Ruling in Dover ID Case

[Horizons16]

You may want to look up the definition of "atheist"

Oh Im sorry I didnt see that you had listed that there.

 

[FencerMcNally]

See, but that is in essence what evolution is to many people: religious theory. Evolution IS their religion.

People may hold to Evolution with religious fervor (emphasis on religious, an adjective) but it is not their Religion. And, even if it were, there is a great deal more rational, logical justification for believing in Evolution than believing in the possibility of a man who is both completely human and completely divine rising from the dead.

 

[JCJRSmith]

See, but that is in essence what evolution is to many people: religious theory. Evolution IS their religion.

re·li·gion (n.)

Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.


sci·ence (n.)

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
Such activities restricted to explaining a limitied class of natural phenomena.
Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.

 

[JCJRSmith]

Oh Im sorry I didnt see that you had listed that there.

Ah, maybe I should have put a "for example" in there for ya. Would that have helped?

 

[2funny2c]

I reiterate:

2funny2c, perhaps you should stop addressing things about which you know nothing.

You seem to have absolutely no idea what a theory is. I suggest you refer to your nearest dictionary for the definition of a scientific theory.

We have other theories besides Evolution, some with more evidence to support them, some with less.

How about the Theory of Gravity? You do believe in Gravity, don't you?
How about the Theory of Relativity? You do believe in the atomic bomb, don't you?

Yes, and there have been theories that were widely held and have since been proven false

 

[Horizons16]

Atheism is not a religion...

what exactlly was your point

 

[2funny2c]

re·li·gion (n.)

Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.


sci·ence (n.)

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
Such activities restricted to explaining a limitied class of natural phenomena.
Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.

Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

 

[FencerMcNally]

Yes, and there have been theories that were widely held and have since been proven false

This is true, we don't believe in phlegethons (sp?) anymore, do we?

In the history of science, though, almost all of the theories you are referring to were theories made before the kind of rigorous scientific method and experimentation that began circa 1700 (someone who is more conversant with dates please correct me). Scientists began to debunk the long-standing theories of Ptolemy and Aristotle. Men who did not have the kind of technology to test their hypotheses. The Theory of Evolution, on the other hand, has been tested over and over, and has been constantly refined and redefined over the past couple of centuries. There have been no good, testable, repeatable experiments that have proven Evolution false.

 

[momof2inPA]

Does Santorum still support intelligent design being taught in public schools? I thought he recently flip-flopped on the issue and came out against it. It's funny to think the supporters of teaching ID are just to the right of that wacko.

 

[2funny2c]

This is true, we don't believe in phlegethons (sp?) anymore, do we?

In the history of science, though, almost all of the theories you are referring to were theories made before the kind of rigorous scientific method and experimentation that began circa 1800 (someone who is more conversant with dates please correct me). Scientists began to debunk the long-standing theories of Ptolemy and Aristotle. Men who did not have the kind of technology to test their hypotheses. The Theory of Evolution, on the other hand, has been tested over and over, and has been constantly refined and redefined over the past couple of centuries. There have been no good, testable, repeatable experiments that have proven Evolution false.

So you are claiming that there have been no scientific theories disproven in the last 50-100 years? Would you take that a step forward and say that the current scientific theories will hold up through the further advances in technology and knowledge in the next 50-100 years? Darwin's theories are not centuries old.

 

[Chuck S]

So, rather than teach a "theory" that has some scientific basis, we should teach "theories" based on religious belief systems? Maybe we should also teach the Galactica Theory, it surely is as scientifically accurate as Creationism/ID.

There are those who believe that life here began out there...we are the lost 13th colony. All hail the Lords of Kobol, protect us from the Cylons

 

[2funny2c]

There are those who believe that life here began out there...we are the lost 13th colony. All hail the Lords of Kobol, protect us from the Cylons

Sounds about as plausible as we all came from single celled organisms and the apes. And takes about as much faith to believe since evolution cant fill in the gaps.

 

[scubamouse]

FWIW - evolution exhibits are ubquitous in Epcot ... which is also the land of the Candlelight Processional. you want science, go to one, you want religion, go to the other.

it's a thread hijack but the irony of people getting worked up over ID in the same place where you hear about dinosaurs millions of years ago was not lost on me last week.

carry on

 

[Horizons16]

Sounds about as plausible as we all came from single celled organisms and the apes. And takes about as much faith to believe since evolution cant fill in the gaps.

God created man in the image of himself
in the image of God he created him
male and femal he created them.

Thats much more plausible???????

 

[2funny2c]

God created man in the image of himself
in the image of God he created him
male and femal he created them.

Thats much more plausible???????

Yes, it is. The more science learns about the complexity of the body and its cell and DNA structure it is becoming increasing more evident that the human body did not get that way by some random process and thus had to have a designer. When you look at a house, dont you think their was an architect. When you look at the lightbulb dont you think there was a designer or inventor. Why is it so illogical to think that the human body had to be designed by a creator?

 

[FencerMcNally]

So you are claiming that there have been no scientific theories disproven in the last 50-100 years? Would you take that a step forward and say that the current scientific theories will hold up through the further advances in technology and knowledge in the next 50-100 years? Darwin's theories are not centuries old.

On the Origin of the Species was published in 1859, so it's at least about a century and a half old. Way to split hairs.

Can you give me a scientific theory advanced in the last 50-100 years that has been completely disproven? And, I mean completely disproven. There have been plenty of theories that have been refined. E.G. Newtonian Mechanics leads to Quantum Mechanics etc.

 

[LeCras]

The more science learns about the complexity of the body and its cell and DNA structure it is becoming increasing more evident that the human body did not get that way by some random process and thus had to have a designer.

Wow.

I really wasn't going to get involved in this (was happy lurking with my popcorn) but could you please produce at least one scientific study that acknowledges this...this...theory ??

Charlotte

 

[Chuck S]

Yes, it is. The more science learns about the complexity of the body and its cell and DNA structure it is becoming increasing more evident that the human body did not get that way by some random process and thus had to have a designer. When you look at a house, dont you think their was an architect. When you look at the lightbulb dont you think there was a designer or inventor. Why is it so illogical to think that the human body had to be designed by a creator?

But, why is it so wrong to teach Evolution in science class? Christianity and evolution are not necessarily exclusive of one another. Schools could teach the science behind evolution, religion could assume that evolution is the method in which "the Creator" shaped the clay, if you MUST put a religious spin on it, it should be taught in churches, synagogues or other religious institutions. Public school is not a religious institution, nor (IMO) should it be.

 

[Horizons16]

Those are inanimate objects... how could they evolve?

 

[2funny2c]

On the Origin of the Species was published in 1859, so it's at least about a century and a half old. Way to split hairs.

Can you give me a scientific theory advanced in the last 50-100 years that has been completely disproven? And, I mean completely disproven. There have been plenty of theories that have been refined. E.G. Newtonian Mechanics leads to Quantum Mechanics etc.

Not trying to split hairs but when you say that evolution has been tested over the centuries it paints an inaccurate picture.

I will do some more research on the theories but I can think off the top of my head one theory that has recently come under scrunity: Global warming is a theory that is under fire now. Then you have what many consider "junk" science that is constantly being proven false. But I will look and see about some more establised theories and get back to you on that.