Saddam's Crimes -- let us not forget

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Rich::
 
DH actually spoke with several iraqi's who were due to be executed (for no reason) by Saddam. Our invasion freed them. A couple Iraqi's DH knew still bore scars of the torture they endured. :(
 

CathrynRose said:
Very disturbing link. :sad:

11 year olds?? to be executed?!?! :sad:

Welcome to the world - it's not a nice place :(

In Darfur, women and children alike a raped and then killed in front of their families. In Zimbabwe, white people are routinely beaten to death and opposition parties locked away.

Our countries are safe havens, where terrorist activities such as torture and ignoring the rule of law should not take place.

We're very lucky.



Rich::
 
Joe,
Let us not forget that the reason why we went to war in Iraq was not because he was a bad man to his own people. It was because we were told that he had WMD and they were a threat to US right then and there and how in danger we were. Do you remember that?
 
dcentity2000 said:


Welcome to the world - it's not a nice place :(

In Darfur, women and children alike a raped and then killed in front of their families. In Zimbabwe, white people are routinely beaten to death and opposition parties locked away.

Our countries are safe havens, where terrorist activities such as torture and ignoring the rule of law should not take place.

We're very lucky.



Rich::
so true
i keep hearing we also went there to help the people
well if ithats true why has this adminsitration done NOTHING to stop the violence in the sudan and darfur
it is sickening what is happening there just as bad as what was happening in iraq
 
I don't believe that anyone will forget this madman's crimes. But if this justifies war, then I suppose the U.S. ought to be prepared to spend the next few centuries invading countries whose rulers we don't like. :rolleyes:
 
Tigger_Magic said:
I don't believe that anyone will forget this madman's crimes. But if this justifies war, then I suppose the U.S. ought to be prepared to spend the next few centuries invading countries whose rulers we don't like. :rolleyes:

Or at least rank them, and invade them, from first to last. Would Iraq have even been in the top five... I don't think so.
 
cardaway said:
Or at least rank them, and invade them, from first to last. Would Iraq have even been in the top five... I don't think so.

I guess that's sensible.

Thing is though, how do you rank them?



Rich::
 
BibbidiBobbidiBOO said:
DH actually spoke with several iraqi's who were due to be executed (for no reason) by Saddam. Our invasion freed them. A couple Iraqi's DH knew still bore scars of the torture they endured. :(


But in order for these several Irak citizen to be saved from execution , between 28591 and 32225 Irak citizen have died due to the insurgents , terrorsts or coalition actions. It seems to me that the price is a bit high ( and this is not counting the coalition death !)
 
And so when are we launching a full scale attack in the Sudan and all of the other places where torture and injustice of that magnitude are taking place?
 
dcentity2000 said:


I guess that's sensible.

Thing is though, how do you rank them?



Rich::
Current thought seems to be -- who has the most oil reserves under their land? :rolleyes:
 
dcentity2000 said:


I guess that's sensible.

Thing is though, how do you rank them?



Rich::

I've seen it done, even in the silly little "Parade" magazine that comes in our Sunday paper.
 
Crankyshank said:
And so when are we launching a full scale attack in the Sudan and all of the other places where torture and injustice of that magnitude are taking place?
When they discover that there is oil there? :scratchin

(Yes, I know -- I'm being repetitive. So sue me-- it's a blantant attempt to push my post count. :guilty: )
 
Niger has yellowcake and oil. Does that boost them up on our take over to-do list?
 
Yes , Saddam has a few crimes under his belt , but:

"We now know who supplied Saddam Hussein with materials of mass destruction; where his military regime, notorious for atrocities against Iraqis, Iranians and Kurds, acquired helicopters, germs and lethal chemicals -- an arsenal of terror. Iraq acquired its weapons of mass destruction from the United States, from Germany, France and Britain as well -- the very countries leading a weapons inspection of Iraq.

