Roman Polanski.............

[Briarmom]

I see I was NOT mistaken about Whoopie. Clear as a bell.

Yes you were. She's talking to the person behind the scenes.

 

[Aisling]

I watched the clip. It was quite clear whoopie was trying to clarify what he was CHARGED with. She made several comments about wanting to state the facts and not let their personal opinions on it have them not be clear about the actual charge.

I would hate to be a celebrity and have all my quotes taken out of context. She was trying to say that it wasn't a straight rape charge.

I'm hearing it differently. I have to say I was surprised that she would say that on public tv, for the world to criticize her, if she did indeed mean what I think she means.

 

[lillygator]

I don't see the outrage. It happened 32 years ago, the "girl" is now 45 years old and received an undisclosed settlement amount at the time. I believe I read an article a few days ago when this story broke where even she says "for heavens sake, just drop it!!"

It's obvious that Roman Polanski hasn't been out there raping other girls or the news would have surfaced by now. He obviously isn't a danger to society and the only ones screaming for blood are the ones who are typically screaming for blood no matter who's face is on the front of the paper.

This case should be closed and the resources that are being wasted trying to "get" Roman Polanski should put to better use.

wow first the Atkins thread now this.....so should this be across the board for old murder charges, etc?

 

[JR6ooo4]

Wait, Whoopi is a pedophile??

In as much as watching a crime and not reporting it makes you involved...

So does supporting someone who commits a crime.

At least in my opinion the two people are one in the same.

Mikeeee

 

[allison443]

I watched the clip. It was quite clear whoopie was trying to clarify what he was CHARGED with. She made several comments about wanting to state the facts and not let their personal opinions on it have them not be clear about the actual charge.

I would hate to be a celebrity and have all my quotes taken out of context. She was trying to say that it wasn't a straight rape charge.

What is a "straight rape charge"?

Well, if Whoopi was trying to clarify what he was CHARGED with, she was incorrect. As she pointed out on the next day's show, he was originally indicted on six felony counts: furnishing controlled substance to a minor, perversion, sodomy, committing a lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, and rape by use of drugs.

I guess none of these qualify as "rape-rape" to Whoopi?

Here is a link to Whoopi's follow up statements on a subsequent episode of The View:

http://jezebel.com/5371103/whoopi-clarifies-polanski-comments

I realize he later pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, but she made a big thing about getting your facts straight on what he was CHARGED with. The fact is, he was CHARGED with rape. But apparently she doesn't consider it rape-rape.

 

[AndyLL]

So if RP was tried, convicted (well plead guilty to a lesser charge) and given credit for time served, why is he being extredited back here to the US?

Sure I think his sentence was way to short but he can't be tried for the same crime again can he?

Maybe because that is not what happened?

The judge never accepted the plea deal. Polanski ran because the judge indicated his wasn't going to accept the sentencing the DA and defense agree upon.

That is a judges right. (for any reason) When that happens the defendant has the right to back out of the plea deal and go to trail.

The defendant does not have the right to flee.

Here is the Grand Jury transcript for those of you believe that bulk posted above that this was just a wild girl taking advantage of Polanski:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

Andy

 

[brerrabbit]

I read the official police report from 1977. It did not happen at a party the way a previous poster said. According to the report after Polanski learned of the girl (I don't know how) he asked her Mother to let him photograph her. She consented and Polanski picked her up and took her to Jack Nicholson's house to take the pictures. He took some pictures asked her to take off her top which she did, he took more pictures and asked to take off all her clothes which she did, he asked her to get in a hot tub in a bathroom attached to one of the bedrooms and she did. He took more pictures then got undressed and got in the hot tub with her. He then made sexual advances and she said no. He then said okay go in the bedroom and lay down and relax. She said she wanted to go home. He said I will tkae you home later. He then perform oral sxx on her to which she said stop, he then had intercourse with her where she again said no. At that point Nicholson's then girlfriend Angelica Houstan knocked on the door and Polanski anwered it and said everything was fine. The girl put on her underwear and asked to leave. Her returned to the bed undressed her again and sodomized her. He gave her champange from the start and somewhere along the way gave her half a qualude. He definitely raped her.

