Saratoga Springs=A Dissappointed DVCer

debbie in Seattle said:
I'm not very happy right now about investing in DVC. I did purchase DVC thinking that I would be able to stay at other resorts. After trying unsuccessfully to make a reservation anywhere but SSR in early January, I'm beginning to think that we are stuck with SSR unless we choose to sell.
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I had heard about all the construction and the HUGE amt of add'l rooms that will be added because of SS and have concerns also since I saw the property for the first time in December. It's urban sprall Disney style! IF I just wanted to go to WDW, not go into the parks and just wanted to get out of the rain here in Seattle, I'd settle for SS. It's like a giant apartment complex!
I'm so glad my homeresort is the Beach Club. Think in the end, Disney may be shooting themselves in the foot and going to have alot of unhappy DVCr's

And THAT is why I always say, "buy where you want to stay". We own all of our points at OKW because that is where we want to stay. We very rarely stay anywhere else, and when we do, it is just for a night or two prior to an OKW stay.
 
I'm sorry your experience at SSR was not a good one. We have stayed there 3 times (BTW it is our home resort) and we love it. I hope your next DVC stay is more magical!
 
debbie in Seattle said:
I had heard about all the construction and the HUGE amt of add'l rooms that will be added because of SS and have concerns also since I saw the property for the first time in December. It's urban sprall Disney style! IF I just wanted to go to WDW, not go into the parks and just wanted to get out of the rain here in Seattle, I'd settle for SS. It's like a giant apartment complex!
I'm so glad my homeresort is the Beach Club. Think in the end, Disney may be shooting themselves in the foot and going to have alot of unhappy DVCr's

Actually there are a great number of us that love our home resort. What you don't like about SSR, we love. What concerns me is that people are buying in, expecting perfection, and expecting to stay any where they choose at 7 months or less. A lot of issues the OP is complaining about are not SSR specific. Has there ever been a dirty bathroom elsewhere? Has the buses ever been late at another resort?

Of course when you expect PERFECTION, you will always be disappointed. I personally am just happy to have the luxury and the health of going to WDW on vacation.
 
An honest question? Do you think you were hard on the resort because it was not your first choice
Honestly, no. I do not feel I am being hard on a place which has not cleaned properly. It is a health issue on that. I also don't feel I am asking too much for a little better service since a) it is DVC/Disney and they strive to provide better service and b) because it is DVC it is supposed to be a world class resort. SS (IMO) is NOT a world class resort. I've stayed at many in my years of business and personal travel. I would consider OKW and the other DVC proprties I've stayed at world class resorts. Are they the Grand Floridian? Not quite but the service I've received in the past at these resorts does rival the service I'v had at the Grand Floridian.

You could make an argument I'm hard on SS because I don't like it when complaining about the lack of a proper restaurant or my belief it has no character. I don't think you can argue I'm being hard on it when you're talking about cleanliness.

Certainly not every resort is going to appeal to everyone. We find Artist's Palette to be very much to our liking as far as a fast food area, certainly better than what OKW offers in fast food in our opinion.I agree an additional sit down would be nice and I understand they are going to add one. Where do you eat when at OKW?
I believe if they wanted to do the fast food/cafeteria style they're shooting for at the Artists Palette they should take some ideas from Port Orleans. Ok, they don't need anything that elaborate but that has been (IMO) one of the best places to grab a quick bite out of any of the resorts I've stayed at. I also don't know how they expect to service the amount of guest which will be there in the future as they build more units. I already saw a huge increase in the number of guests there this year versus last since they opened more units. I said it last year and I'll say it again, it will be WAY too crowded as they add more units. Just not large enough to handle the volume. As to the food choices, well, that's all personal preference but I'd like to see a little wider selection. They've imporved this a bit over last year but still have a way to go.

At OKW I eat at Olivias and, honestly, I'm not impressed by the food quality there for dinner but it's fine for breakfasts/lunches. I'd love to see an additional choice of a cafeteria style eatery there as well. I feel all resorts can benefit from this as many people (like myself and my family) don't always want to do a large sit down breakfast. We'd rather just grab something quickly and be off to the parks.

