SAB at OKW

[PamOKW]

therefore the CM checking IDs would assume they were pool hopping from BWV to SAB not from OKW.

This would be true if they got their information from sampling at the pool. If they got it by polling members about their pool hopping they wouldn't have necessarily broken it down as to which resort they were staying at when they hop. We don't know where this info came from. They are safe in saying "more OKW members" pool hop since there are far more OKW members than members from any other DVC.

 

[erikthewise]

Horace,

I don't really want to argue but I don't think I got my point across.
My point is that construction of a major pool complex like SAB is patently not an operating budget item; it is capital construction.

In the case of BCV, a pool was built as part of the construction of the resort. While one may argue that members purchasing at BCV are paying for it with their purchase of points, they are definitely not paying for it with their annual dues!

In the case of OKW, the only difference is the timing of the (hypothetical) pool construction. The only effect of this difference is the understandably lessened motivation for Disney to pay for it. It would still be capital construction.

 

[DeeP]

They are safe in saying "more OKW members" pool hop since there are far more OKW members than members from any other DVC.

Just curious....how do you find out how many members there are at each DVC resort? Does it go by the number of units so if a DVC resort has 359 units for example they would somehow figure how many memberships they could have based on the number of units at the resort? But what about the many members with several contracts at the same resort?

 

[spruce]

Since OKW is the largest resort. it makes sense that the most pool hoppers came from OKW. Especially if you believe what some say that OKW has lousy pools. I say go try an all-star pool if you want to see a lousy pool. And remember, Nobody pool hops to SAB anymore. Just pool crashers.....spruce

 

[DeeP]

Especially if you believe what some say that OKW has lousy pools. I say go try an all-star pool if you want to see a lousy pool.

Why do you consider the pools at the All Stars lousy? They are larger than OKW pools, are immaculately clean as are OKW pools, have more life guards than OKW pools, have more theming than the OKW pools and do not have a pool slide but nor do OKW pools. The All Star pools actually have a few more things going for them vs the OKW pools. I certainly do not consider the OKW pools lousy (not anything wonderful but not lousy) but then neither are the All Star pools.

 

[Dean]

If it were to be built at OKW, it will come out of our dues. Your talking initial capital outlay then ongoing maint and lifeguards. They could probably do this by a modest increase of points and then use of reserves for a year or 2. The increase of points would then be used to build up the reserves. I doubt they'd do any type of assessment for this project. Personally, I can't see it happening unless there were a major uproar from the members there.

 

[spruce]

For a pool hopping experience, the all-star pools don't get it for me. I'd much rather pool hop to Carribean Beach, PO, poly or WL. The themeing is by far superior. The OKW pools are great in that I parked out in front of my spacious golf course view unit and walked around the building to get to the pool instead of driving to the all-stars to take a dip. I guess if I wanted the all-star experience I wouldn't need to own points at OKW, BWV and BCV.
DVC doesn't even give us a choice to experience the all-stars in the Disney collection. I guess they figure that's trading down too far..........
But back to the topic. I don't think DVC will ever build an SAB type pool at OKW. If they did, could you imagine the my resort is better then your resort threads here on the dis? That'd be good for plenty more comic relief here for our entertainment........spruce

 

[DeeP]

You did not say anything about pool hopping. You said if you want to see a lousy pool go to the All Star resort pools. I was just comparing pools to pools and do not see how the All Star pools can be considered lousy when compared to the OKW pools. I would venture to say just as many people pool hop to OKW pools as they do to the All Star pools. 0=0

 

[DeeP]

I don't think DVC will ever build an SAB type pool at OKW. If they did, could you imagine the my resort is better then your resort threads here on the dis?

This still would not put OKW in a superior location like BCV, BWV or WLV are.

 

[AZKathy]

Here we go again!

 

[Cris]

Originally posted by AZKathy
Here we go again!

haha..you know it!!!

