ROFR Thread April to June 2022 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

[Paul Stupin]

Just FYSA for all those folks looking to purchase Aulani (or stay there), because I found what I read alarming, disturbing, and surprising. We have a visit planned there later this year (first time) and I perused the reviews on some well known travel sites to get an overall feeling. I visited the resort and walked around pre-pandemic and during but never stayed there before.

Boy, oh, boy, are there some negative reviews about Aulani out there. It seems like the resort is not what it was pre-pandemic. A lot of things haven't returned, which is understandable since Hawaii in general was one of the last states to open. However, there are a lot of bad reviews about the quality of the beds, beat up furniture and rooms, customer service, hot/cold water issues, noise, overcrowding (even w/ reduced pandemic crowds), roaches in the pool, the craziness surrounding holding on to pool chairs, nothing for people to do in the evening (everything closes by 8pm), and increasingly high prices for everything.

I bring this up, because I never would have stumbled upon these consistently brought up issues had I not looked at reviews. I'll reserve overall judgment after our stay, but be weary. Apparently Aulani has issues. Perhaps that's why it's just not selling out? Just some food for thought for those looking to purchase a stake. You can look for yourself.

Personally, I wouldn’t spread all this negative hearsay in such great detail if you’ve never experienced it, and I’m questioning the motivation behind a post like this. I feel like there’s an intent here I’m missing. Are you even really going?

For what it’s worth, my wife and I have been twice this last year, during the pandemic, and had a sensational time. The resort is top notch across the board.

Anyway, don’t mean to continue this digression on the ROFR board (sorry Sandi!), but I love Aulani, own there, and don’t feel this criticism is justified in any way, shape or form.

 

[Cyberc1978]

A broker claimed that here some buyers write down lower price and some sellers do vice versa, so don't 100% trust the data in disboards. Why would users do that? For swag? I can't find the reason. My offer was rejected so I just gently (IMO) said the price was higher than what I saw in disboards, so I would look for others. Did I offend the agent? Feel weird either ways.

I think I may have put in lower bids with the same broker. I was told she knows that some of these posts aren’t entirely truthful as she recognized the contract, and it didn’t match up with the reality.

Just based on human nature that some people lie, I would think that may be true for some posts, but I certainly feel that the vast majority are truthful.

Good luck finding the right fit!

Basically it comes down to perception.

Everyone wants to find the best possible deal, of course not everyone can.

Does that mean that some bend the truth about what they are buying - yeah some will because they might think that overpaying for a contract may make them look bad.

In reality paying more for a contract should increase your chances of passing ROFR. As everyone in here knows the DVC ROFR show are full of unknown elements and not two shows are the same.

Also brokers have an interest in claiming that the information here is not accurate as their paychecks are commission based.

 

[Ruttangel]

A broker claimed that here some buyers write down lower price and some sellers do vice versa, so don't 100% trust the data in disboards. Why would users do that? For swag? I can't find the reason. My offer was rejected so I just gently (IMO) said the price was higher than what I saw in disboards, so I would look for others. Did I offend the agent? Feel weird either ways.

The only data you can trust is the recorded deeds which let you work out a price per point. It is a shame if people want to trick others on Disboards for some virtual likes!!

The counter argument is that this thread is full of rich information and we know the limit of what's passing and try and get as close as possible to it. Thereby encouraging each other to get good deals.

 

[Stargazer65]

If this one gets taken, I'll eat my Mickey hat:


Stargazer65---$145-$4246-25-SSR-Jun-0/21, 0/22, 25/23, 25/24- sent 5/4

 

[Sandisw]

I mean - is there any legal standing ground regarding this instead of just waiting? I just looked at my direct purchase contract and it states “You have the right to sell your Ownership Interest, if you choose. However, DVD has a right of first refusal to repurchase your Ownership Interest on the same terms and conditions, including financing that your buyer has offered. Please note that DVD does not provide any assistance in the resale or rental of an Ownership Interest.”

It says same terms and conditions. If it doesn’t meet the original agreed upon terms and conditions, i.e. the original closing date, would that forfeit their right to purchase?