On the toilet paper issue. I know I can always bring my own, however, with what we've all paid for the membership and our annual dues should I have to? We've all paid different amounts for our points depending on when we bought them but I know none of us got them for CHEAP. I also know we're all paying around or significantly more than $1,000 a year for annual dues. For the amount of money it costs us I don't think it's too much to ask for decent toilet paper. Remember their motto is, "Welcome home!" I can tell you if you came to my house you wouldn't be using the sand paper they give us there to wipe your butt. I'm paying for premium service at premium resorts. Why am I not getting it in all aspects. And I can tell you this toilet paper isn't what they've always had. This is a recent change. I sort of remember this kind of thing. :rolleyes:

I was just curious as to weather all the people you have run into that don't care for SSR are here on the DIS as it's my opinion that very few post about good experiences and just about everyone posts about any bad issue they have at all - no matter which DVC resort
Very good point. People complain about things more readily than they praise things. I can tell you one thing about myself, however, I'm not one of those people. If I like something, I'll be happy to write an email/letter/post about what I liked. I will also do the same when I don't like something. I will be writing DVC about my experiences this time and tell them about the bad stuff but I will also praise (as I did in my post) the Spa facilities. Top notch facilities there.

What I was commenting on is the people I run to throughout Disney World. I tend to strike up conversations with a lot of people. I run into a lot of DVCers and we talk about our favorite resorts. I run into many more people who have disliked SS than who liked it. In fact, on my this trip, I ran into probably 5 or 6 people who didn't like it (many of the same complaints) and only one who did like it (I was talking to them while I was waiting to pick up some packages). Not a scientific survey by any means.

Keep in mind, however, it seems almost everyone who complains about it is someone who has been a DVCer for a while and has stayed at many other resorts. Most of the people who bought at SS seem to love it. Heck, we don't all like the same things, that's for sure. Many people don't even like going to Disney World! :earseek:

FWI, if you were in a 1 bedroom, you should have had 4 bath towels, 4 hand towels, and 4 wash cloths. Since you were 5 people in a 1 bedroom, that might be why you felt you didn't have enough towels.
I have no real problem with this, however, if you're going to bring me more towels, don't just throw them in the room the way they did. Also, when you clean the room, leave me with the same amount as what we have at the time. Do NOT remove the extra towels. And again, if they want to be a world class organization and they see 5 people are staying there, how about adding another towel or two? It's minor but Disney has (for years) done the minor things to make Disney a special place.

Oh, a comment on the bus service. I'm not saying the bus service is bad at SS, I'm saying I've always had complaints about the bus service. As many of you have said, it is hit or miss. And I can understand the logistical nightmare of trying to do this, however, there are times I really wonder what's happening.

For example, on a night for the Very Merry Christmas Party, why do they not increase the amount of busses going to/from MK? Or, on an Extra Magic Hour morning or night, why not increase the amount of busses going to/from that particular park? I understand you can wait 15-20 minutes for a bus. I can deal with that. I think 45 minutes+ is a bit much. We had to do this twice while we were there. One time because the busses were so full nobody could get on. Another time no busses came. I'm not a traffic/mass transit engineer but I just wonder if there's not a better way. It's been like this for years there. Sometimes I have no problems at all and others I wait forever. Just something I've always wondered about.

Anyway, if people out there are ok with dealing with the things I dealt with on my last trip there, that's ok. I'm just unhappy about it. I am writing DVC later today. I'm wondering if the contact info for the GM of SS is on the DVC website. I'd like to copy him/her on my letter to DVC. Anyone know?
 

Of course when you expect PERFECTION, you will always be disappointed.
Good quote, however, I don't think I'm asking for perfection here. I've not experienced the major things I'm complaining about here at other resorts (not talking about the bus service as that's a problem throughout DW).

And someone mentioned SS looking/feeling like an apartment complex. This is a very good observation. That is what it feels like.

Oh, I also have been meaning to mention the main pool. Great pool (IMO), however, why put it where you can't see Downtown Disney? It's so cool to see at night it would be great to sit in the pool and enjoy looking at the lights of DTD. Again, not sure who designed the resort but they just didn't seem to think it through 100%. If they're touting being so close to DTD (which they do) why not use it to their advantage? The pool in Congress Park where we stayed both times has a GREAT view of DTD. Shouldn't the main pool have a view as well? That's the sort of thing which adds character to a resort.
 
