Rumor of more cutbacks

[Figment632]

I think under the old system Horizons, World of Motion and Food Rocks would have been E tickets. There's no right answer to this, so all anyone can do is guess -- but when you consider that Country Bears, Pirates and it's a small world were all true E tickets, it's not hard to make the leap.

That said, I really enjoy Mission: Space and while I know many people have fond memories of Horizons I felt like it was a badly dated attraction. And I don't know anyone who would pick Food Rocks over Soarin or Millionaire over TSM.

In any case, the idea that some people complain no matter what kind of attraction opens to replace whatever else is just a cop-out -- a way to issue a blanket dismissal of valid and reasonable criticism without actually addressing them.

I wounded pick WWTBM over TSM bit I do find TSM way over rated. There are no sets and you sit stationary in front of screens.

A D at best IMO.

 

[tjkraz]

I think under the old system Horizons, World of Motion and Food Rocks would have been E tickets. There's no right answer to this, so all anyone can do is guess -- but when you consider that Country Bears, Pirates and it's a small world were all true E tickets, it's not hard to make the leap.

Of course, other dark rides like Peter Pan's Flight, Mr. Toad and Snow White were "C" tickets.

The Tomorrowland Skyway and Flight to the Moon were "D" tickets.

If we're going to use the line of reasoning that Horizons = "E" ticket because Country Bears & Pirates = "E" ticket, then the most likely outcome for the last 15-20 years worth of attraction development would have been "F" tickets and "G" tickets. "E" Tickets didn't even exist in 1955. Walt introduced them to suit his latest wave of additions including Matterhorn and the Nemo subs, and he would have either re-classed old attractions or continued to run down the alphabet.

Test Track, Rock N Rollercoaster, Soarin and others just don't fit into a system where Country Bears and It's A Small World are recognized as the best-of-the-best.

 

[Figment632]

Of course, other dark rides like Peter Pan's Flight, Mr. Toad and Snow White were "C" tickets.

The Tomorrowland Skyway and Flight to the Moon were "D" tickets.

If we're going to use the line of reasoning that Horizons = "E" ticket because Country Bears & Pirates = "E" ticket, then the most likely outcome for the last 15-20 years worth of attraction development would have been "F" tickets and "G" tickets. "E" Tickets didn't even exist in 1955. Walt introduced them to suit his latest wave of additions including Matterhorn and the Nemo subs, and he would have either re-classed old attractions or continued to run down the alphabet.

Test Track, Rock N Rollercoaster, Soarin and others just don't fit in
system where Country Bears and It's A Small World are recognized as the best-of-the-best.

That's the thing though a rides ticket status can change over time.

For example.

CBJ is now a C
ISAW even though I hate it is a D.

Currently TT Soarin and even though MS is a failure are all E's.

 

[tjkraz]

That's the thing though a rides ticket status can change over time.

For example.

CBJ is now a C
ISAW even though I hate it is a D.

Currently TT Soarin and even though MS is a failure are all E's.

Says who? Ride tickets were discontinued almost 30 years ago.

Did I miss the existence of some governing body that exists to rate Disney theme park attractions???

 

[Figment632]

Says who? Ride tickets were discontinued almost 30 years ago.

Did I miss the existence of some governing body that exists to rate Disney theme park attractions???

By Disney the Disney fans and WDI still use the system. If you don't want to don't.

I believe WDI revered to TLM as going to be a D not me they said that.

People on these boards still use the lingo if you don't want to don't but leave the rest of us alone.

 

[tjkraz]

By Disney the Disney fans and WDI still use the system. If you don't want to don't.

I believe WDI revered to TLM as going to be a D not me they said that.

People on these boards still use the lingo if you don't want to don't but leave the rest of us alone.

Well, I would love to see the definitive list of where all of the attractions are ranked today.

BTW, this Disney pin seems to disagree with your take on Toy Story Mania:

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/pin?id=44676

But what do they know.

 

[Oglet]

You could build the best E ticket ride on property and if it is not themed right then it is going to come up short. TSM is popular because of its theme, It's a okay ride at best that has been themed to a very popular movie franchise.

Soarin is nothing amazing, its nice but not mind blowing. Your lifted up in the air and watch a movie that gives you the feeling of flying, it's fun and cute but hardly mind blowing either. It's what comes before the ride that contributes to their overall experience.

TOT isn't anything amazing, there are other rides out there around the world that simulate a up and down drop, TOT is amazing because of the theme.

Since Disney is all about presentation and quality I believe it is fair to complain about things when we feel they come up short, very few of their rides if any would be what they are without being themed.

 

[nytimez]

Of course, other dark rides like Peter Pan's Flight, Mr. Toad and Snow White were "C" tickets.

The Tomorrowland Skyway and Flight to the Moon were "D" tickets.

If we're going to use the line of reasoning that Horizons = "E" ticket because Country Bears & Pirates = "E" ticket, then the most likely outcome for the last 15-20 years worth of attraction development would have been "F" tickets and "G" tickets. "E" Tickets didn't even exist in 1955. Walt introduced them to suit his latest wave of additions including Matterhorn and the Nemo subs, and he would have either re-classed old attractions or continued to run down the alphabet.

Test Track, Rock N Rollercoaster, Soarin and others just don't fit into a system where Country Bears and It's A Small World are recognized as the best-of-the-best.

