Rumor: Hogwarts Express and Gringrotts Coaster plans leaked


I'm disappointed by this news for two reasons ... 1) Would have to get a park hopper pass to visit the new area, which stinks b/c when we go to Universal, it's really only for Seuss Landing and WWOHP. 2) Too much of the same. WWOHP is very cool and authentic looking but once you've been to the shops, you've been to the shops. Couldn't believe they opened it with only two new rides in the first place. And the existing street has wizarding shops so why build even more on the other side of the train? They should have made a ride out of the train in the first place and done some Disney-esque magic with the invisible boarding platform. Tsk, tsk, Universal. Still, I'll surely want to see it just as I wanted to see the original, but I suspect it will be a one day trip not to be repeated. Oh and the roller coaster - making a roller coaster out of the bank is as much a given as the doors in Monster's Inc., but to make it similar to the castle ride seems like a bad idea to me. I think the coaster should be individual cars on rails without any big hills but very fast - kind of similar in style to a mountain coaster (alpine slide-roller coaster hybrid), perhaps with some sharp turns a la a wild mouse. Oh well.
 
I'm disappointed by this news for two reasons ... 1) Would have to get a park hopper pass to visit the new area, which stinks b/c when we go to Universal, it's really only for Seuss Landing and WWOHP. 2) Too much of the same. WWOHP is very cool and authentic looking but once you've been to the shops, you've been to the shops. Couldn't believe they opened it with only two new rides in the first place. And the existing street has wizarding shops so why build even more on the other side of the train? They should have made a ride out of the train in the first place and done some Disney-esque magic with the invisible boarding platform. Tsk, tsk, Universal. Still, I'll surely want to see it just as I wanted to see the original, but I suspect it will be a one day trip not to be repeated. Oh and the roller coaster - making a roller coaster out of the bank is as much a given as the doors in Monster's Inc., but to make it similar to the castle ride seems like a bad idea to me. I think the coaster should be individual cars on rails without any big hills but very fast - kind of similar in style to a mountain coaster (alpine slide-roller coaster hybrid), perhaps with some sharp turns a la a wild mouse. Oh well.

its going to be individual cars on rails similar to mummy....this will be dark ride than coaster..it will also be the most tech advanced ride in the world
 
glamdring269 said:
I've never been to Universal. It seems to me that if I'm going to Orlando that I need to go to WDW. But the more I look into Universal the more I'm starting to think that I'm probably doing it wrong. I should be doing a split stay, not between multiple Disney resorts, but between a Disney resort and a Universal one.

And THIS sentiment...if it catches on en masse...is exactly where Disney would be vulnerable and what would be the catalyst for them to change their ways...

But we're not there yet. The numbers still put universals market share as significant but not a major threat at this point.

I'm sure they are watching more attentively though...
 
its going to be individual cars on rails similar to mummy....this will be dark ride than coaster..it will also be the most tech advanced ride in the world

That's not how the article read - it said 12-person. It also mentioned a similar track to the other HP ride. That suggests robotic arms and perhaps more big screens so I'm a bit confused by it. Your description sounds much better as I loved The Mummy the one time I was at Universal Studios. Have been to US once and IOA three times. Great parks but I won't go back til they finish the HP expansion. BTW, I think Poseidon's Fury is the best attraction at Universal (at least the first time through anyway - cool surprises). :)
 

That's not how the article read - it said 12-person. It also mentioned a similar track to the other HP ride. That suggests robotic arms and perhaps more big screens so I'm a bit confused by it. Your description sounds much better as I loved The Mummy the one time I was at Universal Studios. Have been to US once and IOA three times. Great parks but I won't go back til they finish the HP expansion. BTW, I think Poseidon's Fury is the best attraction at Universal (at least the first time through anyway - cool surprises). :)

sorry you re right it will be 12 person cars...but it will be on a track like mummy..it will use screens as well as physical sets......think of it this way.. its a hybrid of mummy and spider man

there are several sites with a description of the ride im not an insider or anything :)
 
Maybe they can project an image of a brick wall on mist or something, so it appears you walk through it to get on the train. Kinda like on POTC.
 