IDK maybe I’m just a bitter reseller that really wants to find a way to stick it to Disney.

I would say yes, you can cancel the sale if it doesn’t close on time just like you could with another buyer.

While it would have been nice to get this moved along,, it is what it is. No reason for me to stress about it. Lol

 

[davidl81]

Basically it comes down to perception.

Everyone wants to find the best possible deal, of course not everyone can.

Does that mean that some bend the truth about what they are buying - yeah some will because they might think that overpaying for a contract may make them look bad.

In reality paying more for a contract should increase your chances of passing ROFR. As everyone in here knows the DVC ROFR show are full of unknown elements and not two shows are the same.

Also brokers have an interest in claiming that the information here is not accurate as their paychecks are commission based.

This thread also is not representative of the overall market. As you said their is a bias to an extent to where the people who got the best deals will post, while others who paid slightly more either won’t post or maybe tell a slight white lie with their numbers for them to fall more in line with other low posters on this board.
It is very very useful to get an idea on the lower end of selling points and really where DVC is with ROFR.

 

[Einstein509]

Personally, I wouldn’t spread all this negative hearsay in such great detail if you’ve never experienced it, and I’m questioning the motivation behind a post like this. I feel like there’s an intent here I’m missing. Are you even really going?

For what it’s worth, my wife and I have been twice this last year, during the pandemic, and had a sensational time. The resort is top notch across the board.

Anyway, don’t mean to continue this digression on the ROFR board (sorry Sandi!), but I love Aulani, own there, and don’t feel this criticism is justified in any way, shape or form.

So this isn't hearsay, it's a lot of reviews from reputable trip sites that I condensed into a couple of sentences. Not sure if I can mention the actual review sites here or not, but do a search and you can see for yourself.

The motivation is that folks here seem to adore certain resorts no matter what. As I mentioned, I was surprised, that in this case, the reviews were not so glowing. That took me aback a bit......and yes, we are going, not sure why you would question that.

Anyway, I don't mean to digress as well, but thought I should share what I read since this is where people discuss which DVC resort to purchase and the ROFR process. Just food for thought.

Either way, thanks to all those that replied. It's making me feel more at ease about staying there after reading your mostly positive comments. Now back to the topic at hand.

 

[TroJo]

I would say yes, you can cancel the sale if it doesn’t close on time just like you could with another buyer.

While it would have been nice to get this moved along,, it is what it is. No reason for me to stress about it. Lol

In this case for Davidl81 (and for you after your 5/21 closing date) - I wonder if you could cancel and get Disney to cough up the deposit money… Since they didn’t meet the terms of paying by the closing date.

 

[sipnride]

5th times a charm

sipnride---$130-$26316-185-AKV-Mar-0/21, 283/22, 185/23, 185/24- sent 4/11

Taken, again.

 

[Sandisw]

In this case for Davidl81 (and for you after your 5/21 closing date) - I wonder if you could cancel and get Disney to cough up the deposit money… Since they didn’t meet the terms of paying by the closing date.

If, as a seller, I cancel the sale, I don’t think I could go after them because it was me, not them…and would probably still owe the commission.

Personally not interested in doing that and I am still 16 days from closing snd not even in the window of what I was told for documents.

I would have been nice to have the proceeds to lower the CC balance I will have, but it will be for a few weeks and with 0% interest it doesnt matter.

 

[birchtree95]

As Horatio said to Hamlet
"Something is rotten in the state of DVC.
What is taking so long on these decisions!! Please, just put me out of my misery" [sic]

Just saw a community theatre performance of "Something Rotten."

It was MAD hilarious! NOT a family friendly show, but everyone was roaring and the show got a standing ovation. So when catching up on this thread, this post make me grin ear to ear.

 

[pkrieger2287]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522219640415342593

 

[RamblinWreck]

A broker claimed that here some buyers write down lower price and some sellers do vice versa, so don't 100% trust the data in disboards. Why would users do that? For swag? I can't find the reason. My offer was rejected so I just gently (IMO) said the price was higher than what I saw in disboards, so I would look for others. Did I offend the agent? Feel weird either ways.