He then cut a plea deal when the then prosecuter in LA to plea to sex with a minor and let the 42 days served be his sentence. Before his official sentencing the prosicutor had inapproprite contact with the judge to show pictures of the girl and the judge then decided he was going to through out the plea deal and sentence him to a longer term. That is when Polanski fled the country.

So the real deal is he was never sentenced and has been a fugitive felon every since.

You might not agree with him getting off with 42 days, and you may agree with it. The point is he was never sentenced and therefore the reason for the confusion about what he is charged with.

The bottom line is what he did was sick, period. Average Joe does the same thing and he is in San Quinton for 30 years, but since it was a foriegn national with money and friends he fleas and lives the rest of his life untouched.

I have never seen one of his movies and never will. I will not support a fugitive rapist. This is a case that no person is or should be above the law. He needs to be returned to the US sentenced for the original charges and tried for running.

Let the politicians, and the famous actors sign all the petitions they want, if you want equality, civil rights for all and the end of racism, then you must conceed that all people regardless of finacial, racial, social or political status must be treated equally. Till then everything that all these people say including Whoopi is just a bunch of hot air and they do not in any way shape or form agree with the principle of equality for all.

 

[allison443]

So if RP was tried, convicted (well plead guilty to a lesser charge) and given credit for time served, why is he being extredited back here to the US?

Sure I think his sentence was way to short but he can't be tried for the same crime again can he?

Polanski was indicted on six felony charges. He was sent to prison for 42 days and psychologically evaluated, etc. His lawyers worked out a plea deal with the prosecutors where he pleaded guilty to one lesser charge and the others would be dismissed, and the prosecutors would recommend a sentence of time served (the 42 days). After he pleaded guilty, but before sentencing, he got wind that the judge would not give the recommended sentence but might sentence him to 48 more days in prison. He could have withdrawn his guilty plea and gone to trial. However, at that point Polanski left the US and hasn't returned. He was never sentenced in the original case so it's still pending.
Earlier this year, his attorneys went to court to try to get everything dismissed. Their motion was denied.

 

[BriarfoxinWA]

Polanski was indicted on six felony charges. He was sent to prison for 42 days and psychologically evaluated, etc. His lawyers worked out a plea deal with the prosecutors where he pleaded guilty to one lesser charge and the others would be dismissed, and the prosecutors would recommend a sentence of time served (the 42 days). After he pleaded guilty, but before sentencing, he got wind that the judge would not give the recommended sentence but might sentence him to 48 more days in prison. He could have withdrawn his guilty plea and gone to trial. However, at that point Polanski left the US and hasn't returned. He was never sentenced in the original case so it's still pending.
Earlier this year, his attorneys went to court to try to get everything dismissed. Their motion was denied.

Ok that makes sense. I thought that he had been sentenced and then the judge changed his mind. Sounds like he needs to come back and face the music. I do feel bad for the victim. It seems she would like this whole situation to just go away.

 

[allison443]

Ok that makes sense. I thought that he had been sentenced and then the judge changed his mind. Sounds like he needs to come back and face the music. I do feel bad for the victim. It seems she would like this whole situation to just go away.

Yes, I agree, it probably would have been better for the victim if this had been resolved 32 years ago, instead of Polanski fleeing and dragging this out.

 

[LaraK]

This man is a disgusting pig and anyone defending him really has their priorities screwed up. He drugged and raped a child. I don't understand how anyone who supports raping children can look themselves in the mirror. Is he someone we should let off because he's a celebrity or because he didn't keep her in a shack for 18 years. RAPE is rape.

