Rumor: MSEP closing?!

I get what you're saying, but if it's not a matter of having the parade or not having the parade then why does it matter? I mean, you can pretty much come up with the possibilities and plan accordingly. Plans A-.....

Plan A - There is a parade we want to see, we watch the parade.

Plan B - There is a parade we do not want to, we do not watch the parade.

Plan C - There is no parade offered, we can't watch a parade.

Plan D - They have both MSEP and PTN...say what, awesome sauce!!!!1!1!!1!!

I am an obsessive planner, but with planning comes variability. You have to plan for the unexpected. Adapt and overcome.

I get being bummed about a ride being down for a refurb during a vacation, but is that really so much worse than a ride being down unexpectedly? Or a ride that you would really like to go on, but you don't want to waste a fastpass on, having an abnormally long wait time for the duration of your vacation? Talking specifically about Big Thunder Mountain Railroad and Dinosaur, at least you know they are going to be down for your vacation so you can plan accordingly.

Everyone's situation is different. Some people go once in their lives. It sucks for them the most. Some people go once every so many years. It sucks for them a lot. Some people go once a year. It kind of sucks for them. Some people go multiple times a year. It doesn't suck as much for them. The suckiness just depends on where you fall. At least in my opinion.


It has more to do with scheduling park days. Do you go on a party day for lighter crowds? No, wait, we don't want to miss the night parade. So schedule a busier day so you can see the night entertainment. Fit everything else around that plan. Then you find out there's no parade and you would have been better off visiting on a party day for lower crowds? Change plans? What about your ADRs? They're all taken. You can maybe move FPs around, but some you can't, and certainly not at the same times.

The point is, once ADRs and FPs are set around certain assumptions, it's really hard to go back in and change up anything.

I've been plotting out a potential change to WDW in November instead of DLR since this came up, and I'm about to just give up on the endeavor.

The point is that Disney shouldn't be making last minute changes like this when they make people plan so far out. It's just inconsiderate. I understand sometimes they can't help it. But this is happening far too much lately for me to buy they just can't help it.
 
It has more to do with scheduling park days. Do you go on a party day for lighter crowds? No, wait, we don't want to miss the night parade. So schedule a busier day so you can see the night entertainment. Fit everything else around that plan. Then you find out there's no parade and you would have been better off visiting on a party day for lower crowds? Change plans? What about your ADRs? They're all taken. You can maybe move FPs around, but some you can't, and certainly not at the same times.

The point is, once ADRs and FPs are set around certain assumptions, it's really hard to go back in and change up anything.

I've been plotting out a potential change to WDW in November instead of DLR since this came up, and I'm about to just give up on the endeavor.

The point is that Disney shouldn't be making last minute changes like this when they make people plan so far out. It's just inconsiderate. I understand sometimes they can't help it. But this is happening far too much lately for me to buy they just can't help it.

Understood. I guess I've just never had a problem moving dining reservations or fastpasses to be honest. I don't know how my fiancee does it. She's a wizard at getting last minute fastpasses. Maybe it's because we like to eat at odd hours (earliest breakfast possible, skip lunch, dinner around 3PM-4PM) so those are more likely to be available? v0v. The other thing I am just realizing is that it must be hard traveling with a child who was so looking forward to something, only to tell them a month out that the Dinosaur ride they want to go on isn't going to happen. That must really suck.

Another thing I'm realizing is we typically don't go when there are any parties, so there usually isn't a crazy swing between crowds. Plus we park hop like crazy. Not everyone purchases the hoppers.
 
I get what you're saying, but if it's not a matter of having the parade or not having the parade then why does it matter? I mean, you can pretty much come up with the possibilities and plan accordingly. Plans A-.....

Plan A - There is a parade we want to see, we watch the parade.

Plan B - There is a parade we do not want to, we do not watch the parade.

Plan C - There is no parade offered, we can't watch a parade.

Plan D - They have both MSEP and PTN...say what, awesome sauce!!!!1!1!!1!!

I am an obsessive planner, but with planning comes variability. You have to plan for the unexpected. Adapt and overcome.

