Sad Story from One Who Trusted without Checking!

Me again, and I just wanted to keep you all up to date. Nothing new going on. I know you're all dying to hear good news, but unfortunately I don't have any. I'll check back in Monday and keep you all posted. Have a great weekend - Stacey :sunny: princess: I love these icons!!!
 
Sorry to hear that, Stacy and Dani, but I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully a new week will mean a new reserve to get things done. I suspect the PP is so far deep in now, that she might feel it's best to "disappear". Too bad, because SOMEONE is going to know how to find her....maybe her "aunt".
 
This is all so sad! :sad2:

I have rented points sucessfully 3 times but I did worry all three times that somehow the reservation would be cancelled after I paid for it. Never happened in fact the folks I rented from were honest and wonderful. I am sending pixie dust to all of you! :wizard:
 
"In the broader picture, I think you have to realize that there are probably thousands of DIS R/T transactions each year, and until this week, I'd only heard one or two stories where someone actually lost money. We occasionally hear of problems, but those are usually just misunderstandings which get worked out and everybody goes away happy. I can still count the bad rentals on one hand...although I am running out of fingers." (Quoted from JimMIA's post)

I love the DIS Board because of the sense of safety and trust I feel here. So far I've been lucky - every time I have trusted someone on the DIS Board I have been rewarded in nothing but heart-warming pixie dust (including renting points). I will keep following this thread because I feel so badly for D & S and hope with my whole heart that there will be some fair resolution. I'm glad they let us all know about their experiences - taking that time will remind me to be careful. But I hope none of us have even the tiniest desire to give up on trusting one another - way more than money will be lost by all of us if that happens. She's one bad apple in an orchard of healthy trees!
 

This makes me sick to my stomach.

I posted a week ago looking to rent points and got a PM from the PP. Offered $9/pt and had already made the reservation. The point cost made my dh a little suspicious because everyone else for the most part is asking $10/pt. My dh said to tell him no (and dh's friend decided to rent us his points), but before I had a chance to email back, I was away from the computer for a little over 24 hours. In the time that I did not have computer access, I got several rude emails from PP. Obviously, he/she wanted the money yesterday. PP did change how they would take payment, insisting on money orders. I said no, I wanted to use paypal, so he/she opened up a paypal account and got really irritated with me that paypal had an initial limit of $500/month. That raised a huge red flag for me...hello, not my fault! I also felt uncomfortable because it was a hotmail account with a different name (a woman's name) showing in my inbox, and it was signed with a name that I am guessing is male (due to the spelling. that could easily be a wrong guess on my part). However, the names didn't match and that bothered me.

Two people have emailed me asking if he is legit. I explained what happened to me and that I didn't rent from him. They both had a different name than he presented to me.

Dani and Stacey, you are in my thoughts and I truly wish the best for you.
 
JimMIA said:
They would have been checking out of BCV on the 13th, then going on a cruise (don't know the duration), and then I think back to WDW. The total trip was 14 days or a little more I think. I don't have the exact itinerary, but I think they are still on vacation.

The Vogelfamily is back....here's a post from them and I am sure we'll hear more shortly. Not sure how to take some of the comments.

From:http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1255828

"Hello Everyone. Returned from the trip of a lifetime only 4 hours ago. Just checking my personal email, hadn't even been on the DIS yet and discovered by accident that a lot has been going on while I was away. I am just beginning to read some of the information and I will post on appropriate topics as I come across the questions but I wanted to say this thread is a great idea and contains so much useful information in an organized format. My end result was positive but not without extreme stress and difficulty. I would definitely do many things differently but want to emphasize that I thought I had asked all of the right questions and followed appropriate precautions, but being a non-owner, it really is impossible to know what questions and precautions to take in the first place. This will help.

Jim, your post provided much insite. I see clearly now why your efforts to assist me were so beneficial. You had never enlightened me to your background but I see that you were the ideal individual to help me with my issues. Thank you again..............Heather"
 
Bird-Mom said:
This makes me sick to my stomach.

I posted a week ago looking to rent points and got a PM from the PP. Offered $9/pt and had already made the reservation. The point cost made my dh a little suspicious because everyone else for the most part is asking $10/pt. My dh said to tell him no (and dh's friend decided to rent us his points), but before I had a chance to email back, I was away from the computer for a little over 24 hours. In the time that I did not have computer access, I got several rude emails from PP. Obviously, he/she wanted the money yesterday. PP did change how they would take payment, insisting on money orders. I said no, I wanted to use paypal, so he/she opened up a paypal account and got really irritated with me that paypal had an initial limit of $500/month. That raised a huge red flag for me...hello, not my fault! I also felt uncomfortable because it was a hotmail account with a different name (a woman's name) showing in my inbox, and it was signed with a name that I am guessing is male (due to the spelling. that could easily be a wrong guess on my part). However, the names didn't match and that bothered me.

