Sandusky - trial

[Maggie Lizer]

I can hardly een read the updates - sick, sick, sick. All of the adults involed should be hanged.

 

[NY Disney fan]

No human being worthy of life would have walked out of that locker room and left the boy in the shower with his rapist. Full stop.

Of course..in theory. But we don't know WHAT McQueary saw. He probably rationalized that the boy was "of age". Maybe he just saw arms and legs then ran out of the room. Maybe Sandusky told him everything was "cool". Again, I'm not defending him, but I don't think it was black & white for McQueary (at the time). NOW its black and white. But before he was probably in shock.

I think McQueary will be living with the guilt for a long time. That will teach him to be apathetic. It is a lesson for all of us.

 

[disneysnowflake]

http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/other/Curley-Schultz-Hearing-Transcript.pdf

What McQueary saw starts in page 12. It's from the hearing for those 2 buttheads who didn't report anything, either.

Sick, sick, sick.

 

[FireDancer]

Of course..in theory. But we don't know WHAT McQueary saw. He probably rationalized that the boy was "of age". Maybe he just saw arms and legs then ran out of the room.

Yes we do, it is on the record as sworn testimony. Have you read it? It is quite clear that even in the moment he knew that the act was sexual and estimated the boy as 10 to 12.

I will reiterate that seeing what McQueary says he saw (not what we interpret that he saw but what he swore under oath he saw) the only acceptable option is to pull Sandusky off the kid. Maybe if he had left and called 911 I would give him a small semblance of a pass but he didn't. He called daddy and then did nothing until the next day at which time a bunch of other people did nothing.

There will always be child molesters and pedophiles in the world. It is a sad fact but still a fact. When the rest of us turn a blind eye and not only ignore it but help to facilitate it we are truly doomed as a society. That is what happened in this situation. I've seen more outrage about pool hopping and reusing refillable mugs from previous trips than I have about the systematic rape of children by some of the PSU/JoPa apologists in this whole ordeal. They are all guilty of what happened to those boys and God himself couldn't convince me otherwise.

 

[luvmy3]

The only acceptable reaction when he witnessed what he testified that he witnessed was to pull Sandusky off the kid and call 911 right then and there. Walking out of the locker room and leaving that kid with Sandusky, calling his father, and then telling a useless piece of garbage football coach what you witnessed after the fact is not "doing what he had to do".

No human being worthy of life would have walked out of that locker room and left the boy in the shower with his rapist. Full stop.

This- 1000 times.

 

[Robinrs]

I'll save my anger and disgust for the perpetrator. Everyone else is either stupid, and enabler or whatever, no matter, these people are smart enough to get away with this kind of crap like Sandusky did for years. After he is punished, THEN I'll villify the others.

What bothers me is the way those victims are going to be beaten up by the defense. I know they have very few choices to defend him but the money part is so pathetic. I know many abused children who are now adults and reliving it is bad enough without being browbeaten by some overpaid creep in a suit.

I wish just ONE person would accuse him of the same thing, "isn't it TRUE, Mr. Defense Attorney, that you took on defending a known pedophile for MONEY?"

 

[LuLuO]

I would love to see every person who was part of this locked in a barn and then have the barn set on fire. They are all irredemable pieces of garbage from Sandusky and his wife to anyone who know at that school or charity.

When that evil old coot Paterno kicked the bucket I danced a little jig. I was happier to hear of his death than I was Bin Laden's and I hope to break out the dancing shoes when Sandusky gets a broom handle in prison and McQueary gets a little street justice from someone (fingers crossed).

The only acceptable reaction when he witnessed what he testified that he witnessed was to pull Sandusky off the kid and call 911 right then and there. Walking out of the locker room and leaving that kid with Sandusky, calling his father, and then telling a useless piece of garbage football coach what you witnessed after the fact is not "doing what he had to do".

No human being worthy of life would have walked out of that locker room and left the boy in the shower with his rapist. Full stop.

Yes we do, it is on the record as sworn testimony. Have you read it? It is quite clear that even in the moment he knew that the act was sexual and estimated the boy as 10 to 12.