I get being bummed about a ride being down for a refurb during a vacation, but is that really so much worse than a ride being down unexpectedly? Or a ride that you would really like to go on, but you don't want to waste a fastpass on, having an abnormally long wait time for the duration of your vacation? Talking specifically about Big Thunder Mountain Railroad and Dinosaur, at least you know they are going to be down for your vacation so you can plan accordingly.

Everyone's situation is different. Some people go once in their lives. It sucks for them the most. Some people go once every so many years. It sucks for them a lot. Some people go once a year. It kind of sucks for them. Some people go multiple times a year. It doesn't suck as much for them. The suckiness just depends on where you fall. At least in my opinion.

In our case, yes it's a one and done with the kids. Nothing against WDW but there's an entire world out there we want the kids to experience.

I understand your "plans A-D" scenario, which is fine, but at this point I have the A-D scenario literally every day of our trip. We haven't even told the kids we're going yet because even though I'm 54 days out, I don't even have solid information on what they can or can't look forward to.
 
Understood. I guess I've just never had a problem moving dining reservations or fastpasses to be honest. I don't know how my fiancee does it. She's a wizard at getting last minute fastpasses. Maybe it's because we like to eat at odd hours (earliest breakfast possible, skip lunch, dinner around 3PM-4PM) so those are more likely to be available? v0v. The other thing I am just realizing is that it must be hard traveling with a child who was so looking forward to something, only to tell them a month out that the Dinosaur ride they want to go on isn't going to happen. That must really suck.

Another thing I'm realizing is we typically don't go when there are any parties, so there usually isn't a crazy swing between crowds. Plus we park hop like crazy. Not everyone purchases the hoppers.


I'm looking for ADRs the week before Thanksgiving. Wanna know what I found when I first looked a few weeks ago? Absolutely nothing of the ones I'm seeking. None. Nada. Zilch.

I think anyone trying to find them on their own any more is out of luck. I got one because another DISer was cancelling and was nice enough to post it. I got another with the Touring Plans reservation finder. They messaged me with another one today and I had it up and ready to book within 30 seconds when someone beat me to it.
 

We haven't even told the kids we're going yet because even though I'm 54 days out, I don't even have solid information on what they can or can't look forward to.


For me, the anticipation of a Disney trip has always been as important as the trip itself. That's just not the case any more. It feels more like ducking incoming fire than anticipating a fun time.
 
I'm looking for ADRs the week before Thanksgiving. Wanna know what I found when I first looked a few weeks ago? Absolutely nothing of the ones I'm seeking. None. Nada. Zilch.

I think anyone trying to find them on their own any more is out of luck. I got one because another DISer was cancelling and was nice enough to post it. I got another with the Touring Plans reservation finder. They messaged me with another one today and I had it up and ready to book within 30 seconds when someone beat me to it.

I've never been around Thanksgiving. We were able to change our ADR's rather easily on all our other trips (May 2014, Feb 2015, Feb 2016, and June 2016). I guess I'll chalk it up to the crowds? v0v
 
I've never been around Thanksgiving. We were able to change our ADR's rather easily on all our other trips (May 2014, Feb 2015, Feb 2016, and June 2016). I guess I'll chalk it up to the crowds? v0v

The dates before thanksgiving are dealing with the free dining crowd. I have the same issue, I can't change dining around, there is not much available. For reference these were the free dining dates:
August 23* – October 1, 2016
November 15 – November 21, 2016
November 26 – November 28, 2016
December 10 – December 21, 2016
Sorry this is off topic.

On topic:
There is a #AskAnAmbassador twitter thing going on now, and they aren't really answering anything. Not surprising though.
 
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Maybe that is why they make last minute changes... In my case, we have planned too much... At this point, we wouldn't cancel to be honest... You spend so much time getting invested in the trip, when Disney make last minute announcements you suck it up (for the most part). I think they should try to make major changes known 6 months in advance... but, at the same time... things get delayed, cancelled, re-designed and then that upsets people who booked in anticipation of something specific (something I have learned never to do with Disney).

I hope we have a parade... If not, then we will make the best of it... enjoy our time there... and have one less thing that we have to make sure we have time for.... 