Two people have emailed me asking if he is legit. I explained what happened to me and that I didn't rent from him. They both had a different name than he presented to me.

Dani and Stacey, you are in my thoughts and I truly wish the best for you.

Yikes!! That's pretty scary!! I do think I remember Heather saying that the pp was a woman...at least to her. I wonder if it is a couple?
 
calypso*a*go-go said:
Because she slipped up and posted to a thread under one username, and then immediately followed it almost word-for-word with a second post logging in under her original username (or whatever the "identity du jour" was).

I noticed that immediately, but didn't know how to warn anyone.
 
Oh my goodness. In the name of all that is good, I have no idea what allowed me to receive extra helpings of pixie dust but I am thankful beyond words. What a mess we have on here. Please forgive me for any scattered thoughts, I returned back home about 6:00 pm and had every intention of checking my email and going to bed but here we are many hours and 33 pages later. Plus, they had the nerve to drag me off of my ship this morning.
I have no idea how much I am allowed to post so please delete anything questionable.
I did have 5 glorious days at the BCV. We checked in on the 8th and out on the 13th. We moved to PC where we spent Friday evening before boarding the ship. Our reservation at BCV was completely void of any negative events, if you don't count the 11 stressful months prior to getting there. I have had much support and hand-holding along the way from members of the DIS community. It was overwhelmingly positive, even when I was questioning my own judgement. I have no idea what allowed me to come out of this without having lost my money or my mind.
As many have mentioned, I had a very difficult time establishing any type of communication with the PP. That has been documented here. Always a reason and I always accepted them. Who was I to say that her life was not as she said. Just because I lead a typically boring, charmed life, not everyone does. I believed each line she gave me. In the beginning, I had doubts. I saw the red flags. I did not trust my gut but told myself that I was expecting too much. I never spoke to her without leaving a request for a call back on a generic voicemail. She initially identified herself by her middle name and when MS called her by her legal name, I was taken by surprise. Easily explainable. The aunts name on the confirmation, easily explainable. The new number, explainable. The new address, explainable. No longer email, explainable. Wanting to change the final payment agreement to Western Union transfer. WOAH! I don't think so.
Spoke with her approx 2 weeks before final payment was due and she asked that I send WU. After researching, I decide that I am not comfortable with that. At this point, her name on nothing because confirmation in aunts name. (Spoke with aunt long ago, just after receiving confirmation letter. No explanation or information came with this letter explaining. I had no idea who the aunt was. I researched online and was able to get a phone number. The aunt assured me that PP did have permission to access account and gave me a different phone number. It didn't work but by then the original number was good again.)I sent a certified letter, priority mail to aunt and PP explaining that I would not make final payment via WU but was still hopeful we could work out arrangement. At this point, I knew I would get no acceptable accommodations onsite and was positive we could find solution. The letters sat at the post office for nearly agonizing 2 weeks. PP called on day 33 wanting to know where her money was, explained would not send WU and that I had sent certified letter but never picked up. We agreed on final payment arrangement with the stipulation that we would have a 3 way call with MS before I sent out. The phone call, although late did happen and I mailed USPS money order via certified mail with restricted delivery. The post office assured me that she would have to show picture ID to pick up and she would have to sign for. It was picked up and signed for within a few hours. Once again, I crossed my fingers and prayed for pixie dust. I called BCV 4 days prior to arrival and they confirmed my reservation was valid. In the end, I don't know if I was lucky or if she is just a disorganized person on a real string of bad luck.
When I returned home this evening, there was a message from her on my voice mail from last week. New phone number. I called and recognized the destinctive voice immediately. When I ask to speak with her, she states that "she" is not there, will I leave a message? I say I was returning HER call and that I was a bit confused from other messages that I had received and could she just tell me what was going on. Also a message from an investigator that I can't get ahold of on the weekend. Just a little unsettling. What is that about? She explains that away and tells me I don't have to get involved and that it is all taken care of. Sounds good.
I visit the DIS, doesn't sound so good. In the end, she did follow thru with my reservation and I will share that, along with the bumps along the way.
I sit here, sick to my stomach, with tears down my face. I so feel your anxiety, I truly do. I know firsthand the disruption it causes to your life. It is not about the money. It is about being violated. Wishing all involved a speedy resolution. Now going on 3:00 am. Will check in tomorrow.Thanks...........Heather
By the way, somewhere along the line tonight I remember reading the PP imply that I expected regular or monthly calls. That is not the case, I think in 11 months, I spoke to her on 4 different occasions. Granted some of these situations were more than 1 phone call because she always returned my call but I did not, by any means, make numerous interruptions or requests of her.
 