I can tell you that when I posted my VGF contract, I almost felt nervous that no one was going to believe me. I was tempted to either not say anything or to just post a higher price than what I was actually paying.

And even though not one person has actually questioned me on it, I was almost tempted to post a redacted screenshot of some of my paperwork showing the details just in case anyone was assuming I am a liar.


So I don't know. Do some people probably post slightly exaggerated details on their contracts? I'm sure it happens. But there's enough volume here that you can get a pretty good feel for where the ROFR line is even if there is some junk data sprinkled in.

Remember that the broker you are dealing with is representing the seller, not you. They are going to say what they can to get a higher price for the sale. They make more money that way.

 

[BeachClub2014]

I can tell you that when I posted my VGF contract, I almost felt nervous that no one was going to believe me. I was tempted to either not say anything or to just post a higher price than what I was actually paying.

I get it. I posted yesterday just before these comments about some folks fudging on their contract details and now I am not sure if it is directed our way. Probably just being paranoid.

I have seen some great contracts come thru lately, which is great. Our BCV contract at $154 is pretty good and I was actually pretty surprised when it passed at that price.

 

[hglenn]

I get it. I posted yesterday just before these comments about some folks fudging on their contract details and now I am not sure if it is directed our way. Probably just being paranoid.

I have seen some great contracts come thru lately, which is great. Our BCV contract at $154 is pretty good and I was actually pretty surprised when it passed at that price.

Same for us... we bought BWV at $125. That's the lowest I've seen it pass or even offered. It was full asking price and we knew we weren't willing to go up to the $150 prices we had been seeing them go for so we figured we'd give it a shot. I'm still in disbelief that it passed... I think it had more to do with timing than anything. 2 weeks before and it would've been taken!

 

[BeachClub2014]

Same for us... we bought BWV at $125. That's the lowest I've seen it pass or even offered. It was full asking price and we knew we weren't willing to go up to the $150 prices we had been seeing them go for so we figured we'd give it a shot. I'm still in disbelief that it passed... I think it had more to do with timing than anything. 2 weeks before and it would've been taken!

I remember your getting this! A few weeks before you got yours thru we had a 210-point BWV contract taken at $130 and I was jealous that yours went thru! Just goes to reaffirm that you never know with ROFR.

 

[jessica9785]

I think I may have put in lower bids with the same broker. I was told she knows that some of these posts aren’t entirely truthful as she recognized the contract, and it didn’t match up with the reality.

Just based on human nature that some people lie, I would think that may be true for some posts, but I certainly feel that the vast majority are truthful.

Good luck finding the right fit!

Never even occurred to me that some posts might not be truthful I based my Poly offer off of contracts from this thread that I saw passed. My broker told me he never thought the sellers would agree to my offer but then was shocked when they did! He was great, never told me NOT to offer.

 

[Mexacajun]

Same for us... we bought BWV at $125. That's the lowest I've seen it pass or even offered. It was full asking price and we knew we weren't willing to go up to the $150 prices we had been seeing them go for so we figured we'd give it a shot. I'm still in disbelief that it passed... I think it had more to do with timing than anything. 2 weeks before and it would've been taken!

I based my 143 offer for BWV off of your offer and had it accepted. I assume most here are honest. Nothing really to gain.

 

[Stargazer65]

I can't believe people would exagerate or make stuff up to look good. That's terrible.

BTW, check out this sweet deal I negotiated:

$25-$5000-200-BCV-Jun-400/21, 400/22, 400/23, 400/24- sent 5/2, passed ROFR 5/3, Closed 5/4, points loaded 5/5

(Seller pays dues until 2024)

 

[hglenn]

I can't believe people would exagerate or make stuff up to look good. That's terrible.

BTW, check out this sweet deal I negotiated:

$25-$5000-200-BCV-Jun-400/21, 400/22, 400/23, 400/24- sent 5/2, passed ROFR 5/3, Closed 5/4, points loaded 5/5

(Also, subsidized dues)

I'm confused by this... Is this a 200 point contract or a 400 point contract? What was your PPP?