I'm disappointed by this news for two reasons ... 1) Would have to get a park hopper pass to visit the new area, which stinks b/c when we go to Universal, it's really only for Seuss Landing and WWOHP. 2) Too much of the same. WWOHP is very cool and authentic looking but once you've been to the shops, you've been to the shops. Couldn't believe they opened it with only two new rides in the first place. And the existing street has wizarding shops so why build even more on the other side of the train? They should have made a ride out of the train in the first place and done some Disney-esque magic with the invisible boarding platform. Tsk, tsk, Universal. Still, I'll surely want to see it just as I wanted to see the original, but I suspect it will be a one day trip not to be repeated. Oh and the roller coaster - making a roller coaster out of the bank is as much a given as the doors in Monster's Inc., but to make it similar to the castle ride seems like a bad idea to me. I think the coaster should be individual cars on rails without any big hills but very fast - kind of similar in style to a mountain coaster (alpine slide-roller coaster hybrid), perhaps with some sharp turns a la a wild mouse. Oh well.

The hogwarts express train is considered an e ticket ride in and of itself with plent of "magic" in the que and the ride. It's really way more than just transportation between areas. Also the whole new area will be bigger, better, and more interactive than the other area. It will have walk through shop/attractions. Authentic shops etc. I don't think it's too much of the same at all. But to each their own
 
The hogwarts express train is considered an e ticket ride in and of itself with plent of "magic" in the que and the ride. It's really way more than just transportation between areas. Also the whole new area will be bigger, better, and more interactive than the other area. It will have walk through shop/attractions. Authentic shops etc. I don't think it's too much of the same at all. But to each their own

Yea actually most everyone I know that goes thinks 2 things, 1) its currently to small overall 2) its currently way too crowded. So adding more of anything and everything makes a lot of sense IMO.
 
I've heard that what people think is a Harry Potter expansion is actually a Lord of the Rings land in disguise


But that is coming from someone who recently took a vacation to Orlando and probably spoke to a bus driver. Lol.
 
I've heard that what people think is a Harry Potter expansion is actually a Lord of the Rings land in disguise

But that is coming from someone who recently took a vacation to Orlando and probably spoke to a bus driver. Lol.

Lol yeah that isn't correct
 
The hogwarts express train is considered an e ticket ride in and of itself with plent of "magic" in the que and the ride. It's really way more than just transportation between areas. Also the whole new area will be bigger, better, and more interactive than the other area. It will have walk through shop/attractions. Authentic shops etc. I don't think it's too much of the same at all. But to each their own

I'm glad they're planning to make the Hogwarts Express interactive. I think they should've done that from the start. I'm not against the idea of more cool shops; I just think they need more Harry Potter rides/experiences. For me, shops are a one-time thing. I don't keep revisiting the same shops on multiple trips. Rides/experiences are worth returning to though. And I thought the original streetscape was intended to be Diagon Alley because they sell the wands and owls, etc. there. Maybe I'm not remembering the movie well enough. Anyhoo, any expansion is good expansion but I'd like to see them focus more on attractions than shops. Of course, from the financial perspective, I can see why they're doing it. And as for the coaster ... I still think 12-person cars are too many for that ride. I also don't like the idea of the screens. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this but it's because I am very prone to motion sickness. That's why we haven't returned to US - too many motion attractions for us. I could never do Spiderman. I did the HP ride and had my eyes open for probably less than a minute in total. LOL What I saw of it (the reality part rather than the screens) was very cool and I'm glad I did it once, but I won't do it again. My Dad and hubby both got sick on that ride, and someone puked right before we got on the last time we were there. :( And the Simpsons ... :scared1: WHOAAA!!! I saw about 10 seconds of that ride then closed tight for the rest. It was BRUTAL! Oh how I hate the VR trend.
 
