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Yeah, I thought Obi-Wan was great - I don't understand the hate at all. Boba I did like, but I can see where it might not be for everybody. Andor started a bit slow, but WOW did it get good!

I wonder if my expectations for Obi-Wan were too high? I can't put my finger on why I didn't like it outside of how I thought some of the fight scenes weren't the best.

But Andor was amazing. Really surprised me.
 
I wonder if my expectations for Obi-Wan were too high? I can't put my finger on why I didn't like it outside of how I thought some of the fight scenes weren't the best.

But Andor was amazing. Really surprised me.
For me it was a few things. I felt like it broke cannon pretty severely as Leia is likely to remember for years the Jedi she had all those high adventures with. Seems pretty clear in Episode 4 that she had no idea who Obi-Wan was.

Also agree the fight scenes didn't look very good. Vader and Obi-wan fighting, sorta breaks cannon again here.

The straw for me was the little girl hid under a coat trick right out of looney tunes. Even the young actress when interviewed thought that scene was quite foolish.

I just felt like the series should have been Obi-Wan protecting Luke from a distance and all the high drama that went with that. That would have made way more sense with the way episode 4 picks up.
 
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For me it was a few things. I felt like it broke cannon pretty severely as Leia is likely to remember for years the Jedi she had all those high adventures with. Seems pretty clear in Episode 4 that she had no idea who Obi-Wan was.

Also agree the fight scenes didn't look very good.

The straw for me was the little girl hid under a coat right out of looney tunes trick. Even the young actress when interviewed thought that scene was quite foolish.

I just felt like the series should have been Obi-Wan protecting Luke from a distance and all the high drama that went with that. That would have made way more sense with the way episode 4 picks up.

It was mostly forgettable to me. I know I really disliked the first Vader/Obi Wan "fight". It was poorly done. Seemed really rushed and not fleshed out.

TBH I never even really thought about the points you bring up. But that's true, how could she have no idea who ObiWan was after those adventures?!
 
Obi-Wan worked for me if only because it allowed Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen to actually act with a good script. :P

I have a soft spot for the Larses (my son's name is Owen), so I absolutely loved seeing more of them. Uncle Owen always got a bad rap but he was a very loving father. Him saying to Reva about Luke, "he IS my own," was all I ever wanted from the series and made me pump my fist and cheer. Not to mention Beru digging up buried blasters.

Also, we FINALLY go to see Alderaan, and Breha. (Why Alderaan was not part of the prequels, I will never understand.)
 

It was mostly forgettable to me. I know I really disliked the first Vader/Obi Wan "fight". It was poorly done. Seemed really rushed and not fleshed out.

TBH I never even really thought about the points you bring up. But that's true, how could she have no idea who ObiWan was after those adventures?!

I mean, it's never made clear that she doesn't remember him. She sends him a very formal message for help, but it doesn't really convey whether or not she knows him. She does later exclaim, "Ben Kebobi - where is he?" She doesn't seem shocked that he goes by Ben either.
 
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I mean, it's never made clear that she doesn't remember him. She sends him a very formal message for help, but it doesn't really convey whether or not she knows him. She does later exclaim, "Ben Kebobi - where is he?" She doesn't seem shocked that he goes by Ben either.
Not made clear, but certainly suggested by the tone / context of her message. When I reach out to an old buddy who I had some adventures with, I don't normally do so in a formal and sterile way.
 
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Not made clear but certainly suggested by the tone of her message. When I reach out to an old buddy who I had some adventures with, I don't normally do so in a formal and sterile way.

Well she may have wanted to keep that a secret. Also, the senetors in Star Wars kind of put on airs with their speech patterns when acting in official capacity. Padme and Leia both do it - Leia even does that faux British accent. She doesn't talk like that normally.
 
Well she may have wanted to keep that a secret. Also, the senetors in Star Wars kind of put on airs with their speech patterns when acting in official capacity. Padme and Leia both do it - Leia even does that faux British accent. She doesn't talk like that normally.
Possibly, just seems like a bit a stretch to me.
 
Not made clear, but certainly suggested by the tone of her message. When I reach out to an old buddy who I had some adventures with, I don't normally do so in a formal and sterile way.
This is your interpretation of her tone. Until Leia herself confirms it, it is simply an interpretation.
 
And Brian's opinion is his interpretation of her tone. Of course you can have Disney cannonize it now after the fact in a current book or something, but that doesn't change how it is currently. I just personally think that if she had these high adventures with Obi-Wan she would not have said "General Kenobi, Years ago you served my father in the clone wars. Now he begs you to help him with his struggle against the empire".

She would have a least acknowledged their prior relationship, not just his work with her father.
 
Not made clear, but certainly suggested by the tone of her message. When I reach out to an old buddy who I had some adventures with, I don't normally do so in a formal and sterile way.
There was a very good chance that her message could have been intercepted by the Empire first and had no guarantee it was ever going to be seen by Kenobi so she’s not going to be like “Hey, buddy! Old pal! Remember that time you saved me at the request of my father who’s a key memeber of the Rebel Alliance after I was kidnapped and we took on the Empire together? Fun times!” It was by complete chance that R2 ended up in the Lars’ possession and Luke knew who “Ben” was.

Realistically, the story group and writers did the best that they could to keep Kenobi as canon compliant as they could with A New Hope. Leia is a diplomat and a senator who knows about her father’s devotion to the Rebel Alliance and was keeping her cards as close to her chest as she could with that message in case it got into the wrong hands and put them all in danger.
 
