Running late

[GillianP1301]

Showing up late for anything is a major pet peeve of mine and I consider it extremely rude. I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've ever been late for anything, it's just the way I'm wired. And regardless of frequency of being late, I would never, ever, plan to be late for anything, which I've already responded to earlier in this thread for the OP with my advice on their specific situation.

My issue with an "unofficial" grace period, is it just gives an excuse for late to be acceptable and that is not okay with me. If I'm showing up early or on time, it annoys the crap out of for somebody to stroll up 10 minutes late with no consequences (i.e. getting bumped down the seating list,which does not always happen). I think it's reasonable to have an unofficial grace period in place that is not advertised because it allows the individual restaurant to deal with specific situations, i.e. stuck on a broken down bus or ride. In those cases, common sense can be used and a determination can be made based on how busy the restaurant is at that time. But to take that unofficial policy and assume it's a blanket allowance across the board is again, giving the notoriously late person justification for being rude.

It's pretty simple to me really, don't plan to be and don't be late. Plan for contingency and you will find you are very rarely ever late again.

 

[freshmanjs]

Showing up late for anything is a major pet peeve of mine and I consider it extremely rude. I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've ever been late for anything, it's just the way I'm wired. And regardless of frequency of being late, I would never, ever, plan to be late for anything, which I've already responded to earlier in this thread for the OP with my advice on their specific situation.

My issue with an "official" grace period, is it just gives an excuse for late to be acceptable and that is not okay with me. If I'm showing up early or on time, it annoys the crap out of for somebody to stroll up 10 minutes late with no consequences (i.e. getting bumped down the seating list,which does not always happen). I think it's reasonable to have an unofficial grace period in place that is not advertised because it allows the individual restaurant to deal with specific situations, i.e. stuck on a broken down bus or ride. In those cases, common sense can be used and a determination can be made based on how busy the restaurant is at that time. But to take that unofficial policy and assume it's a blanket allowance across the board is again, giving the notoriously late person justification for being rude.

It's pretty simple to me really, don't plan to be and don't be late. Plan for contingency and you will find you are very rarely ever late again.

So, it's binary? 1 second late is unacceptable?

If you are 30 seconds late to a dinner reservation, who are you being rude to? The restaurant?

 

[freshmanjs]

You don't know that.

They do not turn people away who are 5-15 minutes late, which is what she said they absolutely will to.

 

[freshmanjs]

Showing up late for anything is a major pet peeve of mine and I consider it extremely rude. I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've ever been late for anything, it's just the way I'm wired. And regardless of frequency of being late, I would never, ever, plan to be late for anything, which I've already responded to earlier in this thread for the OP with my advice on their specific situation.

My issue with an "official" grace period, is it just gives an excuse for late to be acceptable and that is not okay with me. If I'm showing up early or on time, it annoys the crap out of for somebody to stroll up 10 minutes late with no consequences (i.e. getting bumped down the seating list,which does not always happen). I think it's reasonable to have an unofficial grace period in place that is not advertised because it allows the individual restaurant to deal with specific situations, i.e. stuck on a broken down bus or ride. In those cases, common sense can be used and a determination can be made based on how busy the restaurant is at that time. But to take that unofficial policy and assume it's a blanket allowance across the board is again, giving the notoriously late person justification for being rude.

It's pretty simple to me really, don't plan to be and don't be late. Plan for contingency and you will find you are very rarely ever late again.

So, the fastpass system is not ok with you? Since it has an official grace period? The mortgage system is not acceptable to you because it has an official grace period?

 

[GillianP1301]

So, it's binary? 1 second late is unacceptable?

If you are 30 seconds late to a dinner reservation, who are you being rude to? The restaurant?

To me it is, yes.

And you are being rude to other guests. In the case where somebody is showing up late to something like a meeting, it's rude to the other participants.

I'm not going to debate 30 seconds vs 10 minutes because saying 30 seconds is okay turns into 2 minutes being okay, then 5 minutes, etc... Am I going to be upset about 30 seconds late? Highly unlikely, but its the principal of the matter. Showing up late with no regard for the impact to other patrons, participants or establishment is acting entitled.

 

[Lisa F]

Showing up late for anything is a major pet peeve of mine and I consider it extremely rude. I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've ever been late for anything, it's just the way I'm wired. And regardless of frequency of being late, I would never, ever, plan to be late for anything, which I've already responded to earlier in this thread for the OP with my advice on their specific situation.