Sorry you had such a bad time with your room at SSR. I have to say, I didn't think I'd like staying there at all, but I was pleasantly surprised.

We've almost always stayed at the Beach Club Villas for the last two years, getting lucky with booking at the 7 month window. When we went down in October we didn't have a choice, we HAD to stay at SSR. I wasn't happy about it, and neither was my fiance, UNTIL we got there. I have to say the theming was really done nicely - we got a kick out of the horns that would go off every hour. We stayed in Congress Park, and while it felt like a trek to the main pool and Artist's Pallette, I think my main problem with the walk was the temperature - and there's nothing Disney can do about that. Although, it would be nice if they could just put a temperature controlled dome over all of WDW to make it pleasant year round :rotfl:.

We didn't expect to enjoy our stay at SSR at all, because we're spoiled by all the different modes of transportation at BCV and the ability to walk into Epcot. But, we were pleasantly surprised and are happy that SSR is our home.
 
last month. It was our first trip home since we bought into DVC and SSR is our home resort.

I'm not generally a person who complains and I never called the front desk to complain about some things... Like the phone not working in the living room... we found a HUGE water bug/cockaroach that freaked the heck out of my little girls... Our room was clean when we arrived and staying there I didn't actually feel like I was at Disney, if that makes any sense..?

The Artist Palette doesn't have a big enough selection of food if you are staying there for a week and want to eat something different.

I'm hoping to stay at either BCV or BWV next time to get a different feel, hopefully I'll be able to book at the 7 month window but I'm having my doubts!!

The toilets flush so Strongly I was afraid it was going to suck my 5 year old down. WOW, it has to be heard to be believed!! LOL.

I'm sorry you didn't have a pleasant visit and like you said what you are paying (point wise) and all you do expect better than average or at least average!!
 
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Let me start by saying that my DH and I have been enjoying our Disney vacations since our honeymoon {19 years ago}. Our two DH's started coming while babies. We began by staying at the Caribbean Resort {numerous times} and have stayed at Animal Kingdom Lodge, Wilderness Lodge, Coronado Resort , All Stars and even Pop Century. We are Disney fanatics! Every visit began with an audible WoW as we entered each resort. SSR is our home resort and we just bought this year. Our first visit home was Thanksgiving week. We did not experience the WOW...dead silence in the car as we approached. It's attractive enough but there's nothing "WoW" about it. We stayed at Congress Park and found our walk both to DTD and the common areas was both unattractive and cumbersome {we probably should have stayed at either Springs or the Congress Park building closer to the path.
We also did not care for the food {although we did have a good breakfast one morning}. At previous resorts there were always a lot of people enjoying late night snacks at the food courts or near the pool. This place was dead at night...we were the only ones who seemed to come out for a snack. Also the restaurant closed too early...not conducive to coming to the Artist Pallette to socialize with other DVC'ers.
My two DS's also hated the fold out bed. For the amount of money we're spending a decent bed would have been nice. I also understood that the one bedrooms also offer sofa beds instead of beds. Old Key West my be our next option since they always offer beds! It would be a great idea if DVC'ers
had a choice between a bed or sofabed...maybe have several rooms which offered beds for those who prefer them?
I am very disappointed in SSR. We were so excited about our first trip "home" and I have never complained about our accomodations in the past, but we bought sight unseen and are now rethinking our choice. We toured OKW and the BCV and love them. We hope that we can come home to them in the future.
I'll close by saying that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and this could be another man's "treasure" but we will opt to try the other DVC properties...at least for now. Hopefully some of the kinks will be ironed out after SSR becomes more established...Here's hoping!
 