This. Remember when everyone went ballistic to find out their food courts would be closed during Free Dining, too late to change their reservation, remember when fridges were being pulled from resorts and guests didn't find out until a couple weeks before and when they got to their rooms after placing grocery orders, how about all the big construction projects on pools that basically tank many guests vacations unable to move to another resort ... they are never going to give a big enough heads up on issues that may cause you to cancel until past the date of no return. They are covered on everything by their fine print.

In our case, yes it's a one and done with the kids. Nothing against WDW but there's an entire world out there we want the kids to experience.

I understand your "plans A-D" scenario, which is fine, but at this point I have the A-D scenario literally every day of our trip. We haven't even told the kids we're going yet because even though I'm 54 days out, I don't even have solid information on what they can or can't look forward to.

In all fairness, this was not so much a problem years ago. The greatly increased attendance the last several years has made ADRs very important, the new FP+ system has added a new level of planning but at least it's only 60/30 days and I feel like not until the last year or so has Disney been so last minute on attractions, hours etc but I think it's the result of way too many things on it's plate and more than a few decisions up in the air for too long. Add the FAILS of delayed openings and non-openings (ROL) - I expect future announcements to come more and more at the last minute to avoid more fails.
 
Do we know that the performers aren't already preparing for this? Maybe, the performers from DL were given the option to move to Florida with the show and then they are back filling the show with performers from Florida.

Maybe the drivers are coming with the floats to show the new drivers how to operate them... Maybe it is a whole new parade (haha... not a chance)... I assume if the performers knew about this it would already be out... I just don't want to give up hope that there will be a parade for us to watch when we go for our Disneymoon in late Sept.

Not that I know 100-percent, but bringing non-equity performers from one coast to another to open a parade would be highly unlikely. Disney would be on the hook for things like relocation, etc., and the union that protects the entertainment in Florida would have a field day.

I still have a couple of friends in entertainment at MK and none of them have mentioned PTN. They've barely started rehearsals for the Halloween parade, though I think casting for Christmas parade/shows should be in the next few days.

As for drivers, back in the day you used to be trained at certain levels (small to big), and then they would assign you to train for the level you were approved in. For drivers, it's also more than just learning about how to drive the floats to speed and pacing, around the parade route. Most of the larger-size drivers, that's ALL they do. They spend their day in PAC cleaning the floats, replacing lights, touching up paint, etc. And then they drive the floats, put them away at night, and start it all over the next day.

There are also specialists like coordinators that are out along the parade route to help guide floats and performers, communicate with sound and other production elements, work with safety workers, etc. - none of that can just transfer from DL to WDW because the parade route is different.

Then there is staging - these are the people that basically serve as choreographers and sometimes "swings". They have to know EVERY role in every production, inside and out. They teach all the performers cast in those roles the routines, and then provide notes and the end of every performance. They can also step into a major role that is parade-critical ... you know, those roles that the parade will be canceled if they don't have a performer to fill the role. These people are also protected by the union.

When I worked at MK in parades back when we were making the switch from Spectro to MSEP, it was about eight weeks from casting to opening night (not during holiday season). Now, obviously things have changed since then, but not drastically as I still talk to parade friends regularly.

Festival of Fantasy did a media preview in February to show off floats and costumes, but the parade didn't premiere until almost a month later. Just as an idea of timeframes from content release to performance. And then there's the Rivers of Light factor ...

Anyway. Hope this helps!
 
It has more to do with scheduling park days. Do you go on a party day for lighter crowds? No, wait, we don't want to miss the night parade. So schedule a busier day so you can see the night entertainment. Fit everything else around that plan. Then you find out there's no parade and you would have been better off visiting on a party day for lower crowds? Change plans? What about your ADRs? They're all taken. You can maybe move FPs around, but some you can't, and certainly not at the same times.
But why stress out changing plans? You started out with the premise that it was worth putting up with the theoretically higher crowds just for an 18 minute parade. Presumably you weren't going to sit on the curb all day waiting for the parade; you were going to enjoy the park.

But without the parade, you're still able to enjoy the park. You'll have a bit more time due to the lack of the parade, which will help offset the theoretically higher crowds. Of course, without the parade, the crowds might not be so high. And even if they are, it's not the end of the world. Stick with the existing plans and have fun.
 