My issue with an "official" grace period, is it just gives an excuse for late to be acceptable and that is not okay with me. If I'm showing up early or on time, it annoys the crap out of for somebody to stroll up 10 minutes late with no consequences (i.e. getting bumped down the seating list,which does not always happen). I think it's reasonable to have an unofficial grace period in place that is not advertised because it allows the individual restaurant to deal with specific situations, i.e. stuck on a broken down bus or ride. In those cases, common sense can be used and a determination can be made based on how busy the restaurant is at that time. But to take that unofficial policy and assume it's a blanket allowance across the board is again, giving the notoriously late person justification for being rude.

It's pretty simple to me really, don't plan to be and don't be late. Plan for contingency and you will find you are very rarely ever late again.

I would agree with you IF it were a reservation time and Disney was planning on you being there at that time and holding your table and would seat you at that time. THEN it is rude because it could really back things up.

But what it really is doing is trying to, in a very broad brush way, is control the flow of people showing up to the restaurant. If I'm going to show up 15 minutes early and it could still take 20-30 minutes past my ADR time to be seated, I'm not going to feel like a bad person if I show up 5-10 minutes late because the fastpass line on peter pan was 40 minutes long and I was not expecting that and then my kid had a bathroom emergency and that took some time to resolve and then instead of being 10 minutes early we end up 10 minutes late. I'll get in the queue and be seated when I'm seated and don't really see how it's "rude" when there is no table waiting for me to begin with, when I have to wait for something to become available regardless of when I show up.

That said I would not plan for it, because then if you run into any issues you'll be REALLY late. But I'm not going to feel like a bad person if it happens, even for anything less than a ride or transportation complete breakdown.

 

[GillianP1301]

So, the fastpass system is not ok with you? Since it has an official grace period? The mortgage system is not acceptable to you because it has an official grace period?

I have no issue with official grace periods.

 

[freshmanjs]

My issue with an "official" grace period, is it just gives an excuse for late to be acceptable and that is not okay with me.

I have no issue with official grace periods.

 

[GillianP1301]

I would agree with you IF it were a reservation time and Disney was planning on you being there at that time and holding your table and would seat you at that time. THEN it is rude because it could really back things up.

But what it really is doing is trying to, in a very broad brush way, is control the flow of people showing up to the restaurant. If I'm going to show up 15 minutes early and it could still take 20-30 minutes past my ADR time to be seated, I'm not going to feel like a bad person if I show up 5-10 minutes late because the fastpass line on peter pan was 40 minutes long and I was not expecting that and then my kid had a bathroom emergency and that took some time to resolve and then instead of being 10 minutes early we end up 10 minutes late. I'll get in the queue and be seated when I'm seated and don't really see how it's "rude" when there is no table waiting for me to begin with, when I have to wait for something to become available regardless of when I show up.

That said I would not plan for it, because then if you run into any issues you'll be REALLY late. But I'm not going to feel like a bad person if it happens, even for anything less than a ride or transportation complete breakdown.

I totally hear you on the disconnect between being kept waiting beyond an ADR and potentially being penalized for being a few minutes late and I expect that is a big reason why they do accommodate late arrivals.

if I'm being honest, I'm not worrying about if another person is checking in late because I'm on vacation and don't really care. What I have a problem with is people having no regard for anybody else and assuming, or even planning, on being late to suit their own agenda. Just make every effort to not be late, its not that hard.

 

[Nancyg56]

They do not turn people away who are 5-15 minutes late, which is what she said they absolutely will to.

If you mean me, I was responding with your emphatic declaration that they do not turn late arrivals away. They do. I have never provided any time frame in terms of late, but have said that there is no official grace period, so individual restaurants will do as they feel necessary.

I again will say they absolutely turn people who are late away, but will qualify it with: Guests who are late, and whose arrival any individual restaurant feels will impact its production, may be turned away.

 

[GillianP1301]

My issue with an "official" grace period, is it just gives an excuse for late to be acceptable and that is not okay with me.
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I have no issue with official grace periods.

Well crap, I hate when I screw up trying to make a point. Thanks for keeping me honest.

That first one should have said unofficial.

I don't think it really matters, if you're trying this hard to validate being late, then there is really no hope you're ever not going to be.

 

[freshmanjs]

Well crap, I hate when I screw up trying to make a point. Thanks for keeping me honest.

