ROFR question

MickeyFan612

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I was informed that you can never split up points in a contract if they were originally deeded that way. When Disney exercises ROFR are they allowed to change deed and redistribute points into amounts that are desirable to folks on waiting lists?
 
I was informed that you can never split up points in a contract if they were originally deeded that way. When Disney exercises ROFR are they allowed to change deed and redistribute points into amounts that are desirable to folks on waiting lists?

Great question; I look forward to learning the answer too!
 
MickeyFan612 said:
I was informed that you can never split up points in a contract if they were originally deeded that way. When Disney exercises ROFR are they allowed to change deed and redistribute points into amounts that are desirable to folks on waiting lists?

Yes, Disney can repackage points into new amounts. But they cannot change the use year or the total number of points at any given resort.
 
Yes, Disney can repackage points into new amounts. But they cannot change the use year or the total number of points at any given resort.

So larger point contracts are just as susceptible as the smaller ones to be taken back! But an unpopular use year may help you pass! Thanks for info...trying to learn all the ends and outs here:)
 

So larger point contracts are just as susceptible as the smaller ones to be taken back! But an unpopular use year may help you pass! Thanks for info...trying to learn all the ends and outs here:)

My opinion is that way too much attention is paid to passing ROFR. It's something that we like to talk about because it's fun and there's not much else to do while you're waiting for the process to take its course. But I think in a way we are doing a disservice to new members to these boards by placing so much emphasis on it. New resale buyers come on here and read all the chatter and I think that all the discussion tends to create a little panic and worry. The thing to keep in mind is that in the majority of contracts, passing ROFR is a matter of when and not if.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we have no real understanding of DVD's ROFR policy. The best we have is some educated guesses based on interpreting a very small amount of data. My opinion is that when shopping for contracts, you should look for a contract that works for you and offer a price that works for you. Choosing use years based on popularity or offering more per point as insurance to pass ROFR are not really worth it, in my opinion. I have purchased (or attempted to purchase) 6 contracts. The first I feel like I paid too much for. Two were ridiculously good deals and they got ROFR'd. But the other three were equally as good deals and they passed.

If DVD has a buyer waiting for a specific resort with a specific use year, odds are good that they'll take your contract. But these cases are rare and there's nothing you can do about it, so I wouldn't worry. :)
 
My opinion is that way too much attention is paid to passing ROFR. It's something that we like to talk about because it's fun and there's not much else to do while you're waiting for the process to take its course. But I think in a way we are doing a disservice to new members to these boards by placing so much emphasis on it. New resale buyers come on here and read all the chatter and I think that all the discussion tends to create a little panic and worry. The thing to keep in mind is that in the majority of contracts, passing ROFR is a matter of when and not if.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we have no real understanding of DVD's ROFR policy. The best we have is some educated guesses based on interpreting a very small amount of data. My opinion is that when shopping for contracts, you should look for a contract that works for you and offer a price that works for you. Choosing use years based on popularity or offering more per point as insurance to pass ROFR are not really worth it, in my opinion. I have purchased (or attempted to purchase) 6 contracts. The first I feel like I paid too much for. Two were ridiculously good deals and they got ROFR'd. But the other three were equally as good deals and they passed.

If DVD has a buyer waiting for a specific resort with a specific use year, odds are good that they'll take your contract. But these cases are rare and there's nothing you can do about it, so I wouldn't worry. :)

I agree with ELMC, never over bid on a contract just because you think that will increase your odds of passing ROFR.

If DVD has someone waiting for your resort and your UY, it doesn't matter what you pay they are going to take it unless of course someone else comes in with the exact same resort and UY within your 30 day waiting period. Odds of another contract coming in with the same resort and UY in your 30 day window aren't great though so I'd still never pay more to try and pass ROFR.

And at SSR & AKV I would never ever pay more to pass rofr cause they will never ever be taken back with ROFR. DVD gets enough people defaulting on their loans/MF to keep them in all the points they need.

And if you want proof that price has nothing to do with ROFR, my best purchase of all time was 200 points at SSR that came with 3 years of points, price was $50/point + buyer pays closing. Seller paid all MF. That was as close to giving the points away as I've ever seen, yet Disney didn't take that contract back.
 
