Sandusky - trial

HLN reported that if he isn't in a sex offender unit, he may be put in a geriatric unit. Other men in their 70's/80's are less likely to murder him than the general population of a regular prison unit. Or so they say.

Dottie Sandusky visited him today. Where he is, he gets a one hour visit per week, planned at least 24 hrs in advance. No sign of his kids.

I read about Ray Gricar, the former attorney general (whose wife had worked for Penn State and who decided NOT to prosecute Jerry Sandusky back in '98), who went missing in 2005 and has never been found. Very weird story.

Yep. Ray Gricar was a good district attorney for our county. Something is seriously wrong with that, too. How can the District Attorney just vanish?

Thinking about how many at PSU knew for years, how the local police knew, how the district attorney knew, but those of us here had no idea that there was a child sex offender still roaming around. :mad:
All these years people knew and kept it quiet.
I believe they have golf tournaments, etc. for the Second Mile, and they showed Sandusky as a great man. Kept on having those fundraising things with many knowing what he was accused of several times. Absolutely sick. :sad2:

Nice to know he already got to visit with his wife the day after he was convicted. I have a feeling old Jer is going to be spending his days in state prison watching tv in his cell and eating 3 meals per day. That's not punishment, but I believe that is how it will be for him.
 
You have to wonder what Dottie thinks of her son that was ready to testify that her husband abused him too. Does she really believe JS was innocent of these charges, still?
 
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. I wish I could stand up and cheer that this monster if finally off the streets and going to be locked up and miserable for the rest of his disgusting life.

Yet all I seem to be able to do is let loose some tears for all those abused little boys.

Dottie Sandusky deserves her own brand of hell for letting this happen for all these years.

I agree with the bolded completely.

There was a guy in my neighborhood about ten years ago that was tried and convicted for similar crimes to Sandusky. He even resembled him physically somewhat, now that I think about it. Anyway, this disgusting pig was molesting neighborhood kids and would probably still be doing it if his wife hadn't finally turned him in. One day she just called the police and told them what her husband had been doing. If only Dottie or any of the others had done the same, maybe some of these poor kids would've been spared.

May Sandusky rot in his cell and then burn in a place that rhymes with cell.
 

You have to wonder what Dottie thinks of her son that was ready to testify that her husband abused him too. Does she really believe JS was innocent of these charges, still?

Sadly, it's not uncommon for families to turn on the victims who come forward. They would rather proceed with the facade for the public at large than admit what is really happening and protecting the victim. Not always, but not uncommon either. :sad1:

I was told that the sister of the man who molested me as a child (extended family member) was angry that it was starting to come out a couple of years ago and said, "Well, it really wasn't that bad." She was immediately chastised by her sister, but she would really rather have the family keep looking good and blame me instead. Hard to believe, but true nonetheless.
 
Is McQueary going to sue? For what?? He witnessed a rape and didn't do anything about it and now he wants money?

The university recently reported a $1.8 billion endowment. But both sides have reasons not to want to go to court, said Jason Kutulakis, a Harrisburg-area lawyer who specializes in child welfare and juvenile law. Victims are reluctant to get on the stand and have their credibility attacked, he said.

But ''Penn State's got so much egg on their face, they probably just want to make it all go away,'' he said.

For now, the school is facing one lawsuit from an accuser, Travis Weaver, who was not among those represented in the criminal case against Sandusky.

Lawyers for McQueary, who testified against Sandusky, have signaled their intent to sue, along with a lawyer for one accuser, so-called Victim 5.
 
but McQueary did try and do something. He told people in charge. People who should have done something. I realize McQueary should HAVE DONE MORE. He was only a grad assistant, accusing a highly respected person in Centre County of raping children. When you tell the authorities and they do NOTHING, what kind of statement does that make. That nothing will happen. Had Schultz done the appropriate thing back in 2001 then McQueary would have been a hero and not lost all his coaching job potential.

