ROFR Thread April to June 2022 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

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So, I'm sure it's nothing...but I got open escrow documents today (are these the closing documents? I wish there was a little bit more information from my agent) and the documents said "We are still waiting for Disney for the Right of First Refusal. Your sales agent will notify you on Disney's decision."...except I got an email from the concierge (not my sales agent) on 5/28 that said I had passed ROFR. Has anyone else had a similar experience?
Yes, we had this happen on a recent contract through DVC Resale Market. We were notified that we passed ROFR on 4/28. This is a delayed closing, so I didn't expect to hear anything for a while. On 5/18 I received the "open escrow" letter and it stated this did not mean we'd passed ROFR and we'd be notified when we did. I just assumed the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing, filled out the form and went on with my day :goodvibes . I think you're fine.
 
Hypothetical:

June UY 100 pointer at Saratoga. 0 2022 points...75 2023...100 2024.

Is there a snowflake's chance in Florida that the ROFR monster lets this slide at $125/pt?
 
Yes, we had this happen on a recent contract through DVC Resale Market. We were notified that we passed ROFR on 4/28. This is a delayed closing, so I didn't expect to hear anything for a while. On 5/18 I received the "open escrow" letter and it stated this did not mean we'd passed ROFR and we'd be notified when we did. I just assumed the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing, filled out the form and went on with my day :goodvibes . I think you're fine.
Awesome thank you! I guess I expected a little bit more communication between the two!
 

So far, a one-off, and it still didn't bring the price down below the resorts in active sales at the corresponding point levels.
It wasn't a one-off, they did the exact same thing at Boardwalk in November.

More importantly, it doesn't appear to have been fueled by unusual ROFR activity.
That's my point. The approach I'm describing doesn't require unusual ROFR activity. It's a way to periodically clear the balance sheet after ordinary ROFR activity.

Like I said, I could be wrong, and DVC could be doing something very different from what every other timeshare developer, anywhere, does.
Disney is not like any developer. People buy DVC largely because they have affinity for particular resorts (or particular parks). Animal Kingdom Lodge isn't attractive to a Beach Club person and Riviera isn't attractive to an Animal Kingdom Lodge person. When you buy DVC, you "buy where you want to stay," right? When you buy HGVC, you're not buying because you feel particular love for one property in particular. They're built to be generic and interchangeable, with the only difference being physical location. You're buying to get access to the system. A point is a point. Not so with DVC. A Poly point is fundamentally different than an Aulani point.

Namely they could be buying back things at a price higher than it costs to build new construction to sell it at a price equal or below that new construction.
Again, DVC resorts aren't interchangeable, they're unique. Poly 2 and Poly 1 are interchangeable, to your point, which is why they aren't ROFRing Poly 1. But selling ROFRed Bay Lake Tower points as an alternative to Riviera points isn't selling the same thing at a different COGS, it's selling a different thing entirely.

Your argument is like saying "Honda makes more profit selling CRVs than Civics, so they should stop selling Civics." Except not everybody wants a CRV. If you ONLY sell CRVs, you lose out on would-be Civic buyers.

Also, your argument works best as a case against exercising ROFR in the first place. "Why buy back these contracts?" But they ARE buying back the contracts, so it's moot. We're not discussing whether they should ROFR or not, because obviously they are. The question is what they should do with the points once they have them.

Finally, your point about margins would also apply to cash inventory. The case that some have made that Disney might be buying points to sell as cash rooms doesn't hold up. Just as they could build new DVC resorts more cheaply than flipping ROFR points, they can also build new cash resorts more cheaply than buying ROFR points to sell cash inventory.
 
It wasn't a one-off, they did the exact same thing at Boardwalk in November.


That's my point. The approach I'm describing doesn't require unusual ROFR activity. It's a way to periodically clear the balance sheet after ordinary ROFR activity.


Disney is not like any developer. People buy DVC largely because they have affinity for particular resorts (or particular parks). Animal Kingdom Lodge isn't attractive to a Beach Club person and Riviera isn't attractive to an Animal Kingdom Lodge person. When you buy DVC, you "buy where you want to stay," right? When you buy HGVC, you're not buying because you feel particular love for one property in particular. They're built to be generic and interchangeable, with the only difference being physical location. You're buying to get access to the system. A point is a point. Not so with DVC. A Poly point is fundamentally different than an Aulani point.


Again, DVC resorts aren't interchangeable, they're unique. Poly 2 and Poly 1 are interchangeable, to your point, which is why they aren't ROFRing Poly 1. But selling ROFRed Bay Lake Tower points as an alternative to Riviera points isn't selling the same thing at a different COGS, it's selling a different thing entirely.

