is rude. I have no problem with children going to the potty or saving a spot for grandma.... But a whole group is not cool.

Well I don't think ANY of us have said that big groups pushing past are okay. In fact we've pretty much all said that's universally not okay.
 
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