disneygal55 said:
Let me start by saying that my DH and I have been enjoying our Disney vacations since our honeymoon {19 years ago}. Our two DH's started coming while babies. We began by staying at the Caribbean Resort {numerous times} and have stayed at Animal Kingdom Lodge, Wilderness Lodge, Coronado Resort , All Stars and even Pop Century. We are Disney fanatics! Every visit began with an audible WoW as we entered each resort. SSR is our home resort and we just bought this year. Our first visit home was Thanksgiving week. We did not experience the WOW...dead silence in the car as we approached. It's attractive enough but there's nothing "WoW" about it. We stayed at Congress Park and found our walk both to DTD and the common areas was both unattractive and cumbersome {we probably should have stayed at either Springs or the Congress Park building closer to the path.
We also did not care for the food {although we did have a good breakfast one morning}. At previous resorts there were always a lot of people enjoying late night snacks at the food courts or near the pool. This place was dead at night...we were the only ones who seemed to come out for a snack. Also the restaurant closed too early...not conducive to coming to the Artist Pallette to socialize with other DVC'ers.
My two DS's also hated the fold out bed. For the amount of money we're spending a decent bed would have been nice. I also understood that the one bedrooms also offer sofa beds instead of beds. Old Key West my be our next option since they always offer beds! It would be a great idea if DVC'ers
had a choice between a bed or sofabed...maybe have several rooms which offered beds for those who prefer them?
I am very disappointed in SSR. We were so excited about our first trip "home" and I have never complained about our accomodations in the past, but we bought sight unseen and are now rethinking our choice. We toured OKW and the BCV and love them. We hope that we can come home to them in the future.
I'll close by saying that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and this could be another man's "treasure" but we will opt to try the other DVC properties...at least for now. Hopefully some of the kinks will be ironed out after SSR becomes more established...Here's hoping!


We are by no means night owls but when you're on vacation you like to stay up late and just take it easy. One night we went to the Turf Club and they stop making meals at 10pm. One day my dh and I took our two girls to the pool to swim and the bar by the pool never opened for whatever reason. There was no sign saying why it was closed. And that bar closes at 6pm, when you're on vacation you want to lounge by the pool with a pina colada! If the pool is open until 10pm why is the bar closing at 6pm! The place was dead at night, I felt weird walking around, I thought we would see alot more people out and about.

I know what you mean about the no WOW part... I didn't feel like I was at Disney... We did tour the place before buying so it's not like we didn't know exactly what we were buying but I guess we were expecting a bit more *Magic*. We stayed at The Paddock but the bus stop we used was Congress Park b/c the other bus stop was way toooo far for us. We had to walk across the lawn to get to the bus stop otherwise we would have had to walk all the way around the back of the building. I think there is an insane amount of walking involved at that resort (not sure if that's true of the others). Hoping to stay somewhere else next time for a different feel!
 
debbie in Seattle said:
I'm not very happy right now about investing in DVC. I did purchase DVC thinking that I would be able to stay at other resorts. After trying unsuccessfully to make a reservation anywhere but SSR in early January, I'm beginning to think that we are stuck with SSR unless we choose to sell.
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I had heard about all the construction and the HUGE amt of add'l rooms that will be added because of SS and have concerns also since I saw the property for the first time in December. It's urban sprall Disney style! IF I just wanted to go to WDW, not go into the parks and just wanted to get out of the rain here in Seattle, I'd settle for SS. It's like a giant apartment complex!
I'm so glad my homeresort is the Beach Club. Think in the end, Disney may be shooting themselves in the foot and going to have alot of unhappy DVCr's


This is why we bought a resale contract for BWV. We KNEW we didn't like SSR. We liked what was there before - we'd stayed at DI for years. We realized DI had seen better days and needed updating, and we were sorry to see it go. We had high hopes for the replacement. But we were NOT impressed with SSR. We disliked its size, decor and quality. (I found the "theme-ing" thin and uninspiring. The guy with the Imagination must have been out to lunch for this one.) The large number of planned units impressed us even less. We see it as an attempt to get as many bodies (and contracts) per square foot into a spralling, over-sized DVC project as possible. I'm glad that many or most of the people who bought there are happy with it, be we wouldn't be.

Our last stay at BWV was as close to perfect as a stay at WDW can possibly be. We mentioned several time that we're SO glad it's our home resort. We also like the other DVC resorts (love OKW) - but not SSR. I'm really hoping that in the future, DVC puts the brakes on any further mega-sized "apartment complex" DVC plans. If SSR is their benchmark, they won't do the DVC brand any favors.