I am not saying I condone McQueary walking away, however you have no idea what you would do in the situation. Hopefully this experience will remind people to stop and ask questions. Just watch that TV show What Would You Do, and how MANY people do nothing.

Rail away
 
but McQueary did try and do something. He told people in charge. People who should have done something. I realize McQueary should HAVE DONE MORE. He was only a grad assistant, accusing a highly respected person in Centre County of raping children. When you tell the authorities and they do NOTHING, what kind of statement does that make. That nothing will happen. Had Schultz done the appropriate thing back in 2001 then McQueary would have been a hero and not lost all his coaching job potential.

I am not saying I condone McQueary walking away, however you have no idea what you would do in the situation. Hopefully this experience will remind people to stop and ask questions. Just watch that TV show What Would You Do, and how MANY people do nothing.

Rail away

I don't think he'd have been a hero regardless, as he still wandered off after seeing a boy being assaulted.

I think most people know what they'd do, honestly, to some extent. I mean the 'I'd run in and...' no, but there are so MANY options besides that that he didn't take.

He didn't call the cops. Believe me, if you call the cops and say you just now witnessed a child rape in progress, they'll get there really, really fast.

He didn't find someone else to help, etc., etc.

He didn't tell 'the authorities,' he told the school authorities. Yes, he was only a grad assistant. He was also a grown human being. Common sense tells most of us that wandering off and maybe calling our boss the next morning about seeing a child being sexually assaulted isn't the course of action to take.
 
but McQueary did try and do something. He told people in charge. People who should have done something. I realize McQueary should HAVE DONE MORE. He was only a grad assistant, accusing a highly respected person in Centre County of raping children. When you tell the authorities and they do NOTHING, what kind of statement does that make. That nothing will happen. Had Schultz done the appropriate thing back in 2001 then McQueary would have been a hero and not lost all his coaching job potential.

I am not saying I condone McQueary walking away, however you have no idea what you would do in the situation. Hopefully this experience will remind people to stop and ask questions. Just watch that TV show What Would You Do, and how MANY people do nothing.

Rail away

1. If I walk in on a rape, I can't predict with certainty what I might do (does the person have a gun, are they significantly bigger than me, etc) but I know for a FACT that I would NOT call my daddy! And I would like to believe that if I am an athletic adult football player, I would kick some serious ***.

2. Whether you think McQueary handled it to the best of his ability or not isn't the issue at this point. The question is why the heck is he suing? What possible reason could he have to profit from this?
 
Why would you want to punish people who weren't even at the school and in many cases not even in the state at the time?

I'm all for going after anyone who had anything to do with the abuse, but I draw the line at punishing people who had nothing to do with it.

Because this was covered up by the INSTITUION of Penn State and the Institution should feel the pain. I don't think you can separate out the players or the current coach from the Institution. If they remain part of the institution, they will be part of the consequences that occur.
 
but McQueary did try and do something. He told people in charge. People who should have done something. I realize McQueary should HAVE DONE MORE. He was only a grad assistant, accusing a highly respected person in Centre County of raping children. When you tell the authorities and they do NOTHING, what kind of statement does that make. That nothing will happen. Had Schultz done the appropriate thing back in 2001 then McQueary would have been a hero and not lost all his coaching job potential.

I am not saying I condone McQueary walking away, however you have no idea what you would do in the situation. Hopefully this experience will remind people to stop and ask questions. Just watch that TV show What Would You Do, and how MANY people do nothing.

Rail away

As a person who always does something when I see something happening where I know I should be assisting, I would have stopped the attack, called the police, the media and anyone else I could have to get the story out.

There is no gray in this situation.
 
Seriously - 911. It's not that hard.

Mcqueary should go find a rock to hide under.
 
but McQueary did try and do something. He told people in charge. People who should have done something. I realize McQueary should HAVE DONE MORE. He was only a grad assistant, accusing a highly respected person in Centre County of raping children. When you tell the authorities and they do NOTHING, what kind of statement does that make. That nothing will happen. Had Schultz done the appropriate thing back in 2001 then McQueary would have been a hero and not lost all his coaching job potential.

