Rumor- New Second Island and 2 new Ships!

[C6PT7]

I suppose that's possible, but I give them more credit than that. First, the DIS is pretty darn big and probably is not hurting for traffic where they have to resort to cheap tricks to boost clicks. Secondly, because it is so big, its reputation would suffer enormously if they started posting sensational but completely unsubstantiated rumors that do not even partially pan out. Finally, while I don't know any of these people personally, I get the impression that they are not like "that".
Again, I could be wrong on one or more of those counts, but I would like to think that I'm not.
Just to be clear, the "they" I was referring to was Disney, not the DIS.

Its Sunday morning (about 5:30 on the west coast), the last day of D23 and we are still waiting for an official announcement concerning DCL. Hoping something comes along.
BTW, somewhere up-thread a poster was wondering if the DIS folks made up this rumor in order to promote the site. Not going to happen. The DIS folks are merely repeating what they have heard. The do have sources behind the scenes and its possible that they have learned this information themselves by networking. Or they are just passing along trade floor rumors.

No slant against you're opinions, but the dis is a business, and employ's people to hype up people on social media to draw them to the dis. They make there money from hits on the website and the advertising shown. if you view without logging in there are tons, and less if you are a member. It's a free site and someone has to pay for the servers and full-time non volunteer staff. more people visit the site, more they get paid for the adverts! currently have one for russiawomendate.com and a furniture shop below.
Pete owns the dis, and half of dreams unlimited the TA from what I've read.
this site does drive traffic to the TA side of his business, and they wouldn't have paid to set up a booth at D23 if they did not think it would still attract more customers to the dis and DU.
very disappointed in the lack of tweets from the dis on dcl after the rumor.
i've yet to see anything on their twitter account or maybe i'm using the webpage wrong?

 

[Plaid Princess]

I personally wish for more west coast cruises. I know Mexico has been a challenge, and I do understand about needing a foreign port, but Princess seems to be the only line that offers closed loop Pacific coast cruises consistently, other lines primarily just do re-positioning. Seems like an untapped market to me, and could be nice with a Disneyland tie in. San Diego, Catalina Island, San Pedro/Long Beach, Santa Barbara, San Francisco, Astoria are all nice ports with Victoria or Ensenada thrown in for the foreign port. I know wishful thinking.... but a girl can dream!

This! I don't know why people seem to think the only west coast ports are in Mexico. Toss one foreign port in, and do the rest up and down the CA, OR, WA coastlines.

 

[KashasMom]

That's IT? No DCL news? No new ships? No fantastic new itineraries? Yawn.

 

[squirk]

No slant against you're opinions, but the dis is a business, and employ's people to hype up people on social media to draw them to the dis. They make there money from hits on the website and the advertising shown. if you view without logging in there are tons, and less if you are a member. It's a free site and someone has to pay for the servers and full-time non volunteer staff. more people visit the site, more they get paid for the adverts! currently have one for russiawomendate.com and a furniture shop below.
Pete owns the dis, and half of dreams unlimited the TA from what I've read.
this site does drive traffic to the TA side of his business, and they wouldn't have paid to set up a booth at D23 if they did not think it would still attract more customers to the dis and DU.
very disappointed in the lack of tweets from the dis on dcl after the rumor.
i've yet to see anything on their twitter account or maybe i'm using the webpage wrong?

I am fully aware that the DIS is a business and how they make their revenue. Just because they are a for-profit venture and derive revenue from ads and clicks does not mean they make up spectacular but wholly unfounded rumors as their own home-grown "click bait". Again, my guess is that they don't need to, and that they know the massive hit in credibility (and sales) they would take if they got caught doing that.

If, as it appears, there is no new ship/island news, that doesn't mean the DIS made anything up. They might have just gotten some bad intel. And if I am being honest here, yes, I will be putting a little less stock in the next DIS "rumor alert", but that doesn't mean they necessarily acted in bad faith.

Not saying you're wrong in your suspicions, but I'm not ridiculously naive in mine, either.

 

[RRB]

Time to close this thread

 

[C6PT7]

I am fully aware that the DIS is a business and how they make their revenue. Just because they are a for-profit venture and derive revenue from ads and clicks does not mean they make up spectacular but wholly unfounded rumors as their own home-grown "click bait". Again, my guess is that they don't need to, and that they know the massive hit in credibility (and sales) they would take if they got caught doing that.

If, as it appears, there is no new ship/island news, that doesn't mean the DIS made anything up. They might have just gotten some bad intel. And if I am being honest here, yes, I will be putting a little less stock in the next DIS "rumor alert", but that doesn't mean they necessarily acted in bad faith.

Not saying you're wrong in your suspicions, but I'm not ridiculously naive in mine, either.