 

[ericamanda01]

This man is a disgusting pig and anyone defending him really has their priorities screwed up. He drugged and raped a child. I don't understand how anyone who supports raping children can look themselves in the mirror. Is he someone we should let off because he's a celebrity or because he didn't keep her in a shack for 18 years. RAPE is rape.

I couldn't have said it better! He raped a 13 year old girl and was given a matter of days to serve and the fear that he might get a little more than a month more made him run? HE IS A CHILD MOLESTER AND RAPIST! He needs to face the music.

 

[LisaR]

Here is the Grand Jury transcript for those of you believe that bulk posted above that this was just a wild girl taking advantage of Polanski:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

Andy

Thanks for posting this info. However, even if it was just some wild girl, it still would be rape. Feeding alcohol and drugs to a minor and having sex with a minor is a disgusting crime. Honestly, the details aren't remotely important to me. From what I understand, RP did not deny any of it. He drugged and raped a girl for his own pleasure. Again, I can't think of the correct words to use for that scum on the Dis without being banned for life.

Is there a list of this petition somewhere out there that the celebrities are signing. I would be curious to see which ones support him. I would like to keep them in mind when they come out with a new movie or album.

 

[disykat]

I realize he later pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, but she made a big thing about getting your facts straight on what he was CHARGED with. The fact is, he was CHARGED with rape. But apparently she doesn't consider it rape-rape.

It's like beating a dead horse trying to explain myself. I felt like Whoopi was quite clear on the tape that she wasn't talking about her own opinion and was trying to clarify what the charges were. She didn't KNOW for sure, that's why she was trying to get information from the people backstage over her headset.

I'm not a fan of Whoopi's, but it was clear here what she was doing and she explained it again the next day. In the clips I saw, she didn't enter her personal opinion.

People are so caught up in the words "rape rape" that they weren't listening to what she was trying to say. I abhor when people try to take people's statements out of context and turn them into the bad guy. Suddenly now, people (one poster, anyway) can accuse Whoopie of being a pediphile who supports people who rape children simply because she was admitting to being unclear about the facts and wanting to get them straight for the audience?

Watch the tape again. Try to forget she said the words "rape rape" and actually listen to what she is trying to say.

Now I'm sure there are people that think I'm a pediphile too, so rest assured I think the charges on Polanski should stand and that what he did was rape. I just don't get the whole Whoopie thing.

 

[Aisling]

I read the official police report from 1977. It did not happen at a party the way a previous poster said. According to the report after Polanski learned of the girl (I don't know how) he asked her Mother to let him photograph her......

Wow, that's not at all the way the panel described it on the news program! I wonder where the heck they got their info from, because it's definitely not what you said is in the offficial police report!

Two questions:

1. I really thought Whoopie was saying it wasn't "rape" rape, meaning there was no violence used I think. A few posters said she was talking to someone in her earwire. Help me understand, because I really like Whoopie----wasn't she going back and forth with Sheri where Sheri said any sex with a 13 year old by an adult is rape? Where did the words "not "rape" rape' come from? Who in her ear was talking to her?? If Whoopie was describing the charge, did she say it wasn't "rape" rape because he was charged with unlawful sex with a minor? And if so, why, I wonder, was that the charge, and not plain old rape???

2. I'd presume Polanski knew that Switzerland had the power to extradite him, since he'd been living in nearby France all those years. Wouldn't he educate himself of the "safe" countries?? Why would he go to Switzerland? Doesn't make sense.

 

[BriarfoxinWA]

Edited to show a more complete list. Most are members of the french equivalent of the Screen Actor's Guild. The list is hard to read so I underlined some of the more recognizable names for us in the US.