I am not saying I condone McQueary walking away, however you have no idea what you would do in the situation. Hopefully this experience will remind people to stop and ask questions. Just watch that TV show What Would You Do, and how MANY people do nothing.

Rail away

He was a person who witnessed a boy being raped. When you don't do the right thing at the moment, what you do do amounts to nothing.
 
but McQueary did try and do something. He told people in charge. People who should have done something. I realize McQueary should HAVE DONE MORE. He was only a grad assistant, accusing a highly respected person in Centre County of raping children. When you tell the authorities and they do NOTHING, what kind of statement does that make. That nothing will happen. Had Schultz done the appropriate thing back in 2001 then McQueary would have been a hero and not lost all his coaching job potential.

I am not saying I condone McQueary walking away, however you have no idea what you would do in the situation. Hopefully this experience will remind people to stop and ask questions. Just watch that TV show What Would You Do, and how MANY people do nothing.

Rail away
You won't be slammed by me.

Having not ever been in this situation myself, I can sit here and say with certainty that I would have run in there, beat the **** out of Sandusky, and called 9.1.1. Or something else "better" than what McQueary did. (Oh wait...that's if I wasn't dizzy and vomiting or hyperventilating or having a heart attack or stroke.) But I wasn't there, and I can't imagine the horror and the flood of thoughts that would run through my head. He didn't stop it when he should have, but he didn't just walk away completely...he did tell. At that point, there was a line of command to follow (and from what I understand, that has now been changed), and he did his part. Certainly, he should have and could have done more. The ball was dropped by tons of people over the years with more power than McQueary.

There was a recent "What Would You Do" type of segment on The Today Show, I think. There was a man with a child in a bakery, and a "Missing" sign with a picture of that child and a phone number to call. I don't think anyone called it, or did anything else, even though at least one woman was obviously very aware that that little girl looked like the picture. Again, I feel SURE, sitting here in my living room, that I would be better than ALL those other people who didn't do anything. Or would I?

A few years ago, there was a series of bomb threats over several weeks in the HS (took two hours out of each day, plus police and fire departments time/expense). They found out who did it and the student was expelled. My DD told me that he had posted on FB that he was extremely sorry and extremely depressed...that he had screwed up his whole life. AND...that he was going to sneak into the school the following Monday to say good-bye to people. I called the police and spoke to the detective in charge of the case, and was shocked that I got brushed off. I felt like I was being viewed as some neurotic over-reactor. The detective said "Well, he can't get into the school without getting buzzed in." Because no one ever held the door for someone behind them? Because a fellow student would NEVER stick something in another door to hold it open so he could get in? Had he gone there and shot up the school, how many people would have said I should have gone over that detective's head. I put my trust in the person who knows a lot more than me, but I felt very uneasy. Turns out...nothing happened. So how would I react next time?

Back after 9/11, there were all sorts of statements from DISers questioning the lack of action taken by the passengers of the first planes...if the last plane's passengers could take down a plane so it didn't reach Washington, why didn't the passengers on the first planes just jump the hijackers. We'd have such a different outcome. Obviously, the last plane's passengers knew what was going on, but still, that wasn't enough of an explanation for some DISers...THEY would have just jumped those first hijackers. :rolleyes:

Hopefully, so many things will change now that this was such a big case and had this outcome. Hopefully, with all the thinking about it and talking it about, people will be more likely to react immediately and in the best interest of the victim. I wouldn't in a million years have had this scenario even enter my thoughts had it not been for this case. But it has now.

Just like changes are made when there are other tragedies, there will be many changes made now. When there have been overwhelming fatal fires, there are changes made in laws, and in people's own minds. When the Titanic sunk, there were changes made regarding lifeboats. At this point, I hope every state is looking at their child abuse and reporting laws, trial procedures (PA now allows expert testimony about "grooming" victims I think now?), hiring procedures...everything, with the goal that this sort of thing won't ever happen again.
 
