RUMOR: Sequel Trilogy to be De-Canonized

[YesterDark]

Profitability is a huge part of what Disney will decide on Star Wars. I think this is something we can all agree on no matter how you felt about the sequel trilogy.
Now, it is my belief that there are 2 types of people that watch star wars. The casual fan that Disney catered to with the new trilogy AFTER The Force Awakens (They used the nostalgia of the previous films heavily to get the fans onboard with episode 7) and the hardcore Star Wars fans from the original trilogy and the prequals. The problem is the casual fans watch the movie in the theaters once. The hardcore fans watch the films multiple times. This is why episode 8 and 9 profitability went down drastically. If Disney recognizes this which I'm sure they do, and the recent injection of politics in entertainment doesn't intrude, Disney can very feasibly be going this route and making a alternate universe idea of what happened in Star Wars. After all in the current climate, Disney needs profitability more then anything else and what better trojan horse then Star Wars?

Re-doing the sequals would probably earn them more money than the first set.

 

[rteetz]

Re-doing the sequals would probably earn them more money than the first set.

Not necessarily. I think if they did fatigue would be even more so. TFA was a huge movie for Disney. I don’t think a redo of a sequel trilogy would do as well. Also what do you do with Carrie Fisher? Also Harrison Ford definitely won’t come back, as he asked to be killed off in the first one. Now maybe 10+ years down the line you try a reboot and it could work. I certainly don’t see it working now.

 

[skeeter31]

Not necessarily. I think if they did fatigue would be even more so. TFA was a huge movie for Disney. I don’t think a redo of a sequel trilogy would do as well. Also what do you do with Carrie Fisher? Also Harrison Ford definitely won’t come back, as he asked to be killed off in the first one. Now maybe 10+ years down the line you try a reboot and it could work. I certainly don’t see it working now.

Exactly this. We have what we have at this point. Enjoy it and move on. If you don’t like it, there are other franchises out there for you, or like I said earlier, re-read the Legends books (I’m doing that. Midway through NJO right now and loving it).
Plus, even if a Disney re-did the movies, there’s a chance they could wind up being even worse.

 

[KayMichigan]

They aren't redoing the sequels. There is absolutely zero chance of that happening. This is nothing but wishful thinking from a fan YouTube site.

 

[BrianL]

Not necessarily. I think if they did fatigue would be even more so. TFA was a huge movie for Disney. I don’t think a redo of a sequel trilogy would do as well. Also what do you do with Carrie Fisher? Also Harrison Ford definitely won’t come back, as he asked to be killed off in the first one. Now maybe 10+ years down the line you try a reboot and it could work. I certainly don’t see it working now.

To be honest, I never thought that the sequels really needed ANY of the original cast - maybe one to act as a mentor, like Obi-Wan from the prequel-era to the OT, but the others were not required. In fact, I think they made the right decision to focus on the young stars and not dwell on the OT guys too much.

 

[rteetz]

To be honest, I never thought that the sequels really needed ANY of the original cast - maybe one to act as a mentor, like Obi-Wan from the prequel-era to the OT, but the others were not required. In fact, I think they made the right decision to focus on the young stars and not dwell on the OT guys too much.

Also very true. That said if you were to redo them would you use the same cast or use a new one? I would have a hard time believing the same cast would come back for a redo.

 

[BrianL]

Also very true. That said if you were to redo them would you use the same cast or use a new one? I would have a hard time believing the same cast would come back for a redo.

I wouldn't redo them at all - maybe a Special Edition but I liked them just fine. Honestly, I think a lot of OT fans wanted "The Continuing Adventures of Luke Skywalker" and when they didn't get that they just kind of soured on the whole thing. That's just my take.

 

[jade1]

Yea they can keep these, up to them.

But IF they create some using the world between worlds theory, I will be there.

There's a lot out there if done well IMO.

 

[imjustafatkid]

Plus, even if a Disney re-did the movies, there’s a chance they could wind up being even worse.

This is hard to imagine. Having force ghost Yoda use the force to set a building on fire just so it wouldn't be banned in China for showing a ghost (seriously, China doesn't allow ghosts), giving the Jedi who has totally turned his back on that life suddenly becoming so powerful that he can project his image across the universe, and the totally inexplicable decision to suddenly make warp drive a weapon are all series-breaking decisions. Now that these things exist, there will never be a good reason for the good guys not to have access to or utilize these things.

You can have any Jedi appear literally anywhere in the universe. Why did they ever use communicators?
Force ghosts can actually use the force. Why didn't Yoda (!!) or Obi-Wan intervene when Luke was struggling against the Emperor? Why didn't they intervene when Rey was fighting the Emperor?
Warp drive kamikaze runs can destroy starships, but we never used this method for literally any battle before or sense? This isn't the only time the rebellion has ever been in a hopeless battle.