 

[spruce]

You did not say anything about pool hopping

Sure I did,

It makes sense that most pool hoppers come from OKW

Then I implied that some think OKWers pool hop to get away from what some consider are substandard DVC pools. I then said,

go try an all-star pool

. The only way to do that is to stay at the all-stars, pool hop as permitted by DVC or pool crash.
Semantics and no value to DVC owners or future owners is what this post is about. I'm tired of seeing this stuff on the boards and I appologize for doing it and allowing myself to get sucked in. This isn't the topic....spruce

 

[DeeP]

Then I implied that some think OKWers pool hop to get away from what some consider are substandard DVC pools. I then said,

You said if you if you want to see a lousy pool try the All Stars, I was just asking how you can consider the All Star pools lousy? What you implied was if you think OKW pools are lousy you should go to the All Star pools to see a really lousy pool. And in reality the All Star pools have a few more things going for them than the OKW pools do.
The topic of this thread was the mgr from BCV stating that most of the DVC pool hoppers come from OKW and that maybe a pool similiar to SAB would be built at OKW.
To pool hop from OKW to another pool is a chore, I know I have done it and obviously so have many other guests. There must be a reason for people to go the extra mile to pool hop from OKW. There must also be a reason that the pools at OKW have continually come up over and over again, in that. many DVC members are not satisfied with the pools. It has even been put to a vote but the OKW members do not want their dues to go up for anything. However the dues at OKW are steadily rising anyway with no improvements to the pools, but Disney is still raising the dues.
I do not think this can all be fluffed off as OKW having more members so therefore there are more pool hoppers, again there is a reason guests are pool hopping to a larger degree from one DVC resort compared to the others. It is too much of a real issue both on the discussion boards (and not just this board) and in Disney's opinion for it to be just that.
I still would like to know how anyone knows that OKW has so many more members than the other DVC resorts just because it has more units but yet also seems to also have the largest amount of members with multiple contracts. So therefore are you counting # of members or # of contracts? However given that logic then a combination of all the other DVC resorts members would be much greater than the number of OKW members and yet OKW still has the most pool hoppers.
I personally couldn't care less if DVC eliminates pool hopping all together. As someone posted in another thread; is it really fair for members at BCV, BWV & WLV to pay higher dues to maintain the pools, lifeguards, etc so that members at other DVC resorts can reap all the benefits and not pay the piper???

 

[Richyams]

I agree that there are some people that find that clown themed pool at BWV is so apealling that they don't mind dealing with the tiny units, the dramatically higher dues and the high point schedule.

 

[KNWVIKING]

We've all been thru the OKW pool debate and we all have our unchanging opinions. This is what I would like to see:

1) An artist rendition of a themed pool.

2) Costs. Present to me an absolute cost per point increase that includes lifeguards.

3) A full membership,non-binding vote followed by discussion, negotiation,options,etc.

4) Binding membership vote that would require a 2 thirds majority.

Personally I don't see this happening anytime in the next 10-20 years. However,as we approach 2042 or perhaps DVC II, OKW will need to be resold. An SAB II type pool would be a great incentive to purchase OKW over a resort that has "location,location,location" to offer.

I also believe the BC GM's statement was a calculated statement intended to initiate just this type of discussion, (which we all know WDW monitors). I also think that WDW has the statistics to backup the claim that OKW'ers pool hop more.WDW is just too "politically correct" to just throw an unsupported claim like that out there.

 

[PKS44]

Originally posted by DeeP
(snip)... is it really fair for members at BCV, BWV & WLV to pay higher dues to maintain the pools, lifeguards, etc so that members at other DVC resorts can reap all the benefits and not pay the piper???

If poolhopping were completely eliminated you would still have to pay to maintain the pool at the same level. Poolhopping adds ALMOST nothing to the cost of basic maintenance...maybe a few more towels need to be laundered than would otherwise be used, but how much can that be?

I love poolhopping. If I owned at OKW I would want a better pool. When I stayed at OKW, I wished the pool were better....But this $$$ argument doesn't hold water.

Paul

 

[spruce]