That first one should have said unofficial.

I don't think it really matters, if you're trying this hard to validate being late, then there is really no hope you're ever not going to be.

Not following. I am almost never late. You're saying I am 100% late for everything? How would you possibly know that? Weird...

 

[GillianP1301]

Not following. I am almost never late. You're saying I am 100% late for everything? How would you possibly know that? Weird...

It was a generalization.

 

[freshmanjs]

It was a generalization.

It's an incorrect generalization. There are situations where it is useful to know the consequences and parameters for being late so you can make appropriate tradeoffs about how much risk of being late you take. We all make those tradeoffs every day (even those of us who try very hard not to be late). Saying that being late is 100% wrong and being early/on-time is 100% right is just incorrect. The cost of ensuring 100% on time would be enormous in some situations and clearly not worth it.

 

[maryj11]

Oh for goodness sake! Grace period does not matter, it all depends on the CM and how far behind they are on seating guests if you are turned away.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

6 pages of arguing about being late... due to a (completely unnecessary) Frozen sing along FP. Only on the Dis!

 

[GillianP1301]

It's an incorrect generalization. There are situations where it is useful to know the consequences and parameters for being late so you can make appropriate tradeoffs about how much risk of being late you take. We all make those tradeoffs every day (even those of us who try very hard not to be late). Saying that being late is 100% wrong and being early/on-time is 100% right is just incorrect. The cost of ensuring 100% on time would be enormous in some situations and clearly not worth it.

Okay, sure. I actually agree with this for the most part. What you are explaining are exceptions (also some basic risk management strategies, which I don't feel the need to discuss separately in this case, but wanted to acknowledge), which do happen. I don't recall I've said otherwise, although I'm sure you'll cut and paste for me if I have.

 

[maryj11]

6 pages of arguing about being late... due to a (completely unnecessary) Frozen sing along FP. Only on the Dis!

That's what I'm saying

 

[GillianP1301]

Oh for goodness sake! Grace period does not matter, it all depends on the CM and how far behind they are on seating guests if you are turned away.

6 pages of arguing about being late... due to a (completely unnecessary) Frozen sing along FP. Only on the Dis!

I'm going to consider these the drop the mic moments of this thread and since I'm guilty of the most recent round of "arguing", I'm going to step away from the keyboard. Thank you both for keeping it real.

 

[Lisa F]

I totally hear you on the disconnect between being kept waiting beyond an ADR and potentially being penalized for being a few minutes late and I expect that is a big reason why they do accommodate late arrivals.

if I'm being honest, I'm not worrying about if another person is checking in late because I'm on vacation and don't really care. What I have a problem with is people having no regard for anybody else and assuming, or even planning, on being late to suit their own agenda. Just make every effort to not be late, its not that hard.

I would think that you shouldn't worry about it because it doesn't really impact you one way or another. I think at any given time they have multiple 2-tops, 4-tops, 6-tops at least waiting for a table so if someone shows up late, chances are that 1) they were not going to seat you right away anyway, because a 15-20 minute wait seems to be the norm except right when a restaurant opens and 2) there are other parties that could fill the table ahead of you, even if their ADR time is the same or later. Again they are just trying to control the flow of people and party sizes showing up to the restaurant at any given time rather than pre-assigning tables to particular parties. If my party of 2 is 10 minutes late I don't think it really impacts how they seat people because they are not holding a particular table for me to arrive, they will seat one of the other parties of 2 who have checked in.

I'm guessing that there is really only a couple of circumstances where they would cancel you for showing up late around by about 15-20 minutes... one is if they have already given your table to a walk-up (which I think is probably not likely and they are probably directed to NOT do that within the first 15 minutes, hence the 15 minute grace period) and the other is if they are running really far behind and see the opportunity to mitigate future delays by taking your party out of the seating equation... if they are running 45 minutes to seat and by removing your party they can hold that at 45 for the next round or get it down to 30 rather than increase it to an hour by seating you, they might be inclined to use that opportunity.

Otherwise there is no reason to cancel someone out who shows up during the time they would have been waiting for a table anyway. It doesn't impact anyone really. But since no one knows what is going on at a restaurant at any given time it's a dangerous game to play to PLAN on doing that. But I would think MOST of the time when things are flowing along at a typical rate, that showing up 10-15 minutes late to check in for a table you should have had to wait 15-20 minutes for anyway impacts absolutely no one.