They completely threw out ALL Star Wars lore, not just the original trilogy, and went with complete nonsense that barely even make sense on its own.

It's honestly amazing to run into more than 1 or 2 people who actually enjoyed this film. This board is a true anomaly.

 

[imjustafatkid]

Agree to disagree. TRoS could’ve taken TLJ and finished off the Skywalkers but it was a mess. I do think Carrie’s death threw a wrench into everything. Her send off was good but could’ve been much better.

Once she died, her character should have died in episode 8. They had plenty of time to reshoot certain scenes to make that work, especially since they even left a perfect scene in the movie where she was shot into space. Her suddenly becoming a flying force user able to breathe in space is another really bad portion of TLJ. Totally nonsensical in terms of what viewers could have known about Leia or the Force in general (which is quite a lot), and actually a perfect time to end that character in what could have been a moment that got Luke out of his funk so he would actually train Rey. Instead, Rian Johnson made the ridiculous decision to leave episode 9 with a dead Luke and an impossible-to-film Leia and made Rey into a Mary Sue. There was no way to fix that.

 

[imjustafatkid]

I liked the characters in TLJ, particularly Poe. He is the humorous space jock that we all root for, yet when it came time for his derring do, he stumbled.

No shouldn't have, because he was right. If you take the movie and look at everything that happened, Leia and whatever the purple haired ladies name was ran everyone into what should have been certain death. Poe was correct, and they should have listened to him. Making him into a joke was the dumbest thing they did in TLJ. He and Rey were the most interesting characters going into the movie, and they made him into nothing more than a punchline.

 

[imjustafatkid]

I actually LOVE TROS - it's a bit fan-servicey, but I enjoyed it immensely. It was just so fun, the most fun since The Phantom Menace in my book.

Oh. You liked "The Phantom Menace." Nevermind.

 

[BrianL]

No shouldn't have, because he was right. If you take the movie and look at everything that happened, Leia and whatever the purple haired ladies name was ran everyone into what should have been certain death. Poe was correct, and they should have listened to him. Making him into a joke was the dumbest thing they did in TLJ. He and Rey were the most interesting characters going into the movie, and they made him into nothing more than a punchline.

When I said he stumbled I meant when he got all of the bombers destroyed. Leia was right to take him to task for that. I absolutely agree that Poe was correct to lead a mutiny against the untrusting Admiral Holdo. You're not supposed ot like Holdo - she's the typical "brass that won't listen to her soliders" from any war movie. Nearly everyone was on Poe's side. Holdo knew she screwed up which is why she paid for it with her life. Poe got to see the ugly side of command and learned from that too - and Leia knew it. It all made sense to me.

 

[imjustafatkid]

Nearly everyone was on Poe's side. Holdo knew she screwed up which is why she paid for it with her life. Poe got to see the ugly side of command and learned from that too - and Leia knew it. It all made sense to me.

Apparently it didn't all make sense to you. Leia knew the plan the entire time. She rebuked Poe when he tried to warn against it. You'd have to think she was a terrible leader who took the side of terrible plans that would get people killed, which is another extremely bad decision in TLJ.

When I said he stumbled I meant when he got all of the bombers destroyed. Leia was right to take him to task for that.

I disagree on this point too. The bomber run was about as good a move as they had at that point, and it worked to give them the opportunity to escape.

 

[BrianL]

Apparently it didn't all make sense to you. Leia knew the plan the entire time. She rebuked Poe when he tried to warn against it. You'd have to think she was a terrible leader who took the side of terrible plans that would get people killed, which is another extremely bad decision in TLJ.
I disagree on this point too. The bomber run was about as good a move as they had at that point, and it worked to give them the opportunity to escape.

Leia knew about the escape plan, but not necessarily the idea to hide it from everyone and foment dissent and a mutiny. I don't think that was her call and it's where Holdo fails as a leader. Poe took too many losses with the bombers - they didn't need to finish off the dreadnaught to escape.

 

[Krandor]

It's honestly amazing to run into more than 1 or 2 people who actually enjoyed this film. This board is a true anomaly.

I know a lot of peeopl who like it. and you know what that is fine. We can disagree. I'm not sure why but you need to have a mission to make eveerybody hate thee movies beecause you don't like them.

Why can't you just let some people like them without trying to convince them they are wrong to like them?

