RUMOR: Sequel Trilogy to be De-Canonized

[Krandor]

Right, but I thought we were talking movies? maybe I misunderstood

The OP was Disney would claim the New movies are an "alternate universe" and present new options for what happened post ROTJ in books/comics. No suggestion that new movies be made to replace 7-9. Just disney claims 7-9 are no longer what "really happened".

 

[YesterDark]

Not gonna happen. It's wishful thinking by people who didn't like the sequels. Apparently the rumor originated at a YouTube site whose veracity is highly dubious at best.

Disney isn't going to junk three entire movies that they spent a lot of money on just to make some dissatisfied fans happy.

Not that I think it's a probable outcome but seen other big Star Wars fans/channels say they have heard similar rumors. If anything, I bet there are bigger conversations going on internally.

 

[moericus]

I think this is wishful thinking. But Disney will still most likely abandon Rey and most of the new characters. They are just boring. Poe was their one success on screen and that momentum died in TLJ.

 

[ParrotBill]

Knowing Disney for a long time, any discussion of story canon is for the purpose of driving up revenue. Nothing else. Not to appease the hardcore fan base. Because the popular fan base, to which I belong, liked the third trilogy just fine. And the numbers support that. No problem with any movie except Solo. Solo was just not good enough to drive repeat viewings and word of mouth did not bring more people in. When comparing, remember the dynamics of movies changed since the first two trilogies. Movies always cost more to make now, and bring in proportionally less revenue as there are fewer seats to sell than before.

 

[Lewisc]

Movies come are available for home viewing in months not years. VHS tapes were no way near theater quality. 4K is close.
I don't think we'll ever see the number of multiple viewings as in the past.

 

[BrianL]

Knowing Disney for a long time, any discussion of story canon is for the purpose of driving up revenue. Nothing else. Not to appease the hardcore fan base. Because the popular fan base, to which I belong, liked the third trilogy just fine. And the numbers support that. No problem with any movie except Solo. Solo was just not good enough to drive repeat viewings and word of mouth did not bring more people in. When comparing, remember the dynamics of movies changed since the first two trilogies. Movies always cost more to make now, and bring in proportionally less revenue as there are fewer seats to sell than before.
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Solo also came out at a terribly time, very shortly after another Star Wars film and smack in the middle of a packed spring with Avengers and Deadpool. I actually thought it was very good, but it just slipped through the cracks.

Not that I think it's a probable outcome but seen other big Star Wars fans/channels say they have heard similar rumors. If anything, I bet there are bigger conversations going on internally.

I do think it's certainly true that there are some internal discussions about the best way to move forward. Kennedy may indeed be looking for a change anyway - I don't think they would oust her, but I do think they would let her leave with little fuss. Then the question is who takes charge, and everyone has their opinions on that. I doubt they will "de-canonize" the ST (nor should they) but likely just move on to new eras and stories in the SW Galaxy.

 

[YesterDark]

I do think it's certainly true that there are some internal discussions about the best way to move forward. Kennedy may indeed be looking for a change anyway - I don't think they would oust her, but I do think they would let her leave with little fuss. Then the question is of who takes charge and everyone has their opinions on that. I doubt they will "de-canonize" the ST (nor should they) but likely just move on to new eras and stories in the SW Galaxy.

They wouldn't oust her, but in true Disney fashion they'll find a way to nudge her around until she makes up her own mind which I bet is happening now. The sequel trilogy was a travesty just from a competent story telling point of view, she deserves to go just because of that.

Whomever takes over needs to "save" the brand so-to-speak. Disney has their own numbers for sure, but I'm willing to bet they can detect the loss of enthusiasm for the brand which is measured in things like toys, stickers, books, pencils and everything with a Star Wars label on it.

The positive thing is that it's not a damaged brand just the enthusiasm is down on it. Just look at the Mandalorian. Give the Star Wars space quality content and it's devoured. Star Wars is deeply set in our our cultural zeitgeist. You can easily reinvigorate it.

 

[Tandy]

They would have to use the same characters. Rey and Kylo are so ingrained into everything now that now that it would be a financial nightmare to change stuff.
Let it be. It is what it is.

I just wish they would have lasted at least a movie or two with Ren being mysterious and a bad-a. He has such cool potential with his look and voice (I thought it was way more menacing than Vaders). Stopping a blaster, nuts.... then they go and immediately make him whiny. Wish they would have delayed that a little.

 

[YesterDark]

Rey and Kylo were terrible characters over the full arc. They had horrible character development. Those characters will not have any long term impact on the brand. They will fade away, there will be no Clone Wars cartoon this time to carry this trilogy like it did the prequel. The Clone Wars is what created new Star Wars fans 10-20 years ago for a new generation.

The sequel had no big bad guy. Kylo was someone you felt bad for because you saw his humanity that was being conflicted and taken over by the dark side. You rooted for him. Palpatine was a joke and Snoke turned out to be trivial and a non-entity.

 

[BrianL]

They wouldn't oust her, but in true Disney fashion they'll find a way to nudge her around until she makes up her own mind which I bet is happening now. The sequel trilogy was a travesty just from a competent story telling point of view, she deserves to go just because of that.

Whomever takes over needs to "save" the brand so-to-speak. Disney has their own numbers for sure, but I'm willing to bet they can detect the loss of enthusiasm for the brand which is measured in things like toys, stickers, books, pencils and everything with a Star Wars label on it.

The positive thing is that it's not a damaged brand just the enthusiasm is down on it. Just look at the Mandalorian. Give the Star Wars space quality content and it's devoured. Star Wars is deeply set in our our cultural zeitgeist. You can easily reinvigorate it.

Well, I disagree about the ST - I think it's just fine. It's easily as consistent as the OT, which also wasn't all that planned out. It all works in the grand scheme of things, though it maybe mirrors the OT a little too strongly.

