Same Household.. not happy

[joepoe]

Originally posted by Dean
This just proves my point I've made on a couple of threads. And that is that there are many variables that don't fit nicely into the box DVC has made. I again predict we'll see a clarification prior to the actual implementation. Something to the effect that it applies to all in the household plus primary relatives.

I think maybe DVC wants to encourage *primary relatives* to buy into DVC! Just because I have a grown child, why should they get the perk? How about grandchildren? Great grandchildren? Uncle Buck? Aunt Tootsie? It's not fair!

 

[joepoe]

Originally posted by wdwendyd
We are so thankful for this discount and I am nervous that DVC will take away this perk if there are too many complaints. When I made a reservation this morning, I mentioned to the CM how grateful we were to get this discount. I could almost here him swell with pride as he answered, "We have been working so long to get this for our members."

We are a family of five. We buy annual passes every year. Our loyalty is being rewarded with a discount worth $364.00 I appreciate the perk. Thanks DVC!

 

[tjkraz]

Originally posted by Pa@okw95
Is this a person that does not have custody of her children, or something along that lines? If it is, then the complaint may be a good one.

Yeah, but remember that proof of residence will only be requested of the adults. Probably the only "gray area" would be a child between 16 and 18 who lives with one parent, yet has a driver's license that reflects a different address. In those cases, I have to think the CM checking IDs would use some common sense.

Painful though it may be for some, I prefer a system that has very specific rules designed to prevent abuse. Without these specific residency rules it would be impossible to police abuse. And, if nothing else, abuse of the perk would lead to a reduction in its value (perhaps $50 off instead of $100) or outright removal.

And, frankly, I would feel the exact same way even if I had a grown child who was ineligible for the discount. I'd love to be able to pass this discount along to my parents who frequently accompany us on trips, or even other relatives on a future trips. But DVC says "no" and I can live with that.

 

[crisi]

Originally posted by Duckieluckey
Lehrsj,

There is a solution to your problem. If you own your 600 points in one block you can split it into four 150 point units with four different addresses. I own two 250 point units and one day plan to title them over to each of my two children. If they get impatient, they can buy an additional 150 points for themselves. Or, I can move in with them.

I don't think you can split an existing contract.

 

[tjkraz]

Yup, crisi's right.

Unless you actually purchased multiple contracts that total 600 points, those points are permanently linked together as a unit. If you ever wanted to sell or otherwise transfer ownership, you would have to dispose of the entire 600 points at once.

If you want to share them with your children, you'll either have to deed the entire block to both (which could be a nightmare for them and their families down the road), or you'll have to sell those points and buy new, smaller contracts on the resale market.

 

[DVCcollector]

I have not read through this completely but I talked to my guide about the passes. I was told I could purchase up to 8 passes and give them to family members including my in laws and not limited to MIL and FIL only but also SIL and BIL.

 

[SoCalKDG]

Whats funny is that if Disney had made this offer of AP's only to cardholders, most people would have been happy to get any type of discount. I sure would have. My wife and I would have gotten the discount, but my children would have been full price. Hey, thats still a $200 savings.

Disney had to put a limit somewhere. Some people will get 8 AP's, some will get 1 AP. So what, its an additional perk that no one had until now.

Thanks DVC.

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by dallastxcpa
In Texas if your drivers license does not reflect where you actually live they can issue a citiation. You are responsible to keep your drivers license updated.

Now you could always lie if you hadn't updated it, but that is a whole other set of problems.

Plus in Texas when you update your drivers license they also register you to vote. So if the son lives in a different district than his parents, he would need to vote in his district not in theirs.

Understandable, but my point is this person no longer lives at the parent's address regardless of whether the parent offers financial support. Many children receive financial support from their parents for years after they no longer live at home.

 

[joepoe]

Originally posted by Sammie
Understandable, but my point is this person no longer lives at the parent's address regardless of whether the parent offers financial support. Many children receive financial support from their parents for years after they no longer live at home.

Good lord, tell them to get a job already!

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by joepoe
Good lord, tell them to get a job already!

Actually they have a job, the support is not asked for but given. My point is not everyone in your immediate family still lives at home or will qualify for the discount whether we would like for them to do or not.

I agree with those that stated family not living at home should be thrilled to be treated to a vacation even without the ticket discount.

 

[CapeCodFam]

Could it be that Disney just wanted to recognize 'family' as more than just the kiddies living at home? It still sounds like they're being very generous in this offer. I intend to contact them to say thank you.

On a related note, WDW may not always strictly enforce the policies to appease vociferous members. Anyone ever see a tantrum from DVC poolhoppers who where asked to leave...

 

[LisaR]

Originally posted by Sammie
Understandable, but my point is this person no longer lives at the parent's address regardless of whether the parent offers financial support. Many children receive financial support from their parents for years after they no longer live at home.

BUt the REAL point is that you NEVER recieved a discount on tickets from Disney in the past. Now you are getting a discount on your tickets and anyone that has the same address as you. If your grown child is still dependent on you financially but has a different address, then you will have to pay the regular price that you have been paying all along. Why isn't that fair? I am at a total loss as to why people want more. We (DVC members) had NOTHING for years. They are giving us something. Something is always better then nothing. UGH!