So larger point contracts are just as susceptible as the smaller ones to be taken back! But an unpopular use year may help you pass! Thanks for info...trying to learn all the ends and outs here:)
But larger contracts are harder to sell and tend to bring less per point than smaller ones. If they fit your needs they can be the best value.
 
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I agree with ELMC, never over bid on a contract just because you think that will increase your odds of passing ROFR.

If DVD has someone waiting for your resort and your UY, it doesn't matter what you pay they are going to take it unless of course someone else comes in with the exact same resort and UY within your 30 day waiting period. Odds of another contract coming in with the same resort and UY in your 30 day window aren't great though so I'd still never pay more to try and pass ROFR.

And at SSR & AKV I would never ever pay more to pass rofr cause they will never ever be taken back with ROFR. DVD gets enough people defaulting on their loans/MF to keep them in all the points they need.

And if you want proof that price has nothing to do with ROFR, my best purchase of all time was 200 points at SSR that came with 3 years of points, price was $50/point + buyer pays closing. Seller paid all MF. That was as close to giving the points away as I've ever seen, yet Disney didn't take that contract back.

When I put in my recent offers for my OKW contracts I went with advice for what was passing ROFR...It was even suggested on some contracts to offer more per point and get them to pay maint. fees etc. Yesterday I found a OKW contract on one site that is only asking 45 a point for 300 points. When I saw how low per point the first thing I thought was it would never pass ROFR so why try.. LOl But it's in my nature to dig deeper so I contacted the site which seems reputable but the individual didn't seem familiar with DVC! I'm still waiting for him to gather info. He didn't know how important use year was and much about banking borrowing points. Now I'm wandering if the risk/ rewards are worth dealing with with this individual? Doug that deal you found for SSR is awesome..I hope one day I can land a deal like that:)
 
But larger contracts are harder to sell and tend to bring less per point than smaller ones. If they fit your needs they can be the best value.

This is very true. We just started the process and found we were able to get a larger contract for the cost of a smaller contract because the larger contract was considerably less cost per point.
 
My opinion is that way too much attention is paid to passing ROFR. It's something that we like to talk about because it's fun and there's not much else to do while you're waiting for the process to take its course. But I think in a way we are doing a disservice to new members to these boards by placing so much emphasis on it. New resale buyers come on here and read all the chatter and I think that all the discussion tends to create a little panic and worry. The thing to keep in mind is that in the majority of contracts, passing ROFR is a matter of when and not if.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we have no real understanding of DVD's ROFR policy. The best we have is some educated guesses based on interpreting a very small amount of data. My opinion is that when shopping for contracts, you should look for a contract that works for you and offer a price that works for you. Choosing use years based on popularity or offering more per point as insurance to pass ROFR are not really worth it, in my opinion. I have purchased (or attempted to purchase) 6 contracts. The first I feel like I paid too much for. Two were ridiculously good deals and they got ROFR'd. But the other three were equally as good deals and they passed.

If DVD has a buyer waiting for a specific resort with a specific use year, odds are good that they'll take your contract. But these cases are rare and there's nothing you can do about it, so I wouldn't worry. :)

Yeah I wish I would have seen some of your earlier posts before bidding on OKW contracts. I am happy with my SSR offers cause I bid without the consideration of ROFR. In the future no ROFR fears for me:)
 
This is very true. We just started the process and found we were able to get a larger contract for the cost of a smaller contract because the larger contract was considerably less cost per point.
Some have touted smaller contracts to give more options for resale, multiple home resorts and as a legacy and while in theory that is a good idea, there is a cost to such a choice. Two 150 pt contracts compared to a single 300 pt contract will generally be in the range of $2-3K more plus any difference between home resorts if they are different. IMO, it only makes sense to do this if one really needs multiple home resorts, one wants to phase in points by buying some now and some later or possibly for a more in demand contact combined with a contract used as a points cow. IMO, the cost just to get future resale or legacy options is not a reasonable one for these options alone.
 