I do agree that all they need to do is create strong new content and that will work for them. Mando has been a huge success as was the final season of The Clone Wars. I don't really see that they have a big problem. It's a 40 year old franchise and Marvel is a thing - it's gotta compete for those dollars these days.

 

[OhanaWoman]

If they do right by original trilogy fans, My husband an I would rewatch a new star wars movie in the theaters a MINIMUM of 3 times. And there are millions out there like us.

 

[moericus]

They wouldn't oust her, but in true Disney fashion they'll find a way to nudge her around until she makes up her own mind which I bet is happening now.

I can remember several news articles during the Solo/TLJ years saying Iger was privately and publicly trying to replace Kennedy. But no one would touch it.

 

[Krandor]

No problem with any movie except Solo. Solo was just not good enough to drive repeat viewings and word of mouth did not bring more people in.

I think the issue with solo is it is a movie nobody really asked for or wanted or that seemed interesting. I never heard people be that intersted in wanting to know more about young solo and his adventures. By comparison I know a lot (like myself) that would like to see an origin type movie around Yoda or Obi-Wan.

The solo movie wasn't bad. I enjoyed it. But the concept to begin with is just..meh.

By comparison nobody was asking for a rougue one movie either, but the concept of let's watch the team that infilttraes the empire and steals the plans to the death star is a concept that screams "that soulds cool"... Young solo not so much.

 

[YesterDark]

Well, I disagree about the ST - I think it's just fine. It's easily as consistent as the OT.

We need to have a talk, because you didn't watch the same movies I did then!

 

[BrianL]

I think the issue with solo is it is a movie nobody really asked for or wanted or that seemed interesting. I never heard people be that intersted in wanting to know more about young solo and his adventures. By comparison I know a lot (like myself) that would like to see an origin type movie around Yoda or Obi-Wan.

The solo movie wasn't bad. I enjoyed it. But the concept to begin with is just..meh.

By comparison nobody was asking for a rougue one movie either, but the concept of let's watch the team that infilttraes the empire and steals the plans to the death star is a concept that screams "that soulds cool"... Young solo not so much.

I can agree with that. I think they should have kept it as like a "Star Wars: Underworld" type movie. They could have worked in some of the Solo backstory but also more of Crimson Dawn/Black Sun/Darth Maul, etc. They could have included Boba Fett etc. and maybe even done a series of that. I think that could have worked better and we still could have seen the cool stuff like The Kessel Run.

 

[YesterDark]

Solo was a fine movie. It's just that they never couched it properly. They were going to rip off a bunch of origin movies similar to how Marvel launched their universe with a bunch of intro/origin movies with all their character except in reverse order. Remember we were supposed to get Solo, Yoda, ObiWan, Fett etc.? They were going to pepper us with these one-off movies.

Except it really doesn't work well when you've known that character for 40+ years and the big story they had to tell (The OT) was already told. Imagine we got Infinity Wars and then 10 years later we got the first Iron Man movie with an actor that kind of looked like Robert Downy Jr. as a young dude.

 

[fatmanatee]

I feel like if you have a rumor like this you should link to the source so people can decide if it's legit. "Just google it" isn't doing it for me.

 

[BrianL]

We need to have a talk, because you didn't watch the same movies I did then!

Look, man, I've heard it. The assumption that because I feel differently about the films that I couldn't possibly understand them is a condescending way to dismiss my opinion. To me, I think the ST as a whole works, even if it pivots in the middle. Empire takes a pretty hard turn from A New Hope, but Jedi turns back toward the comfortable elements of the original. The difference is that you enjoyed the originals and you didn't like the ST. Thats fair, and I'm not going to tell you why you should like them. I think though that people don't see the "flaws" in the OT because they love them so much, and they nitpick the ST, and the Prequels, for a lot of the same supposed issues present in the OT (most things really aren't issues at all to me). In the end, the ST didn't deliver what certain fans wanted to see, but it doesn't make their narrative flawed. Ep IX picked up every thread and tied them up - it all works - at least as well as any other Star Wars does. The Prequels were the only ones that really were planned out in advance (hmm, maybe that is why they are the superior trilogy).

Honestly, literally anything they chose to do would have disappointed some fans and they would be the loudest voices in the room - just like with the Prequels - just like with any long running series. If they change too much they "destroyed" it - if they don't change enough they are "just copying" it. There is no way to win with certain folks, but they did win with most of us who jsut wanted to enjoy it, and did.

 

[skeeter31]

I feel like if you have a rumor like this you should link to the source so people can decide if it's legit. "Just google it" isn't doing it for me.

There’s the problem. If the link isn’t provided up front, it’s not legit. It’s fanboy sites promoting their theories. There is no actual source to this.

 

[Tiki Birdland]

They wouldn't oust her, but in true Disney fashion they'll find a way to nudge her around until she makes up her own mind which I bet is happening now. The sequel trilogy was a travesty just from a competent story telling point of view, she deserves to go just because of that.

Whomever takes over needs to "save" the brand so-to-speak. Disney has their own numbers for sure, but I'm willing to bet they can detect the loss of enthusiasm for the brand which is measured in things like toys, stickers, books, pencils and everything with a Star Wars label on it.

The positive thing is that it's not a damaged brand just the enthusiasm is down on it. Just look at the Mandalorian. Give the Star Wars space quality content and it's devoured. Star Wars is deeply set in our our cultural zeitgeist. You can easily reinvigorate it.

It is all about good story telling. The Mandalorian is a great example. Watching the behind the scenes stuff on D+ demonstrates that good acting and good directing -- regardless of who's it -- is a winning formula. Someone said that KK had a hand in Mandalorian. Maybe she can learn from the earlier mistakes and produce quality content still. At least I can hope.