Savannah Guthrie’s mother missing

[AustinTink]

If they were set on torturing Savannah, why wait 3 days to send a ransom note? The torture could begin right away.

I don’t know, although the torture did start from the first second they knew she was missing. 3 days with no communication is also torture.

I don’t watch the Today Show. Did they ever film segments from Nancy’s home? Seems like Savannah featured her mom quite a bit.

 

[mjkacmom]

The comments on social media posts from armchair analysts are starting to veer into really dark places. The one thought I’m seeing most is this was never about money, but about torturing Savannah. Whether it be a crazed fan, or someone just the opposite, someone who doesn’t agree with topics Savannah has championed in the past, it’s chilling to think it could be true.

I hope it is nothing of the sort.

I doubt it, as with most of these big stories, the arm chair detectives get weirder and weirder every day. I can’t imagine how many actually try to contact LE with their “theories.”

 

[mjkacmom]

Owners of houses are on public record. It would be easy to mention the mom in passing to someone. I would think the automatic reaction is, "Where? What neighborhood? Did Savannah buy her mom a nice house?" That person mentions it to someone else who Googles the address on public record, then curiously Google Maps the house. On satellite they see the house is set by itself and is secluded. There is no fence, no neighbors to see anything. They might even think, "Wow, she's off by herself. That could be dangerous." Then, that unfortunately when a plan of their own is germinated.

They are close enough to the Mexican border and the I-10 interstate freeway, where it would be easy to hide her and figure things out as they go along. What they didn't plan on was she has a heart condition and she died on them soon after they took her. That's why it took days to get a ransom note, instead of the next day. They didn't know whether to go through with getting money or to just toss her behind some big cactus out on the desert. They no longer had proof of life. That's why they described taking off her Apple watch and breaking the floodlight in the back, instead of showing the mom still alive.

You should drop them a note!

 

[sam_gordon]

Owners of houses are on public record. It would be easy to mention the mom in passing to someone. I would think the automatic reaction is, "Where? What neighborhood? Did Savannah buy her mom a nice house?" That person mentions it to someone else who Googles the address on public record, then curiously Google Maps the house. On satellite they see the house is set by itself and is secluded. There is no fence, no neighbors to see anything. They might even think, "Wow, she's off by herself. That could be dangerous." Then, that unfortunately when a plan of their own is germinated.

They are close enough to the Mexican border and the I-10 interstate freeway, where it would be easy to hide her and figure things out as they go along. What they didn't plan on was she has a heart condition and she died on them soon after they took her. That's why it took days to get a ransom note, instead of the next day. They didn't know whether to go through with getting money or to just toss her behind some big cactus out on the desert. They no longer had proof of life. That's why they described taking off her Apple watch and breaking the floodlight in the back, instead of showing the mom still alive.

Wasn't there like a four or five hour gap between her getting dropped off by the Uber driver and when they think she disappeared? You're actually suggesting that in the 4-5 hours, the Uber driver "randomly told someone" who then told someone, who looked up the place online, then looked at the satellite view, then planned and executed a kidnapping?

 

[Imzadi]

Wasn't there like a four or five hour gap between her getting dropped off by the Uber driver and when they think she disappeared? You're actually suggesting that in the 4-5 hours, the Uber driver "randomly told someone" who then told someone, who looked up the place online, then looked at the satellite view, then planned and executed a kidnapping?

Or you could look at it, they came up with a plan in 4-5 hours. This wasn't a "street abduction" which has no planning. I don't know how long it takes to plan an abduction. Do YOU?

 

[Imzadi]

I don’t watch the Today Show. Did they ever film segments from Nancy’s home? Seems like Savannah featured her mom quite a bit.

I saw a clip where her mom was on the show and someone asked her mom if she thought of moving. She said she loved being in that house in Tucson, and she loves that area. So, it was known whereabouts she lives.

 

[Marrila]

It's generally well known in Tucson that Savannah is from there and that her mother lives there. Savannah grew up and went to HS in Tucson, attended college in Arizona too.
She's kind of a hometown girl makes good.

 

[AustinTink]

It's generally well known in Tucson that Savannah is from there and that her mother lives there. Savannah grew up and went to HS in Tucson, attended college in Arizona too.
She's kind of a hometown girl makes good.

This makes me think crazed fan rather than random kidnapping for money plot. If it turns out that way, Savannah will never recover. As it is, she and her family will never be whole again.

 

[Imzadi]

You should drop them a note!

I use Google Maps satellite view and street view all the time. For work, I'm often sent to locations in areas or neighborhoods I've never been to. I'm often walking at 6am before any businesses are open. I will "walk" the route Google Maps plans out for me. Every once in a while, I see it directs me along a couple blocks which are actually closed down, abandoned warehouses and possibly no street traffic. I look a couple blocks over, and it's much busier area with well-kept houses, apartments, and a deli or two that are open. So, there is street traffic along that way, even early in the morning. So, I take that route instead.

Sometimes, I have to get off buses in NJ, and I want to see if is an actual bus stop, and not just the middle of nowhere, where there's no way out of there, once I get off. I don't want to end up taking a $50 Uber ride back to civilization, especially if the NJ bus back detoured or cancelled and didn't go down that route back. NJ Transit is notorious for stuff like that.