Hi, Heather,
Not exactly a warm welcome back to the real world for you!
Thank you for taking the time to read and respond. There are SO many DISers (as you can see from the count on this thread) who have been following this and praying that all went well for you. Many are also following your "Hold my hand" post. It is a relief to know that your trip was great after so many stress-filled months beforehand. We are all hoping that Dani and Stacey (and maybe others?) will have a successful resolution eventually, although some things are not "fixable" at this point. I hope there is a way that the identity of the investigator can be made public so that others who have posted to this thread, who may also have been involved with this messed up person, can contact the investigator.
I am leaving for WDW in less than 2 hours so I am just thrilled to know that your vacation was wonderful. I'll be thinking of all the good folks who have been caught up in this thread while I am gone. Maybe when I get home there will be some more good news!
P.S. Be prepared for LOTS of action on the DIS on this thread today! I know that so many others will also be delighted to hear that you had a super trip. :wave2:
 
VogelFamily said:
I sit here, sick to my stomach, with tears down my face. I so feel your anxiety, I truly do. I know firsthand the disruption it causes to your life. It is not about the money. It is about being violated.

Oh, that's so sad. I'll think of your story any time in the future I decide to rent points.
 
Welcome back, Heather...like all of us, I'm SO happy to hear you had a wonderful trip and that everything worked out magically despite the difficulties and stress of the lead-up to your vacation!

Now...when you've had some sleep and a chance to adjust to returning to the "real world," I'm sure we all would LOVE a trip report!!!!!

Happy day--

Dani

PS: No updates, folks...but one wasn't expected over the weekend...
 
VogelFamily said:
I sit here, sick to my stomach, with tears down my face. I so feel your anxiety, I truly do. I know firsthand the disruption it causes to your life. It is not about the money. It is about being violated. Wishing all involved a speedy resolution. Now going on 3:00 am. Will check in tomorrow.Thanks...........Heather
I think most of us felt sick when we 1st started reading this thread and of course for you at 3 AM after a long trip will also add to your feelings. I hope you feel better after you get some rest and I hope you had a wonderful trip. I don't want to speak for any one else but my feelings have gone from sick to sad to mad. These two transactions and your transaction is no way to conduct business. It is good to hear that an investigator (whether private or police) had called. The best way for this PP to handle the situation is to call the people involved and remitt the full refund very soon or else I'm afraid it's going to cost both her and her aunt a lot more than she bargained for. And yes at this point in time, if she had ripped me off, I'd be calling the Aunt or one of New York's finest.

Y-ASK
 
It makes me mad when I hear things like this, but it happens on all on line selling nets. I understand why the disboard can't let you post the persons name. On ebay if you report fraud they remove the site. Hope you get this straightened out, this hurts all of us.
 
DMKEDM said:
Welcome back, Heather...like all of us, I'm SO happy to hear you had a wonderful trip and that everything worked out magically despite the difficulties and stress of the lead-up to your vacation!

Now...when you've had some sleep and a chance to adjust to returning to the "real world," I'm sure we all would LOVE a trip report!!!!!

Happy day--

Dani

PS: No updates, folks...but one wasn't expected over the weekend...

Dani -

I have to say you must be an amazing person. I keep reading your posts and you appear so calm and pleasant. I give you lots of credit for "making lemonade" out of your situation.

Sounds like a DIS meet is definetly in our when you are in the World and a big round of drinks for you!!!
 
Heather... WELCOME Back!!! I'm happy to hear you had a good vacation minus some issues - I'm looking foward to your report (I read 'em all!) Keep the Disney magic from your trip in your heart :goodvibes
InstImpres said:
Dani -

I have to say you must be an amazing person. I keep reading your posts and you appear so calm and pleasant. I give you lots of credit for "making lemonade" out of your situation.

Sounds like a DIS meet is definetly in our when you are in the World and a big round of drinks for you!!!
If I may, I'm going to second this. Dani - for someone who ran in the risky rental group whe you started (referring to your low post count) I'm appalled that you waited this long to join the DIS... we could have used your calm approach and positive attitude on the DIS a long time ago! But we've got you now - THAT's what matters :thumbsup2

I think we can all use a drink - OK, as I'll probably never make it to a DIS meet I'll send around a big round of cyber-drinks now to everyone (for those of us on the west coast, please wait until afternoon to consume) ... does it matter to anyone if it's grape or cherry kool-aid? :sunny:
 
Gosh I read this thread last weekend and it's sad to see that it's still going with no resolution and now another victim (Stacy) has emerged. As a DVC owner who has only done a handful of transactions I have to advise to always be cautious and ask for references, valid phone numbers and email addresses, have a conversation with the person, rental agreement or whatever it takes. Someone earlier had a good post on things to follow. I had a gentleman who I rented to ask for all of the above (except for the agreement) and frankly told me "he just doesn't send money to anyone" I wasn't offended at all :thumbsup2

I really hope this works out for both of you :wizard:
 
I just wanted to say that I have nothing but great dealings, generosity and an overall feeling of pride in being a member of this community. It is amazing how many people have expressed their good will to the op and the others.

Proud I tell ya!
 













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