I will reiterate that seeing what McQueary says he saw (not what we interpret that he saw but what he swore under oath he saw) the only acceptable option is to pull Sandusky off the kid. Maybe if he had left and called 911 I would give him a small semblance of a pass but he didn't. He called daddy and then did nothing until the next day at which time a bunch of other people did nothing.

There will always be child molesters and pedophiles in the world. It is a sad fact but still a fact. When the rest of us turn a blind eye and not only ignore it but help to facilitate it we are truly doomed as a society. That is what happened in this situation. I've seen more outrage about pool hopping and reusing refillable mugs from previous trips than I have about the systematic rape of children by some of the PSU/JoPa apologists in this whole ordeal. They are all guilty of what happened to those boys and God himself couldn't convince me otherwise.

I completely agree with FireDancer.

I am about as far removed from this situation as one could possibly be but I am, and have been, so angry over this horrible situation and I don't know what to do about it. Every time I see that monster's disgusting smirk I want to vomit.

Regarding McQueary, another person who makes me want to vomit, there are no excuses for his cowardice. By walking out of that room and leaving that boy there, he condoned Sandusky's behavior. I can say with 100% certainty that if I walk in on a similar situation the perp wouldn't know what hit him. I would protect the child at all costs.

 

[NY Disney fan]

I'll save my anger and disgust for the perpetrator. Everyone else is either stupid, and enabler or whatever, no matter, these people are smart enough to get away with this kind of crap like Sandusky did for years. After he is punished, THEN I'll villify the others.

Yeah, I agree with this.

 

[minkydog]

I completely agree with FireDancer.

I am about as far removed from this situation as one could possibly be but I am, and have been, so angry over this horrible situation and I don't know what to do about it. Every time I see that monster's disgusting smirk I want to vomit.

Regarding McQueary, another person who makes me want to vomit, there are no excuses for his cowardice. By walking out of that room and leaving that boy there, he condoned Sandusky's behavior. I can say with 100% certainty that if I walk in on a similar situation the perp wouldn't know what hit him. I would protect the child at all costs.

I totally agree with you. For a grown man to witness a child''s rape and DO NOTHING is reprehensible. What was he thinking? That he didn't want to lose his JOB over this? Who cares? A molested child cannot become unmolested. It doesn't matter if "school policy" says to report to the next supervisor up---as a staff member responsible for children he is a mandated reporter. That means you don't stop reporting until you get to CPS. You dont' just pass the buck to someone else.

This is awful, but I can't help thinking "would it have made a difference if Sandusky was in the shower raping a little 10-12 yr old girl?"

 

[Lynne M]

I wish just ONE person would accuse him of the same thing, "isn't it TRUE, Mr. Defense Attorney, that you took on defending a known pedophile for MONEY?"

Well, I would guess that his attorney is at least a little bit sympathetic, seeing as he slept with a 16 year old client....

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873

 

[LuLuO]

I'll save my anger and disgust for the perpetrator. Everyone else is either stupid, and enabler or whatever, no matter, these people are smart enough to get away with this kind of crap like Sandusky did for years. After he is punished, THEN I'll villify the others.

What bothers me is the way those victims are going to be beaten up by the defense. I know they have very few choices to defend him but the money part is so pathetic. I know many abused children who are now adults and reliving it is bad enough without being browbeaten by some overpaid creep in a suit.

I wish just ONE person would accuse him of the same thing, "isn't it TRUE, Mr. Defense Attorney, that you took on defending a known pedophile for MONEY?"

I get what you are saying, but when you think about it, by definition, they are all perpetrators. In my mind if they knew it was going on and did nothing, or only handle it internally, they may as well have been the ones raping the boys.

I agree with you about the trial.

 

[Robinrs]

I get what you are saying, but when you think about it, by definition, they are all perpetrators. In my mind if they knew it was going on and did nothing, or only handle it internally, they may as well have been the ones raping the boys.

I agree with you about the trial.