Your argument is like saying "Honda makes more profit selling CRVs than Civics, so they should stop selling Civics." Except not everybody wants a CRV. If you ONLY sell CRVs, you lose out on would-be Civic buyers.

Also, your argument works best as a case against exercising ROFR in the first place. "Why buy back these contracts?" But they ARE buying back the contracts, so it's moot. We're not discussing whether they should ROFR or not, because obviously they are. The question is what they should do with the points once they have them.

Finally, your point about margins would also apply to cash inventory. The case that some have made that Disney might be buying points to sell as cash rooms doesn't hold up. Just as they could build new DVC resorts more cheaply than flipping ROFR points, they can also build new cash resorts more cheaply than buying ROFR points to sell cash inventory.

I know I keep saying this, but both the BWV and BLT deals happened when they only had RIV for sale at WDW and sales were really slow...October 2021 was only 101 K total....it was an out of the box move that could have been a one off to see if they could somehow increase direct sales using a strategy to discount a sold out resort. It may have just been something done as a bridge to hold them over until VGF went on sale in March (which, when BWV happened, that sales date had not yet been announced).

Basically, those deals gave DVD two WDW properties to sell at one time in the lower range. But now that they have VGF to sell with RIV the strategy of selling sold out resorts to boost direct sales doesn't seem to be important to them, given the strong March and April numbers.

DVD has always lost buyers when the resort they were selling as new wasn't someone's cup of tea...same thing happened when SSR was for sale, AKV was for sale, BLT was for sale, etc. But, they didn't resort to offering deals on all the resorts that had come previously.

Of course, DVD could offer deals on more than those in active sales so they capture resale buyers like yourself...but, for now, it appears they have no desire to do that and like in the past, are willing to let some buyers walk away instead of discounting anything but the top resorts it wants to sell.

Plus, we have no idea how DVD feels about having points sitting around from ROFR? It seems like they'd want to clear things up, but when you have millions of other points to sell, maybe that small number of sold out points is just not a priority right now...that is why I think that any future sales of sold out resorts will come when they feel they need them to increase sales overall...which IMO, could have been why we saw BLT, BWV, and AUL fire sales in the past 8 months.
 
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Friday evening surprise update! Another week in the bag.

Seriously- 80-88% ROFR buyback rate? Am I hallucinating this?
What in the world happened here? I'm curious - never heard of something passing and then not passing -

Alohatok1986---$132-$30375-225-AKV-Oct-0/21, 0/22, 176/23- seller pays dues on est. 49 pts. for 2023, delayed close (10/20)- sent 4/14, passed 5/13, then taken 5/31
 
Hypothetical:

June UY 100 pointer at Saratoga. 0 2022 points...75 2023...100 2024.

Is there a snowflake's chance in Florida that the ROFR monster lets this slide at $125/pt?
I had an 80 point SSR pass recently at 126/pt. I thought for sure it wouldn’t. But also the owner was deceased and I’m not sure if that affects the outcome🤷‍♀️
 
They're the title company on my contract. We got the ROFR waiver on 5/24 and was told by the broker that the closing docs would be received within 2 to 3 weeks. This talk of Disney taking back their waivers is troubling. Has that ever happened before?
Got my closing docs and funding instructions today, so 11 days after passing ROFR. Not so bad. So once I send the funds and signed docs it's a done deal assuming seller has signed and delivered too?

What's the average time from that point until I get an actual account with points I can use? Thank you all for your insights, us uninitiated first timers appreciate it! I haven't felt this mix of impatient excitement since I was a kid waiting for Christmas morning!
 
Got my closing docs and funding instructions today, so 11 days after passing ROFR. Not so bad. So once I send the funds and signed docs it's a done deal assuming seller has signed and delivered too?

What's the average time from that point until I get an actual account with points I can use? Thank you all for your insights, us uninitiated first timers appreciate it! I haven't felt this mix of impatient excitement since I was a kid waiting for Christmas morning!
I would budget for 30ish days.
 
Got my closing docs and funding instructions today, so 11 days after passing ROFR. Not so bad. So once I send the funds and signed docs it's a done deal assuming seller has signed and delivered too?

What's the average time from that point until I get an actual account with points I can use? Thank you all for your insights, us uninitiated first timers appreciate it! I haven't felt this mix of impatient excitement since I was a kid waiting for Christmas morning!
Check out the Closing Time thread - you'll see timelines from start to finish.
https://www.disboards.com/threads/closing-time-2021-and-2022-edition.3836891/page-83#post-64048452
 
Disneycouple99(seller)---$182-$10073-50-BLT-Dec-0/21, 50/22, 50/23- sent 6/3

Resold 2 days after seller back out of the previous sale at $174.

Do you mean the initial buyer backed out? Or you, as seller pulled to offer for more?
 
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