I don't think anyone knows what the "most likely outcome" would have been. It's weird how you want to insist on being right over hypotheticals. Kind funny how you're insisting in one post that there's no "governing body" that rates theme park attractions... yet in another post you seem to know EXACTLY what each attraction is/was/should be/will be.

Some people consider TSM to be a "D," others an "E." Not really that big a deal, it's one of the many things fans can and do debate. No need to belittle others for their views on that, however.

 

[Figment632]

Well, I would love to see the definitive list of where all of the attractions are ranked today.

BTW, this Disney pin seems to disagree with your take on Toy Story Mania:

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/pin?id=44676

But what do they know.

Good for the pin Disney can consider it that if the want to because it does draw like an E. I however find a dark ride without AA's and sets where you sit stationary 90% of the time to be a D.

Don't listen to Disney you should form your own opinion. I also think RnRC I'd a D.

 

[nytimez]

TOT isn't anything amazing, there are other rides out there around the world that simulate a up and down drop, TOT is amazing because of the theme.

Since Disney is all about presentation and quality I believe it is fair to complain about things when we feel they come up short, very few of their rides if any would be what they are without being themed.

So true. I think ToT is one of the best examples of that "Disney difference" because right up the street you've got Dr. Doom's Fear Fall, also drop ride (actually, it shoots you up fast, but brings you down slow -- that's their spin on it).

Anyway, ToT is an incredible and well-themed overall experienced... Fear Fall is... well... I'll never miss ToT when I'm at Disney, it's one of my favorite rides anywhere -- but I don't have to go on Fear Fall. It's a pretty generic experience.

Good for the pin Disney can consider it that if the want to because it does draw like an E. I however find a dark ride without AA's and sets where you sit stationary 90% of the time to be a D.

Don't listen to Disney you should form your own opinion. I also think RnRC I'd a D.

I disagree on this. I think RnRC is a solid E ticket ride.

 

[tjkraz]

I don't think anyone knows what the "most likely outcome" would have been. It's weird how you want to insist on being right over hypotheticals. Kind funny how you're insisting in one post that there's no "governing body" that rates theme park attractions... yet in another post you seem to know EXACTLY what each attraction is/was/should be/will be.

Some people consider TSM to be a "D," others an "E." Not really that big a deal, it's one of the many things fans can and do debate. No need to belittle others for their views on that, however.

My sole point is:

Horizons -> Mission Space
World of Motion -> Test Track
Food Rocks -> Soarin
WWTBAM -> Toy Story Mania

Not really sure why Figment632 bogged-down the discussion by assigning specific ratings to the defunct list of attractions. Does it really matter whether Food rocks was a "C" or a "D"?

I'm certainly open to debate on specific attractions. If you read the thread *I* was the one initially scolded for allegedly ranking incorrectly.

 

[Figment632]

So true. I think ToT is one of the best examples of that "Disney difference" because right up the street you've got Dr. Doom's Fear Fall, also drop ride (actually, it shoots you up fast, but brings you down slow -- that's their spin on it).

Anyway, ToT is an incredible and well-themed overall experienced... Fear Fall is... well... I'll never miss ToT when I'm at Disney, it's one of my favorite rides anywhere -- but I don't have to go on Fear Fall. It's a pretty generic experience.



I disagree on this. I think RnRC is a solid E ticket ride.

The reason I disagree with RnRC as an E is I take every part of an attraction into account when I grade it.

It's supposed to be the golden age of HW but a band from the 70's is featured. I Don't count this anymore because DHS no longer gas a theme.

Any way the queue is the worst queue in WDW by far IMO. There us nothing to it. Also it is an off the shelf coaster nit like SM, EE, and BTM.

I'd say RNRC is a D but then again I judge attractions more harshly than most.

 

[Figment632]

My sole point is:

Horizons -> Mission Space
World of Motion -> Test Track
Food Rocks -> Soarin
WWTBAM -> Toy Story Mania

Not really sure why Figment632 bogged-down the discussion by assigning specific ratings to the defunct list of attractions. Does it really matter whether Food rocks was a "C" or a "D"?

I'm certainly open to debate on specific attractions. If you read the thread *I* was the one initially scolded for allegedly ranking incorrectly.

Were you ever on Horizons or WoM?

 

[nytimez]

My sole point is:

Horizons -> Mission Space
World of Motion -> Test Track
Food Rocks -> Soarin
WWTBAM -> Toy Story Mania

I wouldn't disagree with any of that, regardless of how you class any of the individual attractions.

But I'm one of the few people on these threads who thinks the late-1990s/early 2000s changes to Epcot made the park better overall. Most people have stronger feelings about the older attractions, especially Horizons.

Going over to MK, however, I'd be less generous. Assuming rides would at least be revamped over time, I would have rather seen upgraded versions of Toad and Wings over Pooh and Buzz Lightyear, respectively. They took a lot of the "tomorrow' out of Tomorrowland IMO with the changes they've made there since the 1990s.

(FWIW, Extra Terrorestrial was better than Stitch -- slightly, neither attraction is great -- and Timekeeper was better than Laugh Floor -- again, only slightly, since I'm not a huge fan of either.)

So, it depends on which attractions you use for your examples...