When I put in my recent offers for my OKW contracts I went with advice for what was passing ROFR...It was even suggested on some contracts to offer more per point and get them to pay maint. fees etc. Yesterday I found a OKW contract on one site that is only asking 45 a point for 300 points. When I saw how low per point the first thing I thought was it would never pass ROFR so why try.. LOl But it's in my nature to dig deeper so I contacted the site which seems reputable but the individual didn't seem familiar with DVC! I'm still waiting for him to gather info. He didn't know how important use year was and much about banking borrowing points. Now I'm wandering if the risk/ rewards are worth dealing with with this individual? Doug that deal you found for SSR is awesome..I hope one day I can land a deal like that:)
I would suggest pushing the envelope and offering less then taking your chances on ROFR for most situations.
 
I would suggest pushing the envelope and offering less then taking your chances on ROFR for most situations.

k I found one that is only asking 49 300 pts. Dec use year. 300 '10, 300 '11, 300 '12. and all maint paid including 2012. This is one I'm like do I offer less or just pay asking lol From ROFR thread it looks like it will not pass! Oh what to do!
 
k I found one that is only asking 49 300 pts. Dec use year. 300 '10, 300 '11, 300 '12. and all maint paid including 2012. This is one I'm like do I offer less or just pay asking lol From ROFR thread it looks like it will not pass! Oh what to do!

Wow, nice. Good question. Odds are that you'd just be doing Disney a big favor, but you never know. Doug had one about like that get through for SSR, but the monkey seems to prefer the taste of key limes (OKW).
 
Some have touted smaller contracts to give more options for resale, multiple home resorts and as a legacy and while in theory that is a good idea, there is a cost to such a choice. Two 150 pt contracts compared to a single 300 pt contract will generally be in the range of $2-3K more plus any difference between home resorts if they are different. IMO, it only makes sense to do this if one really needs multiple home resorts, one wants to phase in points by buying some now and some later or possibly for a more in demand contact combined with a contract used as a points cow. IMO, the cost just to get future resale or legacy options is not a reasonable one for these options alone.

I agree. Cheaper upfront cost is my personal preference.
 
k I found one that is only asking 49 300 pts. Dec use year. 300 '10, 300 '11, 300 '12. and all maint paid including 2012. This is one I'm like do I offer less or just pay asking lol From ROFR thread it looks like it will not pass! Oh what to do!

The 2010 points don't matter, there is going to beany time to use them as they will expire the end of Nov 2012.

Making an offer is free and only ties up a deposit for a couple of months.

If you had of been able to buy this in the early spring it would have been a great deal. I would have made an offer in an instant even if there was a good chance of it not passing ROFR.
 
The 2010 points don't matter, there is going to beany time to use them as they will expire the end of Nov 2012.

Making an offer is free and only ties up a deposit for a couple of months.

If you had of been able to buy this in the early spring it would have been a great deal. I would have made an offer in an instant even if there was a good chance of it not passing ROFR.

Good point on the 2010 points. I found a dec use year for SSR with 2010 points. what do you think the odds are for being able to use those points?
 
Good point on the 2010 points. I found a dec use year for SSR with 2010 points. what do you think the odds are for being able to use those points?
If you had a contract now you'd have maybe a 2 month window to both book and travel. You should be able to use the points but the question is fitting it into your schedule. You should also have enough time to make a RCI deposit or try to rent the points.
 
I did not understand the part of your post that i snipped so i answered the part i understood...

Some have touted smaller contracts to give more options for resale,
That is true, i got it for a good price because it was hard to sell a big contract and when it comes time for me to sell i will have a hard time selling it. But that is not the primary concern, having enough points at this time is... One thing i will never do again...three use years...all at the same home resort. Famous last words... How Hard Can It Be.... It is working for us because we go twice a year but it is a lot of work keeping everything straight.
 
If you had a contract now you'd have maybe a 2 month window to both book and travel. You should be able to use the points but the question is fitting it into your schedule. You should also have enough time to make a RCI deposit or try to rent the points.

What is the RCI deposit and how does it work?
Trying to learn all my options. Thanks
 















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