One time, the route Google Maps planned was through a densely forested area. I checked the street views on both sides of the forest to see if there was actually a wooded path through that people take. As far as I could tell, there wasn't. I recalculated my own route, while I'm still safely at home, to walk several blocks over, skirting the forest, with lots of houses and joggers running along that sidewalk.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I've watched too many true crime shows because I have a few possibilities.

1) It was someone who knew her intimately (family member, friend, neighbor, someone from her immediate area)

2) The ransom notes don't have anything to do with her kidnapping and instead are a separate person(s) just capitalizing on the news coverage on it. While this can happen regardless the waiting for 3 days is something that had me thinking plus it was sent to multiple news organizations and 1 of them was deemed already to be someone who capitalized it; now I thought this was a possibility even before this particular detail came to light

3) The ransom notes are being used to misdirect from the actual crime, akin to #2 could be related to #1 but instead of it being someone unrelated to the crime it could be done by the person who committed the crime.

4) It was a person completely and utterly unrelated to anyone in the circle/acquaintances (similar to the idea put forth of a crazed fan)

I would have thought she may have left her house in a daze where more of a silver alert would want to have been issues but with the surveillance cameras on the house being disconnected that seems to be less likely.

None of this is meant to be super speculative in a gossiping way but I agree with others that there seems to be more information the family themselves knows and they may be coached to say certain things to draw out someone to confess or disclose location of where she may be found (sadly I'm not confident of her being alive but that would be a much kinder conclusion to this).

 

[Imzadi]

It's generally well known in Tucson that Savannah is from there and that her mother lives there. Savannah grew up and went to HS in Tucson, attended college in Arizona too.
She's kind of a hometown girl makes good.

It was also known that Savannah would be heading to Italy to cover the Winter Olympics. While the abductors, so far, get a "A" for pulling off an abduction that the sheriff has publicly stated they have no clues to go on. (They may be keeping real info close to the vest.) The abductors haven't planned well on the after abduction part, IF they thought Savannah will be stuck up in the air, both going to Italy and then getting back, so she will just pay the cryptocurrency, hoping to see her mom again once she lands. I'm not anywhere close to being a millionaire, but I don't think many of them just have their millions as ready cash in a bank account. Even though TV shows like to make us think a ransom can be gathered together in a few hours and paid. I would think that amount of money has to be converted from whatever investments they are in. So she couldn't just send the money while on a plane. And again, they took 3 days before even sending a ransom note.

While they were smart in taking off the Apple watch so the mom couldn't be GPSed. They didn't do enough research to find out the mom has a heart condition in which the watch was synced to. Or that she needs daily meds and they should grab the meds to at least keep her alive long enough to get the money. This is why those of you who say it took a while to plan, they didn't plan enough.

 

[Imzadi]

2) The ransom notes don't have anything to do with her kidnapping and instead are a separate person(s) just capitalizing on the news coverage on it. While this can happen regardless the waiting for 3 days is something that had me thinking plus it was sent to multiple news organizations and 1 of them was deemed already to be someone who capitalized it; now I thought this was a possibility even before this particular detail came to light

The news have said the police have researched some phony ransom notes. They were able to arrest the one guy you mentioned. I hope they are able to really throw the book at him and make him an example that no one should even think about doing this. That they will be sentenced to almost as much time as the real kidnappers. If this wasn't such a high profile case, the sheriff may have only been working with a small crew, (instead of bringing in the FBI right away,) and they could have been wasting time and resources tracking down the wrong guy, only to later find out this was a hoax.

 

[Mizzoufan]

Looks like there searching a drainage ditch close to her house

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The news have said the police have researched some phony ransom notes. They were able to arrest the one guy you mentioned. I hope they are able to really throw the book at him and make him an example that no one should even think about doing this. That they will be sentenced to almost as much time as the real kidnappers. If this wasn't such a high profile case, the sheriff may have only been working with a small crew, (instead of bringing in the FBI right away,) and they could have been wasting time and resources tracking down the wrong guy, only to later find out this was a hoax.

2 messages were made to make it out like it was sent from the same source (days apart), a 3rd (received in between the 1st and second) was the text messages asking if the bitcoin had been sent (that is from the person they have charged). They have not said, to my knowledge that any such ransoms are phony it does not however mean that any such message or demand is actually related to the crime by the virtue of it. The text messages were not in itself a ransom note on technicality at least not in the sense that the other two were. This is from information read from USA Today.

If you watch enough true crime (and read enough local cases as it were for me) the answer to "will they be made an example" is highly controversial and highly dependent on the exact time period and more often than not they do not get a severe punishment if any at all. You do not want someone to be made an example of simply because it's high profile---it sends the wrong message to those who are the average everyday person. At the moment the only crime that person is being charged with is transmitting ransom-related communications (I would have thought obstruction would have been a charge too).

 

[hardcorestitch]

Looks like there searching a drainage ditch close to her house

I hope we don’t hear the wrong NBC News Special Report… prayers…