I'm glad they're planning to make the Hogwarts Express interactive. I think they should've done that from the start. I'm not against the idea of more cool shops; I just think they need more Harry Potter rides/experiences. For me, shops are a one-time thing. I don't keep revisiting the same shops on multiple trips. Rides/experiences are worth returning to though. And I thought the original streetscape was intended to be Diagon Alley because they sell the wands and owls, etc. there. Maybe I'm not remembering the movie well enough. Anyhoo, any expansion is good expansion but I'd like to see them focus more on attractions than shops. Of course, from the financial perspective, I can see why they're doing it. And as for the coaster ... I still think 12-person cars are too many for that ride. I also don't like the idea of the screens. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this but it's because I am very prone to motion sickness. That's why we haven't returned to US - too many motion attractions for us. I could never do Spiderman. I did the HP ride and had my eyes open for probably less than a minute in total. LOL What I saw of it (the reality part rather than the screens) was very cool and I'm glad I did it once, but I won't do it again. My Dad and hubby both got sick on that ride, and someone puked right before we got on the last time we were there. :( And the Simpsons ... :scared1: WHOAAA!!! I saw about 10 seconds of that ride then closed tight for the rest. It was BRUTAL! Oh how I hate the VR trend.

My thought process is compare it, would you rather have amity or this. And I'd rather have this. But I'm not a person who gets motion sickness.
 
To some extent. My understanding is Universal is doing construction 24/7 (maybe not literally). Disney has no reason to push. Universal closed an entire section. It's probably takes more time when you're doing construction near guest areas.

For the rumored Harry Potter Expansion... Yes... They closed the entire section of the park. However.....

In the span of less than 15months Universal filed permits, Tore down a building, built a new much larger building, and will have opened a brand new E Ticket style attraction (admittedly a California Clone) that is in a space not much larger than a city block that is completely surrounded on all 4 sides by guest areas.

This of course started during a busy summer season after they had just opened a new attraction in the park which was helping to drive crowds into the Studios park.

Compare that to Disney... Current timelines have construction on the Mine train surrounded by guest areas taking over 15 months since the New Fantasyland soft open started last year. Before the Soft open began, They'd already been working on site prep (retaining walls and excavation) and vertical construction for a couple months.


Universal has proven that a themepark can quickly build a new land and several new attractions within a short timeframe, if you are willing to put the resources into it.

To give an idea on the number of projects going on at once at Universal over the past couple years.... Take Toontown and completely demolish it and build a whole new land from scratch (without using any clones of existing attractions). As part of this land, You are going to build a new interactive attraction that will double as a transportation system from the back of the MK into EPCOT. While You are working on this project (and not doing anything to actually confirm what it is, let alone pat yourself on the back publically for the work you are doing), You then decide to completely raze the Wonders of Life Pavilion in EPCOT and build a new E-Ticket attraction [you can clone something from another Park). Then while you are putting the finishing touches on your old Wonders of Life pavilion attraction, Go over to MGM and flesh out the area around Star Tours. You can remove the facade of the American Idol theater and backstage warehouse restaurant and start working to retheme the existing areas with new star wars themed shops and restaurants to create a much nicer looking cohesive theme for the area.

Oh! and while doing all this, You can also have opened a new refurb of Dinosaur at Animal Kingdom to give it a new preshow and experience (while keeping many of the structural ride systems in place), and completely redo Illuminations to have a new lagoon show.


Now... instead of doing all that spread out among 4 parks.... do everything in 1 park.



And THIS sentiment...if it catches on en masse...is exactly where Disney would be vulnerable and what would be the catalyst for them to change their ways...

But we're not there yet. The numbers still put universals market share as significant but not a major threat at this point.

I'm sure they are watching more attentively though...