DisFlan
 
As a minor point of fact, SSR does a very good job of capturing the look, feel and theming of SS, NY; just as OKW does for KW, FL and VWL does the great NW Lodges. It's fine to say that you don't like the theming of a particular resort; it's inappropriate to say that it doesn't have any theming just because you don't like that style. For example, BCV's theme says boring, annoying Thurston Howell III snob to me, but I can't deny that it is wonderfully themed.

IMHO - YMMV
 
Deb & Bill said:
When you stay in a studio or one bedroom, you only get four bathtowels, two hand towels and four (or maybe only two) facecloths. When you have a two bedroom, you get eight, four and eight (maybe only four). DVC resorts don't get unlimited towels.

I'm not really sure what size accomodations you had. But you may have had the appropriate number of linens for the villa.


That wasn't true in our case. We stayed at BWV last week with 2 adults and 3 children in a 1 bdr. We had about 4 towels in the bathroom shower area and I called housekeeping for more towels and pillows, she arrived in 10 minutes with 3 more pillows and a gigantic stack of towels. she told me if I needed any more just to call. When I carried the new towels into the tub area of the bathroom, I noticed there were 4 more towels already in there. On our full cleaning day they replaced ALL of the towels with new ones. Housekeeping was wonderful at the BWV and we tipped them well when we checked out.
 
DrTomorrow said:
As a minor point of fact, SSR does a very good job of capturing the look, feel and theming of SS, NY; just as OKW does for KW, FL and VWL does the great NW Lodges. It's fine to say that you don't like the theming of a particular resort; it's inappropriate to say that it doesn't have any theming just because you don't like that style. For example, BCV's theme says boring, annoying Thurston Howell III snob to me, but I can't deny that it is wonderfully themed.

IMHO - YMMV

Thank you for explaining very well, what I try to say at times about certain complaints about SSR. Same with Artist's Pallette. While the food offerings might not appeal to everyone, they certainly do to us, more than any other fast food area at any DVC resort. Also as to the number of selections they offer more if not the same number, it's just that what they offer is different.
So while one might say they don't care for what AP offers, its not accurate to say they don't offer many selections.

Same with the toliet paper, it is horrible, but its horrible everywhere.

As to SSR being large I truly do not feel this when there, anymore than at OKW. Believe me I would rather walk from any room at SSR to the main food area than from the South end of OKW back up to the HH, that is a major hike.
 
Rozzie said:
sorry you had a bad experience, but frankly, I would have grabbed some papertowels, cleanded up the hairs, and then leave to go enjoy the rest of my vacation. It might be gross to some, but as a nurse, nothing really grosses me out anymore. True, I would have been annoyed, but I would not let it linger in the back of my mind the entire trip. I try very hard to not let anything, or anyone ruin our much planned and anticipated trips.

I guess I kind of agree with this. Not necessily the OP, but I think many DVCers are under the impression that housekeeping is on their hands and knees scrubbing the bathroom floor with Lysol between each guest. I've found hair in every DVC bathroom I've stayed in, some more than others. If it were excessive, I'd call for cleaning. I suspect that most times hair blends into the background floor color and goes unnoticed. We usually travel with some disinfectant spray cleaner for those mystery smears you can find at any hotel.

I don't know what housekeeping does to get hair out of the bathroom, vacuuming seems like it would be the only effective method, otherwise it just gets moved around. The upright vacuums in the unit are not the best design for that purpose. Cleaning in the bathrooms is likely to be a "quickie-once-over". Wipe, wipe, spray some disinfectant around the toilet and shower/tub area and rinse it away. I have more of an issue when I find suspect hairs in the bedspreads, which has happened. Now, hairs can appear from the washing process itself, but if I suspect otherwise, I call for a clean bedspread or I launder it myself.

As far a WDW goes, I expect an excellent illusion of clean, but not a "real" clean. We wipe down for the first 1/2 hour we are in the unit. Then we enjoy our vacation plans.
 