But why stress out changing plans? You started out with the premise that it was worth putting up with the theoretically higher crowds just for an 18 minute parade. Presumably you weren't going to sit on the curb all day waiting for the parade; you were going to enjoy the park.

But without the parade, you're still able to enjoy the park. You'll have a bit more time due to the lack of the parade, which will help offset the theoretically higher crowds. Of course, without the parade, the crowds might not be so high. And even if they are, it's not the end of the world. Stick with the existing plans and have fun.


We all have different things we enjoy about our trips. For me, photographing shows and parades is very high on the list, especially night parades.

If I don't have a parade to enjoy, I at least want to choose a less busy party day so I get less crowds all day.

The bottom line is that I should get the opportunity to decide what's important to me and plan accordingly. If Disney wants to make last minute changes, they should change ADRs and FPs to 30 days out.
 
Understood. I guess I've just never had a problem moving dining reservations or fastpasses to be honest. I don't know how my fiancee does it. She's a wizard at getting last minute fastpasses. Maybe it's because we like to eat at odd hours (earliest breakfast possible, skip lunch, dinner around 3PM-4PM) so those are more likely to be available? v0v. The other thing I am just realizing is that it must be hard traveling with a child who was so looking forward to something, only to tell them a month out that the Dinosaur ride they want to go on isn't going to happen. That must really suck.

Another thing I'm realizing is we typically don't go when there are any parties, so there usually isn't a crazy swing between crowds. Plus we park hop like crazy. Not everyone purchases the hoppers.

The parties can really muck things up in the fall. Not really because of crowds, IMO, but because of the severely reduced hours at Magic Kingdom. If you want to see the nighttime entertainment at MK, you're usually limited to two nights a week, unless you're there longer than 6 nights. We've recently done Christmas and Halloween, and aren't fans of party season.
 
The bottom line is that I should get the opportunity to decide what's important to me and plan accordingly. If Disney wants to make last minute changes, they should change ADRs and FPs to 30 days out.

While this is off topic I agree that the ADR/FP Windows need to be curtailed. I think ADR's should be on a 60/30 window like FP currently is and FP should be on a 30/15 window.
 
The parties can really muck things up in the fall. Not really because of crowds, IMO, but because of the severely reduced hours at Magic Kingdom. If you want to see the nighttime entertainment at MK, you're usually limited to two nights a week, unless you're there longer than 6 nights. We've recently done Christmas and Halloween, and aren't fans of party season.


I actually like traveling during party season. It makes it so much easier to choose a low crowd day in the MK.
 
I actually like traveling during party season. It makes it so much easier to choose a low crowd day in the MK.
THIS. And I wonder what a missing night time parade will do to the crowds. When there is a full evening of entertainment on non-party days (parade and fireworks) it means a large percentage of people will try to visit MK on those days to get the full-day experience. But would having just the fireworks cause even a moderate percentage of people to go on a party day instead?

Maybe Disney sees this as a indirect way to spread the MK crowds more evenly during party season?
 
Sorry if I missed this but I just saw a post on FB saying the last night of MSEP is Oct 9..the cast of the parade was told tonight and that we should hear an announcement tonight. Anyone know anything?
 
Rumors are all over place for this. I have sources saying PTN isn't coming. I have sources saying the two parades are switching places. I now have two new sources saying MSEP will end at WDW on October 9th. This is all very fluid and it seems nobody knows what is going on.
 
Yeah a few Twitter users are now reporting an Oct. 9 closure. Honestly hearing lots of conflicting reports from a variety of people, both in and outside of the company. Lots of people just simply don't know anything about what's happening. Doesn't appear like we'll be seeing an announcement today though.
 
Yeah a few Twitter users are now reporting an Oct. 9 closure. Honestly hearing lots of conflicting reports from a variety of people, both in and outside of the company. Lots of people just simply don't know anything about what's happening. Doesn't appear like we'll be seeing an announcement today though.

Rumors are all over place for this. I have sources saying PTN isn't coming. I have sources saying the two parades are switching places. I now have two new sources saying MSEP will end at WDW on October 9th. This is all very fluid and it seems nobody knows what is going on.

Lol it appears we've both found ourselves in the same predicament.
 













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