Last month the Iraq Weapons Inventory included a long list of Western and U.S. companies (Union Carbide, Honeywell, Dupont, SpectraPhysics, Bechtel are some mentioned in “The Nation”, 1/13/2003) that supplied Saddam with deadly and dual-use material. Hoping to disguise its own culpability in Iraq's past war crimes, the U.S. suppressed the list, but the dossier was leaked to a German newspaper, “Die Tageszeitung”.

More information trickled onto the back pages of “The New York Times” and “The Washington Post”. The main facts are no longer in dispute. In violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925 (which outlaws chemical warfare), the Reagan-Bush administration authorized the sale of poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, from anthrax to bubonic plague, throughout the '80s. In 1982, while Saddam Hussein constructed his machinery of war, Reagan and Bush removed Iraq from the State Department list of terrorist states.

According to newly declassified documents mentioned in “The Washington Post Weekly Edition” (1/6-12/2003), Iraq was already using chemical weapons on an "almost daily basis" when Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein in 1983, consolidating the U.S.-Iraq military alliance.

Subsequently, the Pentagon supplied logistical and military support; U.S. banks provided billions of dollars in credits; and the C.I.A., using a Chilean conduit, increased Saddam's supply of cluster bombs. U.S. companies also supplied steel tubes and chemical substances, the types of material for which the Security Council is now searching.

As late as 1989 and 1990, according to a report from U.S. representative Dennis Kucinich (Democrat, Ohio), U.S. companies, under permits from the first Bush administration, sent mustard gas materials, live cultures for bacteriological research, to Iraq. U.S. companies helped Iraq build a chemical weapons factory, and then shipped Hussein a West Nile virus, hydrogen cyanide precursors, and parts for a new nuclear plant.

The infamous massacre at Halabja -- the gassing of the Kurds -- took place in March 1988. On September 19, sixth months later, U.S. companies sent eleven strains of germs, four types of anthrax to Iraq, including a microbe strain, called 11966, developed for germ warfare at Fort Detrick in the '50s. (Judith Miller provides a partial account of the sordid traffic in U.S. chemicals and germs in her book, “Germs: Biological Weapons And America’s Secret War”.)

Dow Chemical (infamous for its napalm in the Vietnam War) sold large amounts of pesticides, toxins that cause death by asphyxiation. Twenty-four U.S. firms exported arms and materials to Baghdad. France also sent Hussein 200 AMX medium tanks, Mirage bombers, and Gazelle helicopter gunships. As Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Armitage testified in 1987: "We cannot stand to see Iraq defeated."

The vast, lucrative arms trade in the Middle East laid the groundwork for Saddam's aggression against Kuwait. Without high-tech weapons from Europe and the U.S.--from the very countries now conducting an arms proliferation investigation -- Iraq's wars against Iran and Kuwait would never have taken place.

Defending the Indefensible

U.S. officials take a dismissive attitude to revelations about complicity in Saddam's military reign of terror in the '80s. Officials tell us that American corporations did nothing wrong when they shipped chemicals, germs, nuclear materials to Iraq. After all, they say, Saddam was a U.S. ally in the '80s.

The entire U.S. arms trade is based on a heinous premise: that atrocities and war crimes in the Third World are acceptable so long as they fit within U.S. global strategy and aims. Saddam's crimes were invisible in the '80s. The same crimes became grist for front-page demonization of Saddam in the '90s, after -- and only after --Saddam threatened Western access to oil.

George Orwell's brilliant essay (“Notes on Nationalism”) on empire and nationalism applies directly to the mendacity of the Bush administration. "Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them. There is almost no kind of outrage -- torture, imprisonment without trial, assassination, the bombing of civilians -- which does not change its moral color when it is committed by 'our' side… . The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."

Now the world is faced with a tragic irony: The world's leading merchant of death is taking us to war to stop arms proliferation in the very region to which it shipped chemicals and arms for over ten years."

From:http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/time.html
 



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