Sad Story from One Who Trusted without Checking!

[wdwstar]

BUt I wanted to let everyone know she has NOT returned my money, so I'm not the unwitting recipient of StaceySaulito's money!)

DMKEDM

I didnt say you got the funds from PP, I was just saying as Flakey as PP is
who knows what she is going to do or not do........

I really feel bad for both of you & i think you both need to be very careful with dealing with this person.

and with both of your stories has warned alot of people "not" to deal with this individual.

 

[steve and julie]

Steve, that's very generous, but I thought the rules only allow owners to do one transfer in/out per UY. She'd never be able to compile them into one use group. Hugs for trying!

Yes the new rule change, was just try to help both of them.
I really enjoy being part of the I call it the disney clan. Well good luck to both of you guys.
Take care steve

 

[JandD Mom]

Wow...just read all 14 pages....here's hoping for the best, but I do have one question. If the person who is causing some/all (how ever you want to view it) the problems is continuing to post and advertise her (or someone elses ) 200 points for rent, why isn't the moderator stopping her? Can she be banned?

I get that the Rent/Trade board is a convience, and it is always buyer beware, but, can't you call a spade a spade and say enough?

JMHO!

In defense of the Rent/Trade Mods, they are usually really on top of things. Doc is currently at OKW now, hopefully enjoying DVC as much as we do. Caskbill is likely working or busy or overwhelmed in Docs absence. so I would not put any blame on them

 

[Beca]

Stacey...I am SOOO sorry!!!

...and MAD!!!

Where in your "contract" did it say you had a limit on how many times you could call??!!! And, she seems to have made and "cancelled" the ressie pretty darn fast!!

I too, would not have been concerned with the resort not having my info, it is still too early for that. But...for her to actually "SAY" she cancelled it???!!!

I have ONE word for you....fraud....I would certainly take this woman to small claims court for ALL the expenses you are out. Unless, you can find an offsite hotel via priceline or hotwire....I'm sure there are no DVC resorts available at this time.

 

[skibum]

Stacey -

I hope you still go. Don't let these actions stop the magic. Hopefully you will get your money back, but if you don't go you will lose even more money in change fees and non-refundable tickets, and the magic!

Pixie dust to you and OP.

 

[wdwstar]

Stacey I just checked AAA and all-star sport, music, pop $84.15 plus tax
caribbean beach $148.75 plus tax
coronado springs, french quarters, riverside $131.75 plus tax

 

[StaceySaulino]

Thanks for the hotel info. I'm going to try and convince my hubby to actually still go. Thanks all for being so nice. I'll keep everyone updated.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

And, she seems to have made and "cancelled" the ressie pretty darn fast!!

Do you supposed she realized after-the-fact that there wasn't availability for the dates Stacey needed? It would create an "easy out" to turn things around and try to blame the renter instead.

Come on "She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named" -- What's really going on? If you'd just come clean about the status of these ressies, I feel certain there could be some type of amicable solution. Please, please, please...just call the parties affected and work something out instead of hiding out and sending sporadic text messages.

 

[Zoemakes5]

I just searched the Disney website and for 10/27-11/1 (which are just the dates I plugged in, remembering that Stacey said 10/27) I do find a number of openings on site. Allstars is running $112 per night w/out any discounts. Hotels.com has Hilton in DtD for $109. The BW in DtD is going for $86. The Royal Plaza for 98.99. Mousesavers might have some deals. If at all possible, Stacey, don't give up your dream. Frankly, at this point, you'd probably pretty close to the difference by not going, when you have to mess with flights and stuff.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Someone else already posted that a DVC reservation would not be at the resort until about 3-4 days before the start of the reservation. So if Stacy called the resort, they would not have any reservation at this point. That doesn't mean that it no longer exists. It may still be there, but she won't be able to check on it until about 10/22 or 10/23.

 

[manning]

Thought I posted this hear but don't see it. I apologize if it is double post.

This may be the solution for future transactions

https://www.escrow.com/index.asp

 

[JandD Mom]

Thought I posted this hear but don't see it. I apologize if it is double post.

This may be the solution for future transactions

https://www.escrow.com/index.asp

I am sorry, but I don't agree that this is necessarily the solution for future transactions. I don't want to knock the OP, but there are many other red flags here. Some that have been named:

1. Don't rent from someone with only a couple of posts and no history on the DIS boards, or someone who can't provide you with satisfactory references.

2. Don't rent from someone who will only take payment via Western Union wire transfer.

3. Don't rent from someone with no ID to pick up said transfer thereby allowing them to get the money without being traced.

4. Don't rent from someone who isn't the DVC owner themselves.

5. Don't rent from someone who you can't reach easily, or who threatens you with cancellation (or cancels) because you call too much.

I don't think the escrow idea is a bad idea, I just think the majority of the time, it would not be needed.