Polanski petition signatories:
The whole list of SACDs petition:
Erika Abrams, Fatih Akin, Stephane Allagnon, Woody Allen, Pedro Almodovar, Gianni Amelio, Wess Anderson, Roger Andrieux, Jean-Jacques Annaud, Alexandre Arcady, Fanny Ardant, Asia Argento, Darren Aronofsky, Olivier Assayas, Alexander Astruc, Gabriel Auer, Alexandre Babel, Jean-François Balmer, Luc Barnier, Christophe Barratier, Xavier Beauvois, Liria Begeja, Gilles Behat, Jean-Jacques Beineix, Marco Bellochio, Monica Bellucci, Véra Belmont, Djamel Bennecib, Alain Berliner, Pascal Berney, Giuseppe Bertolucci, Lucien Blacher, Catherine Boissière, Thierry Boscheron, Freddy Bossy, Patrick Bouchitey, Cédric Bouchoucha, Paul Boujenah, Katia Boutin (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Jacques Bral, Patrick Braoudé, Guila Braoudé, Anne Burki, André Buytaers, Christian Carion, Henning Carlsen, Jean-michel Carre, Lionel Cassan (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Mathieu Celary, Teco Celio, Christophe Champclaux, Patrice Chéreau, Brigitte Chesneau, Catherine Chouchan, Elie Chouraqui, Souleymane Cissé, Jean- Pierre Clech, Henri Codenie, Robert Cohen, Alain Corneau, Jérôme Cornuau, Guy Courtecuisse (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Miguel Courtois, Morgan Crestel, Dominique Crevecoeur, Alfonso Cuaron, Frédéric Damien, Sophie Danon, Luc et Jean-Pierre Dardenne, Hervé de Luze (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Benoît Delmas, Jonathan Demme, Dante Desarthe, Romain Desbiens, Thomas Desjonquères (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Alexandre Desplat, Rosalinde et Michel Deville, Guillaume D'Ham (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Christelle Didier (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Kathrin DiPaola, Ariel Dorfman, Georges Dybman, Jacques Fansten, Joël Farges, Gianluca Farinelli (Cinémathèque de de Bologne) , Etienne Faure, Michel Ferry, Jean Teddy Filippe (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Martine Fitoussi, Scott Foundas, Stephen Frears, Thierry Frémaux, Sam Gabarski, René Gainville, Matteo Garone, Tony Gatlif, Catherine Gaudin-Montalto, Costa Gavras, Jean-Marc Ghanassia, Terry Gilliam, Christian Gion, Stéphane Gizard, Christophe Goumand, Marc Guidoni, Dimitri Haulet, Buck Henry, David Heyman, Laurent Heynemann, Dominique Hollier, Isabelle Hontebeyrie, Frédéric Horiszny, Robert Hossein, Jean-Loup Hubert, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, Gilles Jacob, Just Jaeckin, Anne Jeandet, Alain Jessua, Arthur Joffé, Pierre Jolivet, Kent Jones (World Cinema Foundation) , Paola Jullian, Roger Kahane, Nelly Kaplan, Wong Kar Waï, Ladislas Kijno, Richard Klebinder, Harmony Korinne, Jan Kounen, Diane Kurys, Emir Kusturica, Jean Labadie, John Landis, Claude Lanzmann, David Lanzmann, André Larquié, Françoise Lassale, Carole Laure, Christine Laurent-Blixen, Emilien Lazaron (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Vinciane Lecocq, Patrice Leconte, Claude Lelouch, Gérard Lenne, Pierre et Renée Lhomme, Marceline Loridan-Ivens, David Lynch, Michael Mann, François Margolin, Jean-Pierre Marois, Tonie Marshall, Mario Martone, Christine Mathis, Nicolas Mauvernay, Christopher, Spencer et Claire Mc Andrew, Allison Michel, Radu Mihaileanu, Jean-Louis Milesi, Claude Miller, Jean-Marc Modeste , Mario Monicelli, Jeanne Moreau, Christian Mvogo Mbarga, Juliette Nicolas-Donnard, Sandra Nicolier, Michel Ocelot, Eric Pape, Abner Pastoll, Alexander Payne, Richard Pena (Directeur Festival de NY) , Olivier Père, Suzana Peric (Membre de l'équipe du dernier film de Roman Polanski "The Ghost"), Jacques Perrin, Thomas Pibarot, Anne Pigeon Bormans, Michele Placido, Sabrina Poidevin, Agnès Catherine Poirier, Harry Prenger, Gilbert Primet, Philippe Radault, Tristan Rain, Jean-Paul Rappeneau, Raphael Rebibo, Jo Reymen, Laurence Reymond, Yasmina Reza, Christiane Rhein, Jacques Richard, Avital Ronell, Laurence Roulet, Marc Saffar, Gabriela Salazar Scherman, Walter Salles, Jean-Paul Salomé, Jean-Frédéric Samie, Marc Sandberg, Jerry Schatzberg, Julian Schnabel, Barbet Schroeder, Pierre Schumacher, Ettore Scola, Luis Gustavo Sconza Zaratin Soares, Martin Scorsese, Frank Segier, Guy Seligmann, Julien Seri, Pierre Silvant, Charlotte Silvera, Abderrahmane Sissako, Paolo Sorrentino, Roch Stephanik, Guillaume Stirn, Jean-Marc Surcin, Tilda Swinton, Jean-Charles Tacchella, Radovan Tadic, Danis Tanovic, Bertrand Tavernier, André Techiné, Cécile Telerman, Alain Terzian, Valentine Theret, Pascal Thomas, Giuseppe Tornatore, Serge Toubiana, Nadine Trintignant, Tom Tykwer, Alexandre Tylski, Jaques Vallotton, Betrand Van Effenterre, Jean-Pierre Vergne, Sarah Vermande, Gilles Walusinski, Wim Wenders, Anaïse Wittmann, Arnaud Xainte, Christian Zeender.