 

[chasgoose]

Her suddenly becoming a flying force user able to breathe in space is another really bad portion of TLJ. Totally nonsensical in terms of what viewers could have known about Leia or the Force in general (which is quite a lot)

The whole reason only the movies and certain other properties made subsequently to Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm (and a few before like the Clone Wars series) were determined to be "canon" was so the sequel trilogy only really had to acknowledge what was established by the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy. Both of those were vague enough about the Force and its limitations that Leia's force flying (which I agree is one of the more silly moments of TLJ) didn't violate any of those rules. This is also the whole reason why complaining about "de-canonizing" the sequel trilogy is deeply silly. Disney "de-canoned" what it did precisely so it didn't have to deal with the volumes of Star Wars lore that had been produced prior to its acquisition of Lucasfilm. They knew filmmakers would want the freedom to tell a "new" story while also allowing the other stuff, which many people justifiably like, to still exist and just not intrude on the new story.

It's honestly amazing to run into more than 1 or 2 people who actually enjoyed this film. This board is a true anomaly.

Most people I know think TLJ was the best of the sequel trilogy, people just run in different circles. I still would imagine that there are probably more casual Star Wars fans like me, who think they are well-done, iconic and fun movies, than there are hardcore Star Wars fans of the type who can't see any good in TLJ, which is probably my favorite Star Wars after ESB and TROTJ (I used to like ANH the most but the more I rewatch it the more I'm reminded about what a slog it can be between the iconic moments). The Star Wars movies are great, but like at the end of the day they are still just really fun and well-done kids movies. Most of us watch them for the sense of wonder and impossible and escape that they provide and we continue to watch them because most of us came to them sometime in our childhood and even the most talky and complicated prequels (Trade Federation war I'm looking at you) still can't fully ruin that for us. I liked TLJ because instead of being a facsimile of the feeling I had watching ANH like TFA was, it was a new spin on the familiar that spun it out in interesting and exciting ways (I mean the battle on Krait (sp?) with all the red snow effects is still maybe my favorite moment on a cinematic level of any Star Wars).

It's also totally fine to dislike TLJ, because it certainly made some choices (which I and many others liked, but you and many others didn't), but your insistence that people who like it are an "anomaly" or are "wrong" is unproductive. Different people like different things. To go back to my point above about "de-canonization," if you don't like the sequel trilogy just make them "Legends" in your own head canon. No one is going to stop you. Those movies were the direction that Disney chose to take, but if you don't like them then don't let Disney take you there. The thing is though, Disney is never going to "de-canonize" the sequel trilogy, mostly because the vast majority of the Star Wars audience (at least for the movies) doesn't even know the distinction between the canonized Star Wars and the de-canonized Star Wars "Legends." They have only seen the movies and it would be an extremely bizarre choice for Disney to be like hey those movies didn't actually exist here's the real story. You can still be mad with how the sequel trilogy handled the Skywalker Saga, and think it should have been handled differently, as that's exactly what head-canon is for! For me I mostly enjoyed the sequel trilogy, even when it retconned TLJ in TROS (and also didn't do a great job of explaining the whole Emperor's return part until I went on Wookiepedia and read the details that were in the novelization), but I also was just expecting the exciting escapist fantasy kids movie that the series always was.

 

[New Mouse]

Agree to disagree. TRoS could’ve taken TLJ and finished off the Skywalkers but it was a mess. I do think Carrie’s death threw a wrench into everything. Her send off was good but could’ve been much better.

Yeah, they coulda let her fly off into space...

 

[Tiki Birdland]

I wouldn't redo them at all - maybe a Special Edition but I liked them just fine. Honestly, I think a lot of OT fans wanted "The Continuing Adventures of Luke Skywalker" and when they didn't get that they just kind of soured on the whole thing. That's just my take.

No so sure about that, Based on the reception of The Mandalorian, good story telling and creative set design -- and good acting -- seem to be more important that continuing a dead-end story arc. I agree that they're not going to redo anything. But, I could see them picking up on certain aspects and exploring that further, especially if they can come up with some good stories.

 

[BrianL]

No so sure about that, Based on the reception of The Mandalorian, good story telling and creative set design -- and good acting -- seem to be more important that continuing a dead-end story arc. I agree that they're not going to redo anything. But, I could see them picking up on certain aspects and exploring that further, especially if they can come up with some good stories.

Well, I would argue that the ST had all of those same elements, at least to the degree of any other Star Wars movie. What I usually see happen is that when a fan doesn't like something they will nitpick and tear down everything about it. When they do like something they forgive the little flaws. Fans took the prequels to task for a lot of things the OT was guilty of - like bad acting for one. It's a double standard that happens when people try to defend their position. I'm guilty of it too. I give Marvel movies a lot of slack because I generally enjoy them. A DC movie though? That stuff is garbage and I can "prove" it - though I would be using a lot of the same things Marvel movies are guilty of to do it. It's really kind of a pointless exercise, though the debate can be fun with people who don't get too intense about it.