 

[DisneyMommyMichelle]

Stacey i hope you guys still go and have fun :

 

[DisneyFunfor3]

Sorry...didn't mean to blame anyone (other than the person who has all the money and is not following through on reservations). I'm just asking what the policies are? Since there was apparently some "agreement" with the moderator that was not honored, can she be banned?

Also wanted to add my condolences to the OP and the other lady that was hoodwinked by the person with the points. If what I'm reading is correct, she is still trying to rent on the Boards...this is what leads me to that ...can't she be banned...statement?

 

[tacomaranch]

I did go and read the entire Vogel thread to find out who this person is so I could know and be warned!

I feel so bad for everyone. Yes, life is hard, bad things happen to good people, but it how this R person handles it that makes her who she is. I pray all have a good outcome and R perosn realizes that she is just digging deeper and deeper.

IMO, she should contact Steve and Julie and this poor man and be truthful about herself, the money, etc. She should beg forgiveness and make arrangements to make this right. Karma, it does all come back!

Or as my DH says, no good deed goes unpunished.

I pray this all works out and I will on the look out for R person and pray I don't get banned.

Just read the Vogel, hold my hand post and then you will know "she who must not be named" is.

 

[kidsister]

Hi ...I've rented (before my purchase of resale DVC points closed) and I've been a renter of points also.

In any event , I'm so sorry that you've had this problem. It seems that it wouldn't be in violation of board policy for you to post on the renter's thread that you were less than satisfied with the transaction. Yes, this poster could try to post with an alias, but hopefully there might be something the DIS could do if she is posting on the same IP under a different name.

Here's my best thought re the OP issue:
Instead of waiting around for this person to maybe rent out the points to someone else and then maybe refund your $800...I think you should do a 3 way call to MS and complete the transfer and THEN send her the balance due. If she is sincere, then she shouldn't have any problem with this. In a 3 way call with Disney, you will be able to hear HER story and if the points are there, then they can be immediately transferred to your account and then you are done with it. AFTER the transfer, she can't get her points back...so it would be safe to send her the balance due and her financial problems (if this is real) are solved.

So THAT is my best suggestion and it could be accomplished yet today.
IF she isn't willing to do this, then you KNOW it is a fraud and you should act accordingly.

For the other person who might have been defrauded.....when you paid for your ressie, did you call MS and check to make sure there was a ressie in your name before paying? If you don't own, then it seems that someone who does own could call and check on that ressie with MS for you. My renters always get a copy of the ressie in their name and tho they can't call anymore, they certainly have something on paper and can call MS to check to make sure that the ressie is still in their name (or again, they can have a member call for them.). I'd certainly be willing to try to track down this ressie for you if you have the info sent from Disney re your ressie.

While I hate to hae someone be called a fraud BEFORE there is enough evidence to call them one....the 3 way call to DIsney re the transfer of points is certainly feasible and a quick way to find out if there actually ARE points in this person's account. If NOT, then selling points that aren't there is certainly a good case for fraud.

And while I hope it doesn't come to this...if the renter doesnt' make good, I'm sure there is an active DISmember that lives in the vicinity of that area code that might take an interest in helping OP

 

[LIFERBABE]

Someone else already posted that a DVC reservation would not be at the resort until about 3-4 days before the start of the reservation. So if Stacy called the resort, they would not have any reservation at this point. That doesn't mean that it no longer exists. It may still be there, but she won't be able to check on it until about 10/22 or 10/23.

And wouldnt they have told her this when she called?

I know I have been told this by the resort when I called too early, not understanding why she was told otherwise.

I am sorry for the stress these transactions with this particular renter has caused. No one should have to go thru this.

That said, the system is not broke, the PP is. As an honest renter of points, I would just caution, that many of these "solutions" are not going to be worthwhile of honest DVC Members time. I for one will not do Escrow. I am not waiting until someone completes their vacation to receive my money. I just had a renter return from WDW and we had a great experience, one of many. It's all about communication and your gut. If it doesnt feel right, don't do it.
I will find other uses for my excess points, before I jump thru hoops because of what someone else did. It really is sad

 

[robinb]

For the other person who might have been defrauded.....when you paid for your ressie, did you call MS and check to make sure there was a ressie in your name before paying? If you don't own, then it seems that someone who does own could call and check on that ressie with MS for you.

Member services will now only speak to the owner of the points about a reservation. They will not talk to the renter and they will not talk to another owner.

 

[Beca]

Someone else already posted that a DVC reservation would not be at the resort until about 3-4 days before the start of the reservation. So if Stacy called the resort, they would not have any reservation at this point. That doesn't mean that it no longer exists. It may still be there, but she won't be able to check on it until about 10/22 or 10/23.

Yes, but the PP (why are we all calling her that? What does PP mean?) admitted that she HAD cancelled the ressie (or, more likely never had one to begin with).

 

[diznyfanatic]

Yes, but the PP (why are we all calling her that? What does PP mean?) admitted that she HAD cancelled the ressie (or, more likely never had one to begin with).

Thank you for asking that question Beca. I don't know what that means either.