 

[Aisling]

It's interesting that the first guy on that list made a movie about a mother selling her 12 year old son to a 'local pervert'. And the majority of his movies have highly sexual themes. Hmmm.


Also, it looks like most of those names are European/non-American. (I have no idea if they're born-Americans or not.) Maybe it's a cultural thing that we're not used to or believe in??

 

[Ciao Mickey]

I don't see the outrage. It happened 32 years ago, the "girl" is now 45 years old and received an undisclosed settlement amount at the time. I believe I read an article a few days ago when this story broke where even she says "for heavens sake, just drop it!!"

It's obvious that Roman Polanski hasn't been out there raping other girls or the news would have surfaced by now. He obviously isn't a danger to society and the only ones screaming for blood are the ones who are typically screaming for blood no matter who's face is on the front of the paper.

This case should be closed and the resources that are being wasted trying to "get" Roman Polanski should put to better use.

Just because he had the resources to flee the country for all of those years doesn't make him above the law. I hope they nail the ******* and put him in jail where he belongs.

He RAPED a 13 year old girl. That I believe is against the law. You do the crime you do the time no matter how long it takes to bring him to justice.

 

[EMom]

I read the official police report from 1977. It did not happen at a party the way a previous poster said. According to the report after Polanski learned of the girl (I don't know how) he asked her Mother to let him photograph her. She consented and Polanski picked her up and took her to Jack Nicholson's house to take the pictures. He took some pictures asked her to take off her top which she did, he took more pictures and asked to take off all her clothes which she did, he asked her to get in a hot tub in a bathroom attached to one of the bedrooms and she did. He took more pictures then got undressed and got in the hot tub with her. He then made sexual advances and she said no. He then said okay go in the bedroom and lay down and relax. She said she wanted to go home. He said I will tkae you home later. He then perform oral sxx on her to which she said stop, he then had intercourse with her where she again said no. At that point Nicholson's then girlfriend Angelica Houstan knocked on the door and Polanski anwered it and said everything was fine. The girl put on her underwear and asked to leave. Her returned to the bed undressed her again and sodomized her. He gave her champange from the start and somewhere along the way gave her half a qualude. He definitely raped her.