There was a very good chance that her message could have been intercepted by the Empire first and had no guarantee it was ever going to be seen by Kenobi so she’s not going to be like “Hey, buddy! Old pal! Remember that time you saved me at the request of my father who’s a key memeber of the Rebel Alliance after I was kidnapped and we took on the Empire together? Fun times!” It was by complete chance that R2 ended up in the Lars’ possession and Luke knew who “Ben” was.

Realistically, the story group and writers did the best that they could to keep Kenobi as canon compliant as they could with A New Hope. Leia is a diplomat and a senator who knows about her father’s devotion to the Rebel Alliance and was keeping her cards as close to her chest as she could with that message in case it got into the wrong hands and put them all in danger.
So how does her formal message, with no mention of their former relationship, make the message less risky? I mean she says they need help / protection from the Empire. The same empire that was born at the end of the clone wars which she says Obi-Wan and her father fought in ...........Against the entity that preceded the empire. How does this not incriminate them as is?
 
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So how does her formal message, with no mention of their former relationship, make the message less risky? I mean she says they need help / protection from the Empire. The same empire that was born at the end of the clone wars which she says Obi-Wan and her father fought in ...........Against the entity that preceded the empire. How does this not incriminate them as is?

I dunno, maybe it does. I think the more important question is, does it really matter?
 
Yeah, I thought Obi-Wan was great - I don't understand the hate at all. Boba I did like, but I can see where it might not be for everybody. Andor started a bit slow, but WOW did it get good!
I liked Andor a lot. Haven't seen Obi-Wan. Boba Fett was okay until they went all "fan service," not only bringing in characters who didn't need to be in that show, but having things happen to those characters that should have occurred in another show. I'm positive there were people who didn't watch Boba and were confused as hell when the other show started up again, since they had missed a major plot point. (They didn't miss it through any inaction of their own; it was hidden from them in a different show.)
 
So how does her formal message, with no mention of their former relationship, make the message less risky? I mean she says they need help / protection from the Empire. The same empire that was born at the end of the clone wars which she says Obi-Wan and her father fought in ...........Against the entity that preceded the empire. How does this not incriminate them as is?
I do see your point about Vader and Palpatine already knowing about Bail’s affiliation with the Jedi Order/Kenobi due to his assistance in secretly running supplies to the inhabitants of planets under siege and to the clones fighting there during TCW and her not needing to play coy about that but at this point in the story Alderaan is “a loyal” part of the Galactic Empire (formerly the Republic) and a member of the Imperial Senate so in the Empire’s eyes it seems like Alderaan and Bail are firmly under their boot as far as they know and Bail’s obviously been playing nice to avoid suspicions and to keep things under wraps so that his people remain safe until he couldn’t anymore and was returning back to Alderaan from Yavin 4 to have his people start gearing up for war with and openly rebel against the Empire and so he sent Leia to get the plans and Kenobi on his behalf. I guess at the time of recording the message Leia thinks she can still lie her way out of it even though she’s been blatantly caught in the act but she still wants to be vague about revealing what info they actually have and her family’s continued affiliations with Obi-Wan outside of what happened during The Clone Wars in case the Empire does track down the droids and retrieve the data from R2 and it exposes them even more than they have been before they’re ready to strike.
 
💯, it’s what a giant chunk of the media market is designed around now, nostalgia sells. It’s never as good as you remember, but sometimes a taste of it does the trick.
Who would have ever thought an original thought would be such a novel concept
Explain Top Gun Maverick then? Massive financial and critical success. When Original characters are respected properly, no one has an issue with the new generation of stars getting the baton passed to them.

Also Ghostbusters Afterlife is a good example too. Young and very diverse cast, but pretty much resurrected a dead / dying franchise after it was on life support due to the 2016 debacle.
 
Explain Top Gun Maverick then? Massive financial and critical success. When Original characters are respected properly, no one has an issue with the new generation of stars getting the baton passed to them.

Also Ghostbusters Afterlife is a good example too. Young and very diverse cast, but pretty much resurrected a dead / dying franchise after it was on life support due to the 2016 debacle.

I don't know that Maverick passed the baton - it was basically a gush-fesh about how great Maverick is and how the young kids just don't know anything and he can school them all, all the time, forever. They will NEVER be as good as him. I guess that's what all the Luke fans wanted, and nothing more.

Afterlife did handle it a bit better, but it was almost too much nostalgia/easter eggs. It also did well enough, but was not a huge hit. Top Gun definitely was.
 
Explain Top Gun Maverick then? Massive financial and critical success. When Original characters are respected properly, no one has an issue with the new generation of stars getting the baton passed to them.

Also Ghostbusters Afterlife is a good example too. Young and very diverse cast, but pretty much resurrected a dead / dying franchise after it was on life support due to the 2016 debacle.
I don't know much about the new Ghostbusters, and i don't know many who saw it, so i'll take your word for it.

Top Gun is more the exception then the rule, if more sequels take the time and thought Maverick took i will concede defeat, I just don't expect to see that. For instance, I'm not holding my breath for Indiana Jones haha
 
Explain Top Gun Maverick then? Massive financial and critical success. When Original characters are respected properly, no one has an issue with the new generation of stars getting the baton passed to them.
Maverick isn’t original. It’s a Star Wars trench run training montage where the end of the day the Old Dog is the one who has to save the day where the newcomers serve as assistants. It’s also filled with nostalgia and Easter eggs from the original as fan service.
 














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