Lisa

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by joepoe
I think maybe DVC wants to encourage *primary relatives* to buy into DVC! Just because I have a grown child, why should they get the perk? How about grandchildren? Great grandchildren? Uncle Buck? Aunt Tootsie? It's not fair!

The reasons for Disney to do this are their own, we can only guess why they made the choices. My guess is it's to encourage DVC members to hit the parks more days for meals and the like. But my points are really two. One, as someone else said (can't remember here or another thread) was that Disney and DVC are consistently inconsistent. On person will get 8 passes for eight people from 8 different addresses. Another will have their college kids with a different address denied. The other point is that it makes no sense to allow one adult sister to get the discount because she lives with another family for a couple of years but another Sister not get it who goes along every trip and may have actually been a purchaser but didn't have the credit at the time to be on the paperwork. And it's an easy rule to work around if one wants.

I have 3 contracts. Two have my address as my home and the other has my work address where some 500 people work. Could I get 8 passes for coworkers? Maybe, maybe not. Can I get a State Id for any family member showing my address, certainly I can. I could even change the address on my third contract to another family members house in another state. Since I'm a FL resident, I really don't care. I'm just trying to show that it will be difficult to police, easy to work around if one choses without being dishonest as it's set up, is arbitrary and is VERY likely to be administered as inconsistently as one can possibly imagine. And it will be easy to work around dishonestly as well. In the end, the only limit will be the 8 per year.

 

[tjkraz]

Originally posted by Dean
In the end, the only limit will be the 8 per year.

Maybe not even that. With two avenues of purchase available--either vouchers from the website or the actual passes at the gate--it's conceivable that Guest Relations at the parks won't even have access to the DVC sales records.

Nevertheless, if the rules remain as written, I think any variations on the perks will be hard to determine in advance. I certainly wouldn't purchase vouchers for family members that would not meet the residency criteria. Since the voucher needs to be redeemed at Guest Services, it's entirely possible that they could disallow its use by anyone who cannot provide the proper ID.

The other alternative would be to wait until arrival at WDW to purchase the discounted pass. This would depend on one's ability to persuade an individual CM to sell the pass at the reduced rate to someone who is technically not eligible. Even if some members are successful, as in the case of the eternal occupancy debate, you never really know when a crackdown might occur.

 

[DavidRoss]

On one hand, I understand the "same household" clause to prevent abuse. But at the same time, I can understand wanting to purchase for immediate family outside of the same household. I feel I have an excellent example of this.

My wife has a mentally handicapped sister who would love to vacation with us and we love to spend time with her. However, she requires constant - 24 hour care that we can not provide. My wife's mother has passed away and because of the nature of my sister-in-law's condition, she has been placed in a home for the last 15 years (my wife was a teenager at the time). When we are on vacation with her, we are able to provide the 24 hour required care. I would like to be able to purchase a pass for her at a discount but I am not able to because she lives outside of the "same household".

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by DrTomorrow
I'm not certain that the above correctly reflects the motivation and attitude of many posters....

I don't know, I think it is darn close. I got a kick out of it.


I still think there is some way to get lots of AP passes with discounts and turn around and sell them on e-bay as another business ....along with the business of auctioning off prime holiday period point rentals.....

It's a great perk, I'm really pleased DVC was responsive to it's members, even if I won't use it much.

 

[denecarter]

Originally posted by DavidRoss
On one hand, I understand the "same household" clause to prevent abuse. But at the same time, I can understand wanting to purchase for immediate family outside of the same household. I feel I have an excellent example of this.

I also understand... my problem will be self-inflicted guilt. I financed 150 pts. at BCV; then my parents GAVE me the money for 150 pts. at OKW. Everything is in my name, I pay all dues, and "manage" the points. Mom has been with us on all our DVC trips and has an open invitation for all future visits.

Not Disney's fault... not Mom's either. I'll probably just split the difference with her.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Originally posted by DVCcollector
I have not read through this completely but I talked to my guide about the passes. I was told I could purchase up to 8 passes and give them to family members including my in laws and not limited to MIL and FIL only but also SIL and BIL.

Typical misinformation given by a guide ala 5 in a studio, etc. Anyone who can read can see what the requirements are on the DVC Website.

 

[gazeborob]

Did any of you go to the DVC website and read about who the discount is for? Here, I will post it for you.

Who is defined as "immediate family"?
"Immediate family" is defined by Walt Disney World Resort for discount purposes as noted below:
Spouse/Registered Domestic Partner
Parent/Step Parent
Mother-In-Law/Father-In-Law
Child/Step Child
Brother, Sister/Step Brother, Sister
Brother-In-Law/Sister-In-Law
Grandparent
Grandchild

 

[DebbieB]

Originally posted by gazeborob
Did any of you go to the DVC website and read about who the discount is for? Here, I will post it for you.

Who is defined as "immediate family"?
"Immediate family" is defined by Walt Disney World Resort for discount purposes as noted below:
Spouse/Registered Domestic Partner
Parent/Step Parent
Mother-In-Law/Father-In-Law
Child/Step Child
Brother, Sister/Step Brother, Sister
Brother-In-Law/Sister-In-Law
Grandparent
Grandchild

One additional qualification -

Living in the same household.