He was a person who witnessed a boy being raped. When you don't do the right thing at the moment, what you do do amounts to nothing.
In other words, since he didn't stop the rape, he never should have even reported it?
 
In other words, since he didn't stop the rape, he never should have even reported it?

Um no, not in other words since that isn't what I said. I never said he shouldn't have done anything, I said what he did amounts to nothing. If he didn't stop the rape he should have called the police immediately since a grown man having sex with a boy is a crime, a heinous one at that. So yeah what he did amounts to nothing and there is no defense for his inaction IMO.
 
You won't be slammed by me.

Having not ever been in this situation myself, I can sit here and say with certainty that I would have run in there, beat the **** out of Sandusky, and called 9.1.1. Or something else "better" than what McQueary did. (Oh wait...that's if I wasn't dizzy and vomiting or hyperventilating or having a heart attack or stroke.) But I wasn't there, and I can't imagine the horror and the flood of thoughts that would run through my head. He didn't stop it when he should have, but he didn't just walk away completely...he did tell. At that point, there was a line of command to follow (and from what I understand, that has now been changed), and he did his part. Certainly, he should have and could have done more. The ball was dropped by tons of people over the years with more power than McQueary.

There was a recent "What Would You Do" type of segment on The Today Show, I think. There was a man with a child in a bakery, and a "Missing" sign with a picture of that child and a phone number to call. I don't think anyone called it, or did anything else, even though at least one woman was obviously very aware that that little girl looked like the picture. Again, I feel SURE, sitting here in my living room, that I would be better than ALL those other people who didn't do anything. Or would I?

A few years ago, there was a series of bomb threats over several weeks in the HS (took two hours out of each day, plus police and fire departments time/expense). They found out who did it and the student was expelled. My DD told me that he had posted on FB that he was extremely sorry and extremely depressed...that he had screwed up his whole life. AND...that he was going to sneak into the school the following Monday to say good-bye to people. I called the police and spoke to the detective in charge of the case, and was shocked that I got brushed off. I felt like I was being viewed as some neurotic over-reactor. The detective said "Well, he can't get into the school without getting buzzed in." Because no one ever held the door for someone behind them? Because a fellow student would NEVER stick something in another door to hold it open so he could get in? Had he gone there and shot up the school, how many people would have said I should have gone over that detective's head. I put my trust in the person who knows a lot more than me, but I felt very uneasy. Turns out...nothing happened. So how would I react next time?

Back after 9/11, there were all sorts of statements from DISers questioning the lack of action taken by the passengers of the first planes...if the last plane's passengers could take down a plane so it didn't reach Washington, why didn't the passengers on the first planes just jump the hijackers. We'd have such a different outcome. Obviously, the last plane's passengers knew what was going on, but still, that wasn't enough of an explanation for some DISers...THEY would have just jumped those first hijackers. :rolleyes

I agree completely. You never know how you're going to react until you're actually in the situation.
 
Because this was covered up by the INSTITUION of Penn State and the Institution should feel the pain. I don't think you can separate out the players or the current coach from the Institution. If they remain part of the institution, they will be part of the consequences that occur.

I don't know, it just seems unfair to punish people who had as little knowledge of the abuse as I did. Thousands of people went to work and school there everyday and had absolutely no connection to Sandusky and did nothing to help cover up any of his actions. Not to mention the students who weren't even there yet!
 
Um no, not in other words since that isn't what I said. I never said he shouldn't have done anything, I said what he did amounts to nothing. If he didn't stop the rape he should have called the police immediately since a grown man having sex with a boy is a crime, a heinous one at that. So yeah what he did amounts to nothing and there is no defense for his inaction IMO.
Um, yes, if what he DID amounts to NOTHING, I don't really know how to interpret what you said as anything except that he shouldn't have reported it at all. This was not a case of inaction. That would be not doing anything. He did do something. Perhaps not the right thing or the best thing, or what apparently EVERY DISer would have done, but I don't see what he DID DO as being "nothing." :confused3
 

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