Disney Freak Numero Uno said:
My husband and I just got back from SSR last night. It was our first stay there. Our studio was clean and we were given the appropriate number of towels so I can't complain that. Also, I liked that the resort was not crowded at all. We were lucky enough to be in the Springs section. I can't imagine the long walk one might have from any of the other sections to get to Artist's Palette, the spa, or the pool.
Also, the first morning I walked over to get coffee at around 7 am and found that the restaurant doesn't open until 7:30!!! I realize that we could have made our own but for a very short trip (3 days), I don't like to have to bother buying supplies.
Also, Artist's Palette really doesn't have the selection that many other resort restaurants have. We really weren't happy with it at all.
My husband insists that we stay at the Beach Club this summer but I'm not optimistic about getting a reservation there 7 months before. Our only alternative would be to use our points for hotel stays instead. I'm not very happy right now about investing in DVC. I did purchase DVC thinking that I would be able to stay at other resorts. After trying unsuccessfully to make a reservation anywhere but SSR in early January, I'm beginning to think that we are stuck with SSR unless we choose to sell.

Points are higher in the summer, if you call right at 7 months you should be able to get into BCV. But you will have to call right at 7 months.
 
I did not like the people at SSR. Lots of trash
 
Disney Freak Numero Uno said:
My husband and I just got back from SSR last night. It was our first stay there. Our studio was clean and we were given the appropriate number of towels so I can't complain that. Also, I liked that the resort was not crowded at all. We were lucky enough to be in the Springs section. I can't imagine the long walk one might have from any of the other sections to get to Artist's Palette, the spa, or the pool.
Also, the first morning I walked over to get coffee at around 7 am and found that the restaurant doesn't open until 7:30!!! I realize that we could have made our own but for a very short trip (3 days), I don't like to have to bother buying supplies.
Also, Artist's Palette really doesn't have the selection that many other resort restaurants have. We really weren't happy with it at all.
My husband insists that we stay at the Beach Club this summer but I'm not optimistic about getting a reservation there 7 months before. Our only alternative would be to use our points for hotel stays instead. I'm not very happy right now about investing in DVC. I did purchase DVC thinking that I would be able to stay at other resorts. After trying unsuccessfully to make a reservation anywhere but SSR in early January, I'm beginning to think that we are stuck with SSR unless we choose to sell.


Our DVC guide pushed SSR strongly and told us there would be no problem staying at BWV or BCV (our first choices) in early Dec or Oct. We didn't really care for the location of SSR that much and a biggie for me was the lack of onsite restaurants (I know they are now building one). I also really do think it looks like a huge apartment complex (I realize some people like that about SSR) We hesitated about buying for about 6 months, I just didn't trust that I'd always be able to book an Epcot resort if it wasn't our home resort and that's ALL DH wanted. He is an Epcot junkie. Then, we found this board, learned of the Timeshare store and bought BWV. Several times last week DH and I commented that we were so happy this was our home resort. I think the advice "buy where you want to stay" is so true. I know some people who buy SSR love it. But there are others like us, who were going to buy just because that's what they were selling, with plans to stay elsewhere. We were just lucky to find this board. :)
 
gadgetRick, remember it helps to keep our dues down if we all just pitch in and sweep up the short curlies on our own. The Disney housekeepers work hard and we should just tip them because thay don't make a liveable wage. There's absolutely no sense in expecting them to do a good job, though, since they are so underpaid. ( I must defend Disney, I think I've been hypnotized by one of those characters or something. Cannot help self... )

As to the TP issue, I've been hearing a rumor that, in keeping with the themeing at my home resort of VWL, they will be doing away with TP altogether at VWL and putting in buckets of leaves and bark. That will be a little softer than the current stuff anyway...
 
JimFitz said:
I did not like the people at SSR. Lots of trash

With titles such as, possum chauffeur
Always find out who the poop belongs to...
My head said "run like the wind Fat Man"

I am going to assume you are joking. ;)
 
JimFitz said:
I did not like the people at SSR. Lots of trash

Okay, I'll bite -

I'm hoping you mean the small stuff littering the ground. Or possibly the CMs who might not remove it in a timely manner?

Otherwise, we don't wanna go there. That big white thing isn't trash. That's the Cirque tent.

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