Saddam Hussein execution botched?

[billythefish]

I am not sure who you are talking about, but I am not vengeful or bloodthirsty.

My point is that I do not think we have the right to tell them how to carry out a sentence they ruled on. I understand the difference, I just don't think we have the right to impose our values on them.
It's up to the Iraqi government to decide if the executioners did something they were not allowed to do.

But invading their country and imposing our democracy on them is ok?

 

[Cool-Beans]

Look people. There's a second video making it's way around the news and internet. It shows the entire hanging and has audio. In the audio the guards can be heard chanting political statements, insulting SH and arguing with him before he is executed. Now what some of you CLEARLY don't understand is that there is a difference between judical execution which is what this was SUPPOSED to be and a state sponsored lynching. The guards actions made the hanging look political in nature instead of punitive. it made it look like a revenge killing instead of justice. And by opening their big fat mouths when they should have been shut, they martyred Saddam Hussein. It made the new Iraq government look like a bunch of thugs instead of the democratically elected figures George Bush wanted and one of the reasons we are sacraficing 3003 service men and women.

Some of the more vengful and blood thirsty posters really should think before they post.

Please explain the difference between a "judicial execution" and a "state sponsored lynching." I pretty much see them as the same thing.

I think killing him would have martyred him just as well as killing him and calling him names.

I might be partially vengeful, but can assure you I'm not blood-thirsty.

 

[poohandwendy]

But invading their country and imposing our democracy on them is ok?

Time will tell if that is what they want. The opportunity, which was not possible before, is there.

 

[Eega Beeva]

I am not sure who you are talking about, but I am not vengeful or bloodthirsty.

My point is that I do not think we have the right to tell them how to carry out a sentence they ruled on. I understand the difference, I just don't think we have the right to impose our values on them.

It's up to the Iraqi government to decide if the executioners did something they were not allowed to do. And maybe that is the message they want to send out. That if you commit heinous crimes, you will suffer greatly. I don't know.

I just don't think we have the right to impose our values on them.

We are trying to impose Democracy on the Iraqi people.

 

[Eega Beeva]

I might be partially vengeful, but can assure you I'm not blood-thirsty.

Heaven forbid! Someone said something nasty to him?! Poor Sadaam. Calling him names doesn't mean the execution was "bothched." He still died.

I think he got off easy. He could have been put into his torture chambers with the family members of people he had tortured. Being called a few names is really not a big deal.

I think that qualifys.

 

[Galahad]

We are trying to impose Democracy on the Iraqi people.

Perhaps. But we are not trying to impose a specific set of laws on them. We are certainly not trying to impose our religion(s) on them. It was, in fact, according to the BBC and the NYT, the Americans that wanted them to wait until after holy days to do the execution and ensure its dignity.

 

[JunieJay]

I only saw bits and pieces of it, but what I saw was creepy.

 

[Galahad]

I think that qualifys.

Not really. She said that's what could conceivably have happened, not what she wanted to happen. There wasn't even a remote implication that is what she meant.

 

[Cool-Beans]

I think that qualifys.

Well, if you think it, then it must be true. Here I was thinking I knew how I felt. Thank you for me enlightening me.

 

[Eega Beeva]

Please explain the difference between a "judicial execution" and a "state sponsored lynching." I pretty much see them as the same thing.

I think killing him would have martyred him just as well as killing him and calling him names.

I might be partially vengeful, but can assure you I'm not blood-thirsty.

Even one of the officals that was in charge of the execution can be heard on the audio telling the guards to shut-up. He understood the ramifications. An execution is part of the judical arm of the governmnet. Political statements by the people carrying out the execution have no place. It gives fuel to those who oppose the sentence and justifies their ensuing violence. They can use this to further their agenda.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I think what's got many people in the US upset is that the crowd was shouting "Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada", an obvious reference to Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. It wasn't a cheer for democracy, or that justice was served, but that they were gloating in the face of the Sunni populaion of Iraq, a population that they will eventually have to live side by side. How America got onto the side of the Shia militia is beyond me...