If you don't own at OKW, why do you care what facilities OKW has? Your dues at BW would still be what it is if pool hopping was not a perk. If I do a post search under your user name, many of your posts are related to or somehow express how much better BW is compared to OKW. Of course this is your opinion. I just don't understand why contraversy(sp) and debate appears to be the main thing you bring to these boards. Your posts have no value to me and I deceided months ago to quit reading them. Alas though, I have continued to read them but no more.
I did get the survey reguarding making a better pool at OKW. I am against a better pool at OKW. It will change the vacation atmosphere at OKW if an attraction type pool is installed. I am not interested in OKW changing from a laid back place to stay into an attraction. My choice has nothing to do with dues costs which so often is the rallying cry why we OKW owners are so against a better pool. (What is a better pool anyhow?) Who sets that criteria?
I did add-on to BW to get that coveted location and because OKW was sold out at that time(commadore bldg was still up), but I prefer the style of resort at OKW then BW. I did an add-on at BC to be able to spend a day a trip at BC because we enjoy SAB not for the location. We also enjoy the pools at OKW but do not like the BW main pool at all.
I tried to PM this because this stuff doesn't belong on the board but it was too long. I have tried not to bash you but really want to know why you choose to be so negative with your posts and seem to just want to stir things up. Don't think I haven't asked others on the board this same question, because I have.
As I have said many times, all the DVC resorts are top-notch world class destinations. 4 of them now are at WDW.....my God what's the problem.....we own resorts at WDW, what could be better?.......spruce

Moderator....feel free to deleate parts or all of this post if I crossed the line.

 

[PamOKW]

I am against a better pool at OKW

I don't think you mean to say "better". Like you, I am perfectly happy with the pools at OKW. In fact, I love the pool at Old Turtle Pond. I used to keep a photo of it on my office wall (along with other OKW "scenes").

As KNWVIKING lays out, if DVC wants to propose some changes to the pools at OKW I would be open to considering them. I wouldn't want to see a slide just stuck on to the exisiting pools. If it were to be a new concept, I'd think about it.

While they may have plans for a more elaborate pool, it's always been my understanding that SAB is a nightmare to maintain. I would hope they would not include the parts that "don't work" in any pool built at a DVC resort.

While OKW is sold-out, it is in Disney's interest to maintain the resort up to Disney standards. They still rent rooms and include it in their advertising. The same is true of all the DVC resorts --- they still have the Disney name and are still rented as Disney resorts.

Spruce -- Like you, I get very tired of those who look for the opening to stick in their pro-one resort/anti-other resort. We know the ones we are talking about. A recent thread indicates they think it's fun and others said they also "enjoy" reading the smart remarks. I'm with you. It's getting very old. I guess the thing to do is stop reading the threads as soon as they begin to head down the same old "your rooms are small/my pool is better" road.

 

[Poohjan]

We have owned at OKW for seven years, and I have never been unhappy with the OKW pools. We like to stay in the Turtle Pond area, and most of the time I do not even bother going to the main pool. I like the quiet relaxed atmosphere in the pools. I have pool hopped to stormalong bay may two or three times, and never to the Boardwalk. We stayed BW once for a short stay and I did not find it relaxing in the clown pool. I used the quiet pool. My kids never complained, the liked the water parks, and actually, one of their favorites was the pool at the CBR.

In July we are staying at OKW for a week, and YBV for a week, and I will be happy at both places. I really don't see a need for a themed pool at OKW, and could handle the end of pool hopping if it happened because I do it so rarely anyways.

I think we are all way too spoiled by the luxuries DVC provides us and think we need EVERYTHING - EVERYWHERE and at all times. I love the variety available with DVC in accomodations, atmosphere, and locations. DVC is the best thing we have every done.

Jan

 

[Dean]

There are more members at OKW but the points is that there are more members staying at any one time due to the higher number of units. I'm sure there are also more that PH due to the lack of themed pools at OKW as well as the proximity to 2 of the parks for an afternoon break. Still, I suspect the number is lower than it could be due to the hassle factor among other issues.

As for costs for the item, when they did the survey a couple of years ago, they did provide a cost per point for the improvements and a separate cost per point for the lifeguards and the like. I think there were 5000 members polled overall and the results were pretty one sided. I'm sure someone has it handy but I can go back and look later today if needed, seems it was in the fall 2000 VM if memory serves.

As for PH future, I suspect it's on the way out. I don't use it but would hate to see it go both because it's losing one option as well as many of my fellow members enjoy it. As for the bickering, it is getting tiring. You guys haven't figured out that Rich is sitting there laughing every time this hits and then laughs even harder when his baiting produces a negative response. Now he gets to laugh without even posting. All of the DVC resorts are great in their own way. ALL could be improved in one way or another. NONE of them are perfect. Different people have different views. I like OKW best but like all of them including HH even though I feel there are even better choices available to me in HH. It's like the saying "a bad day on vacation is better than a good day at work". While it's not totally accurate, it does portray the idea.