Agreed, they are all in the wrong. On the Penn State thread there were more posts about McQueary than about Sandusky. We cannot forget who is the person who did the crime. All have a level of guilt, but my anger and my disgust is for the person who actually committed the act.

I have more anger for the system that put him in that position than the man himself. Penn State Football is a community to themselves and they spread this kind of loyalty that kept him, a fully grown man, from going outside of the walls of that university to tell his story. The proof was evident when the Penn State people on this board came on with a vengeance defending the school and the system. I began to see the level of loyalty they carry around with them, it was stunning... and DISTURBING.

 

[lorimay]

This story is so disgusting, I feel sick whenever i read or see anything about it.

I cannot wait till someone in prison does to him what he has done to innocent children for years.
My only hope is they finish him off slow and painfully.........

 

[Deb in IA]

For the first time, I am really concerned about the outcome of this trial.

I always believed it would be a slam-dunk. Reliable witnesses, multiple victims, and at least one attack that was eye-witnessed.

But today the judge reportedly said that the prosecution's case was weak????
How the heck stronger does this case have to be?

Is the cult of Penn State so pervasive that the judicial system in the entire state cannot see the truth?

I don't have a good feeling . . .

 

[lorimay]

I was sick when I read that today too.

If he walks I will have no faith in our justice system!

How about the other coach saying he also showered with boys when he was there???? WHAT THE H#$%?????

I hope the jury can see thru his lie trying to protect that pig.

 

[Wishing on a star]

But today the judge reportedly said that the prosecution's case was weak????

If that is true, does that not spell MISS TRIAL.

This is a case that is to be tried by a jury.
And, any public comment by the judge before the testimony is even complete, IMHO, should be an immediate mistrial.


And, about the code of silence, loyalty, where abuse of young boys is occuring.
I can think of bigger institutions other than a college athletic program where this has proven to be the case, time, after time, after time.

 

[horseshowmom]

The only acceptable reaction when he witnessed what he testified that he witnessed was to pull Sandusky off the kid and call 911 right then and there. Walking out of the locker room and leaving that kid with Sandusky, calling his father, and then telling a useless piece of garbage football coach what you witnessed after the fact is not "doing what he had to do".

No human being worthy of life would have walked out of that locker room and left the boy in the shower with his rapist. Full stop.

Absolutely.

 

[diznygirl]

For the first time, I am really concerned about the outcome of this trial.

I always believed it would be a slam-dunk. Reliable witnesses, multiple victims, and at least one attack that was eye-witnessed.

But today the judge reportedly said that the prosecution's case was weak????
How the heck stronger does this case have to be?

Is the cult of Penn State so pervasive that the judicial system in the entire state cannot see the truth?

I don't have a good feeling . . .

That's not entirely true. He was talking about how he previously felt, not how he currently feels. He was referencing how he felt months ago.

http://gma.yahoo.com/jerry-sandusky-trial-judge-had-doubts-case-115820530--abc-news-topstories.html

"I've been concerned about this since the beginning," Cleland said. "There were very broad representations made by the Commonwealth on the bill of particulars. Since then, the Commonwealth has submitted an amended bill of particulars, and amended their information, which I believe now meets the standards of due process. Although early on I certainly was not persuaded that that was the case."

 

[LisaR]

That's not entirely true. He was talking about how he previously felt, not how he currently feels. He was referencing how he felt months ago.

http://gma.yahoo.com/jerry-sandusky-trial-judge-had-doubts-case-115820530--abc-news-topstories.html

"I've been concerned about this since the beginning," Cleland said. "There were very broad representations made by the Commonwealth on the bill of particulars. Since then, the Commonwealth has submitted an amended bill of particulars, and amended their information, which I believe now meets the standards of due process. Although early on I certainly was not persuaded that that was the case."

Is he really allowed to make ANY comments at all regarding a current case? That just doesn't seem right at all.

 

[cornflake]

Is he really allowed to make ANY comments at all regarding a current case? That just doesn't seem right at all.

I don't understand what you mean... how is he supposed to run his courtroom without discussing the case?? They bring motions or make petitions or objections or have questions or etc., etc. how is he supposed to respond and explain without discussing the case?