 

[Galahad]

I think what's got many people in the US upset is that the crowd was shouting "Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada", an obvious reference to Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. It wasn't a cheer for democracy, or that justice was served, but that they were gloating in the face of the Sunni populaion of Iraq, a population that they will eventually have to live side by side. How America got onto the side of the Shia militia is beyond me...

Well that is a problem. I agree. I don't think it puts us "on the side of the Shia militia", but it certainly complicates things for them.

 

[Disney Doll]

Sniff, sniff...I smell a troll.

"Eega Beava" with 43 posts and this is one of them???

Simply put....

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[hackorydackorydac]

Nice, Disney Doll.

What number of posts does one need to have to be able to post here and not be called names?

 

[poohandwendy]

Even one of the officals that was in charge of the execution can be heard on the audio telling the guards to shut-up. He understood the ramifications. An execution is part of the judical arm of the governmnet. Political statements by the people carrying out the execution have no place. It gives fuel to those who oppose the sentence and justifies their ensuing violence. They can use this to further their agenda.

Then I guess the state didn't sanction that behavior.

Either way, it's still up to the Iraqi govt to deal with it.

 

[Cool-Beans]

Even one of the officals that was in charge of the execution can be heard on the audio telling the guards to shut-up. He understood the ramifications. An execution is part of the judical arm of the governmnet. Political statements by the people carrying out the execution have no place. It gives fuel to those who oppose the sentence and justifies their ensuing violence. They can use this to further their agenda.

They are too stupid and crazy to further their agenda.

I just watched a video of the execution. It was mostly steps, railings, and total blackness. Whoever did it did a poor job. Quiet chanting before, and a cacophony of voices after. No clue what they said - wasn't in English (very ethnocentric of them, I think! ). But, it didn't sound like anything I wouldn't expect...I wasn't shocked or surprised or anything.

 

[tekmom]

Look people. There's a second video making it's way around the news and internet. It shows the entire hanging and has audio. In the audio the guards can be heard chanting political statements, insulting SH and arguing with him before he is executed. Now what some of you CLEARLY don't understand is that there is a difference between judical execution which is what this was SUPPOSED to be and a state sponsored lynching. The guards actions made the hanging look political in nature instead of punitive. it made it look like a revenge killing instead of justice. And by opening their big fat mouths when they should have been shut, they martyred Saddam Hussein. It made the new Iraq government look like a bunch of thugs instead of the democratically elected figures George Bush wanted and one of the reasons we are sacraficing 3003 service men and women.

Some of the more vengful and blood thirsty posters really should think before they post.

Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.

 

[KristiKelly]

I think Saddam still has a lot of followers and the hoods were probably to protect their identity so someone won't come after them.

Personally, I don't feel sorry for the way he was taunted after all the horrendous stories I've heard that he, his sons, and his whole regime did to innocent people. I think he should have experienced real suffering like so many have.

 

[Poohgirl]

Look people. There's a second video making it's way around the news and internet. It shows the entire hanging and has audio. In the audio the guards can be heard chanting political statements, insulting SH and arguing with him before he is executed. Now what some of you CLEARLY don't understand is that there is a difference between judical execution which is what this was SUPPOSED to be and a state sponsored lynching. The guards actions made the hanging look political in nature instead of punitive. it made it look like a revenge killing instead of justice. And by opening their big fat mouths when they should have been shut, they martyred Saddam Hussein. It made the new Iraq government look like a bunch of thugs instead of the democratically elected figures George Bush wanted and one of the reasons we are sacraficing 3003 service men and women.

Some of the more vengful and blood thirsty posters really should think before they post.

ITA
Although Saddam got what he deserved, the way it went down is only leading to more chaos. Chanting for Moktada al-Sadr, made it a legal personal vendetta, no better then when Saddam had his men "legally" (under Saddam rule) killing off shiites. It does not accomplish what our service men are working so hard to try and achieve. I did find the taunting disturbing, because I know it will only lead to putting our brave men and women over there in harms way even more.

 

[Charade]

We are trying to impose Democracy on the Iraqi people.

We aren't doing any such thing. They're making their own form of democracy. With our help.