Im not saying you are wrong either. not sure how they could be accused of making up or posting unfounded rumors either, when no source for the stated rumor was sited, so no loss of credibility (and sales) and how could they be caught?
1 thing it certainly has done is generatd a 8 page thread with 144 posts and 12,170 views as of now, with 487 ppl liking it on their FB page, 114 shares, an 58 comments, and a lot of traffic on on twitter. not to mention yotube views.I say good for them.the days coming will tell all if disney held back and the rumors were true.

 

[squirk]

You make an good point. If they were doing something like that, it would be almost impossible to prove.

But that's a slippery slope. Every time they (hypothetically) do that, there will be an erosion of confidence in their "rumor alerts". People will stop paying attention, saying "those DIS rumors never come to pass". And if a pattern develops where more and more "rumor alerts" totally don't pan out, especially if no other Disney sites are ever picking up on these same rumors, then I think that will wind up being all the "proof" people need that the DIS was ginning things up as click-bait.

As disappointing as it is to have no new ship or island news today, I'll give the DIS the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes rumors just don't pan out, even though everyone was acting in good faith.

But yeah, if I browse other sites tomorrow and see that no one else even mentioned new ships/islands, then maybe the DIS needs to be a little more judicious and try to get a little more substantiation on the rumors they publish.

 

[bcwife76]

Bummer

You said it

 

[squirk]

HEY! Quit your bellyaching! Disney Infinity is coming to DCL and vice versa! That's 10 fafillion times better than new ships/islands!

....

 

[C6PT7]

You make an good point. If they were doing something like that, it would be almost impossible to prove.

But that's a slippery slope. Every time they (hypothetically) do that, there will be an erosion of confidence in their "rumor alerts". People will stop paying attention, saying "those DIS rumors never come to pass". And if a pattern develops where more and more "rumor alerts" totally don't pan out, especially if no other Disney sites are ever picking up on these same rumors, then I think that will wind up being all the "proof" people need that the DIS was ginning things up as click-bait.

As disappointing as it is to have no new ship or island news today, I'll give the DIS the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes rumors just don't pan out, even though everyone was acting in good faith.

But yeah, if I browse other sites tomorrow and see that no one else even mentioned new ships/islands, then maybe the DIS needs to be a little more judicious and try to get a little more substantiation on the rumors they publish.

Eactly why I have more faith in Scott on the disneycruiselineblog.com.
He has sources and does name them as and when he can, and is a lot more accurate than some of the others.

 

[truck1]

Agree bar the maths, Dream and fantasy have 1250 rooms that's 3750 available per week, or 12000 passengers, note Dream does two cruises a week.

In the summer the cruises do not fill as well as the winter when sailing from PC. Since 2005 DCL has taken a ship out of PC,

2005 Magic to LA leaving the Wonder.
2007 Magic to the Med leaving the Wonder.
2008 as 2005.
2010 Magic goes to the Baltic, and Med.
2011 Wonder goes to Alaska in summers and Magic always to Europe.

From 2017- 5 years post the Fantasy arrival in PC the new ships can leave, now there is still minimal port calls, they could make that up in winter, or replace the Fantasy with the Magic.

Agree bar the maths, Dream and fantasy have 1250 rooms that's 3750 available per week, or 12000 passengers, note Dream does two cruises a week.

In the summer the cruises do not fill as well as the winter when sailing from PC. Since 2005 DCL has taken a ship out of PC,

2005 Magic to LA leaving the Wonder.
2007 Magic to the Med leaving the Wonder.
2008 as 2005.
2010 Magic goes to the Baltic, and Med.
2011 Wonder goes to Alaska in summers and Magic always to Europe.

From 2017- 5 years post the Fantasy arrival in PC the new ships can leave, now there is still minimal port calls, they could make that up in winter, or replace the Fantasy with the Magic.

There's s little bit of reason behind DCL moving the Magic. From talking with the bridge crew DCL sees the Magic as the test ship or ambassador. That's why she went to Cali first. It's why she went to the Med and left the Wonder. If the Wonder was the lead ship in the class and fleet, she'd be the wanderer with the Magic on the west coast. And at the time, with only 2 ships, DCL didn't have a choice.

When we were on the Dream in July I talked to gs about how full the ships sail. The answer I got surprised me a little bit. Basically the Dream is averaging close to 100% during the course of the year. The Wonder is doing the same on Alaska. The verdict is still out on the Riviera.
The Magic is doing well in Europe and the Fantasy is running about 80% on average. I'm not 100% sure on why that is other then looking at a cost standpoint it's cheaper to sail in the off season on the Fantasy, considering the cruise I took in almost the same cabin on the Dream in July was the same price I paid for the Fantasy in Oct.

The one thing to keep in mind also is that if RCL and CCL both are adding bigger ships, and more of them, there must be a demand for more cabins. It would seem counter productive to remove cabins from PC. What I could see DCL doing is moving the Fantasy to say a 10 day PC trip and replacing her with either the Magic or the mid sized new build keeping the cabin count up.