He then cut a plea deal when the then prosecuter in LA to plea to sex with a minor and let the 42 days served be his sentence. Before his official sentencing the prosicutor had inapproprite contact with the judge to show pictures of the girl and the judge then decided he was going to through out the plea deal and sentence him to a longer term. That is when Polanski fled the country.

THIS is much more accurate that the previously posted "party" story. I actually remember when the event happened and it was a serious scandal. (As it should have been.) I have seen this woman give interviews and to say she "is fine with it" is B.S. She is NOT fine with it. She wants it to go away simply because she does not want to have to relive it . She is tired of being referred to as the girl raped by Roman Polanski. She is tired of THAT being her identity. She makes no bones about what happened.....He raped her. She isn't minimizing it. But like a lot of rape victims, she wants to put it behind her. She has 3 children now and doesn't want this dragged through the press again. However, this was a crime and society must hold him accountable.

I have heard her account in her own words and it sickened me. For heaven's sake, have you SEEN her pictures at 13? She LOOKS like a 13 y.o. girl, not some "I thought she was 18" hootchie. Roman Polanski's taste for young teens continued once he went to Europe. He just wasn't prosecuted there.

Aside from what is in the account above, it boils down to this: The girl got the message from Polanski that she would NOT be going home until she had sex with him. He was going to keep her there and not let her go until she gave in to him. She did say "no" over and over. It did her no good. I shudder to think how helpless she felt. He is a pervert, plain and simple. He is a wealthy and talented pervert, however, and some want to give him a pass for that reason. If he'd been a ditch digger, he'd have been in prison long ago.

This morning when I heard of the petition on his behalf, I smarted off that I imagined Woody Allen would be at the top of the list. Sonofagun, there he was..... Birds of a feather, I suppose.

Polanski was afraid the judge would not accept the plea deal (as was his right) and he ran. A poor person could not have lived high on the hog in Europe all these years, thumbing their nose at the American criminal justice system. But he has. He obviously thinks he is above the law. I believe he needs to be taught otherwise.

How ironic that he wanted justice for the murder of his wife and unborn child, but he ran like a coward rather than face his punishment for raping a child. I guess justice only runs one way for his set of friends.

 

[allison443]

It's like beating a dead horse trying to explain myself. I felt like Whoopi was quite clear on the tape that she wasn't talking about her own opinion and was trying to clarify what the charges were. She didn't KNOW for sure, that's why she was trying to get information from the people backstage over her headset.

I'm not a fan of Whoopi's, but it was clear here what she was doing and she explained it again the next day. In the clips I saw, she didn't enter her personal opinion.

People are so caught up in the words "rape rape" that they weren't listening to what she was trying to say. I abhor when people try to take people's statements out of context and turn them into the bad guy. Suddenly now, people (one poster, anyway) can accuse Whoopie of being a pediphile who supports people who rape children simply because she was admitting to being unclear about the facts and wanting to get them straight for the audience?

Watch the tape again. Try to forget she said the words "rape rape" and actually listen to what she is trying to say.

Now I'm sure there are people that think I'm a pediphile too, so rest assured I think the charges on Polanski should stand and that what he did was rape. I just don't get the whole Whoopie thing.

I understand what you are saying, I know she was talking on her headset and she made a big point of saying that she was trying to clarify what he was charged with, how it is so important to have the facts correct when these things are discussed, then she said it was NOT a rape charge (meaning it was only rape because of the victim's age)...however, as she "clarified" the next day, he WAS CHARGED with rape--rape by use of drugs, along with the other five felonies he was charged with. So she stated the facts incorrectly.

Doesn't being charged with "rape by use of drugs" mean he was charged with rape?
If yes, then Whoopi stated the issues incorrectly, because she said he wasn't charged with rape. Since she was going on about how it is important to have the facts correct, she should have stated them correctly. That's all I'm saying.