Honestly I'm curious to see what the numbers will look like after Potter Phase 2 and the new Universal "Value" resort opens (which is much more like a Disney Moderate in it's perks and feel.... but at a Disney Value price). Phase 1 made everyone look at the Universal parks anew, but most of the growth was just at the 1 park with little spillover since the other park was still someone dated. With Phase 2 and everything else they've done recently at the studios park over the past couple years, I'm interested to see how the total growth at the resort will be impacted. Right now it's hard for some people to justify the 2 day or 2 park passes.... but with major draws in both parks, I COULD easily see the jump from a 2 day 2 park ticket to 3 or 4 days being much easier to people to justify.


And add in the new onsite resort with it's size and pricepoint, if it's anything like the comparison between the Universal Deluxe's and Disney Deluxes, it's quite possible that Disnye will start to see more defections to the "darkside" than just people going on a day trip to check out "the harry potter park".



sorry you re right it will be 12 person cars...but it will be on a track like mummy..it will use screens as well as physical sets......think of it this way.. its a hybrid of mummy and spider man

there are several sites with a description of the ride im not an insider or anything :)

FWIW... Mummy uses screens too. Just look at the Scarabs scene and the car rotation room. The issue won't necessarily be with the screens, It's how will they be used and how big a part of the overall experience are they.

I'm glad they're planning to make the Hogwarts Express interactive. I think they should've done that from the start. I'm not against the idea of more cool shops; I just think they need more Harry Potter rides/experiences. For me, shops are a one-time thing. I don't keep revisiting the same shops on multiple trips. Rides/experiences are worth returning to though. And I thought the original streetscape was intended to be Diagon Alley because they sell the wands and owls, etc. there. Maybe I'm not remembering the movie well enough. Anyhoo, any expansion is good expansion but I'd like to see them focus more on attractions than shops. Of course, from the financial perspective, I can see why they're doing it. And as for the coaster ... I still think 12-person cars are too many for that ride. I also don't like the idea of the screens. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this but it's because I am very prone to motion sickness. That's why we haven't returned to US - too many motion attractions for us. I could never do Spiderman. I did the HP ride and had my eyes open for probably less than a minute in total. LOL What I saw of it (the reality part rather than the screens) was very cool and I'm glad I did it once, but I won't do it again. My Dad and hubby both got sick on that ride, and someone puked right before we got on the last time we were there. :( And the Simpsons ... :scared1: WHOAAA!!! I saw about 10 seconds of that ride then closed tight for the rest. It was BRUTAL! Oh how I hate the VR trend.

12 person cars aren't necessarily that big. Mummy I believe is actually a 16 person car and doesn't seem that big. (4 rows of 4 people).
 
Originally Posted by Lewisc View Post
Isn't Disney going to hide some RID readers near the entrance to the Universal Parks? Disney guests who go to Universal will have their FP+ and hard to get dining ADRs canceled.

If they did, it would be funny that as soon as you step into USR they send you a message saying you have been awarded a 7:00 pm reservation at Cinderellas Royal Table!!! Come back to Disney World !!!
 
I've never been to Universal. It seems to me that if I'm going to Orlando that I need to go to WDW. But the more I look into Universal the more I'm starting to think that I'm probably doing it wrong. I should be doing a split stay, not between multiple Disney resorts, but between a Disney resort and a Universal one.

If you ever decide to do a split trip, remember WDW first. Universal is so easy when staying onsite- no running around like a crazy chicken to get fast passes. You leave Orlando relaxed.


If they did, it would be funny that as soon as you step into USR they send you a message saying you have been awarded a 7:00 pm reservation at Cinderellas Royal Table!!! Come back to Disney World !!!

LOL, Disney would love to do this and some people would probably run back to WDW. I'd pass.
 
This sounds cool, however it seems as if this could become a huge problem. Guests will likely try to sneak into the other park, and how does staff keep track of whos who?

From what I remember hearing, WDW and Universal were both trying to secure the rights to HP. I think JK Rowling was negotiating with Disney but she wanted control over what was done with the rights so she went to Universal.

I remember it being a sticking point that she didn't want any real characters portrayed. You'll see non-descript representations of Hogwarts students etc. but no name characters.

Someone told me that Disney only wanted to a HP ride, while Universal wanted to do a Land.

But I could be wrong.
 












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