 

[squirk]

Eactly why I have more faith in Scott on the disneycruiselineblog.com.
He has sources and does name them as and when he can, and is a lot more accurate than some of the others.

Oh, yes. I visit his site daily. It's so good that I am angry I didn't do it first.

 

[mevelandry]

Parks and DCL cruise is on 3 pm to 4.30 pm Pacific time.

Awwww. I thought East Time.

 

[tinkerone]

Eactly why I have more faith in Scott on the disneycruiselineblog.com.
He has sources and does name them as and when he can, and is a lot more accurate than some of the others.

this is so true, your so on the money. there are some who want to show they are in the know, its so important that they show their superior to us, but really don't know their.......well you get the picture.

but I digress, scott knows his stuff and what he shares I tend to believe. so glad he is around.

 

[OKW Lover]

No slant against you're opinions, but the dis is a business, and employ's people to hype up people on social media to draw them to the dis. They make there money from hits on the website and the advertising shown. if you view without logging in there are tons, and less if you are a member. It's a free site and someone has to pay for the servers and full-time non volunteer staff. more people visit the site, more they get paid for the adverts! currently have one for russiawomendate.com and a furniture shop below.
Pete owns the dis, and half of dreams unlimited the TA from what I've read.
this site does drive traffic to the TA side of his business, and they wouldn't have paid to set up a booth at D23 if they did not think it would still attract more customers to the dis and DU.
very disappointed in the lack of tweets from the dis on dcl after the rumor.
i've yet to see anything on their twitter account or maybe i'm using the webpage wrong?

Sorry C6PT7 but you are barking up the wrong tree IMHO.

The DIS/Dreams does employ people to bring us information through the boards, podcast and other social media. Hype is in the eye of the beholder. Reporting rumors and facts is one of the things that we expect to hear when we go to their site, listen to their podcast or follow them on social media. As long as the rumor and fact are clearly distinguished (and that's been my experience with the DIS) I don't see how this is "hype". At least how I would use that term.

Yes, the boards are at least partially supported by advertising revenue. No surprise there. I assume that just about any non-personal page I see on the web earns somebody some advertising revenue. It costs money to run the boards and they are not just here because Pete likes to throw money at server equipment.

So, lets see, "the more people that visit the site, the more they get paid for the adverts!" Yes, true. That does not support your apparent conclusion that the DIS is manufacturing news just to drive eyes to their pages. Also true is that the site and the podcast do help bring clients to the TA side of the business. And amazingly enough that also earns them revenue. Still not seeing an issue here.

As far as the lack of tweets from the DIS folks at D23 about the DCL rumor, is it at all possible that there just wasn't any news? That perhaps the people out there were focusing on all the big news that did come out of D23?

Some of the above may come off a bit harsh. I've read many of your other posts here on the DIS and find you quite knowledgeable on lots of things, especially maritime related, and respect your opinion. I just think you are really far off the mark on this.

 

[mylittlebuttercup]

HEY! Quit your bellyaching! Disney Infinity is coming to DCL and vice versa! That's 10 fafillion times better than new ships/islands!

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You kind of beat me to the punch...I was going to say hey, we actually ARE getting a new ship and new island--the virtual Disney Cruise Dreamship and Castaway Cay Toy Box for Disney Infinity.

 

[perditax]

Time to close this thread

Or move it out of the Cruise sub, or something. Hugely misleading title at this point.

 

[The Sasquatch]

I find it amazing that people are accusing The Dis of creating false rumors. I cant tell you how many times Pete, John and their team consistently discuss rumors that end up being true BUT they always say that they are just rumors and/or opinions which may not come to fruition. Who is to say this DCL rumor isnt true but that the timing wasnt for D23? I really appreciate the hard work, dedication and candid approach to that I get from The Dis team. Some "rumors" turn out to be nothing, Disney has a long history of that. I believe Pete had predicted Star Wars land for over a year and each and ever time he made it clear that was based on his opinion.

 

[kiapepito]

I was telling my husband this afternoon what would have happened had they announced their new alcohol policy at D23....

 

[skier_pete]

I just wanted to say that I have interacted with the folks running the DIS and the individual who tweeted that rumor originally, and I believe they would never intentionally post a false rumor to stir up hits or anything like that. Even at the tim, he said it was just a rumor.

That said, they are fallable - and not a particularly good source for inside information. I remember back in 2012 when Pete "confirmed" that Carsland was coming to DHS and an announcement was imminent. Well, we know what happened there...rumors are only as reliable as the sources...and usually the people that are truly "in the know" don't go spreading rumors ahead of time. (let's remember that no-one got it right that they were going to announce Star Wars and Toy Story land at D23, in fact the rumor was that they weren't!