Roethlisberger Walked.........ugh!

There is way too much discussion here. I always have problems with people on this board complaining about court verdicts. The overall statement is you don't have to agree with them but you have to accept them. You are not an expert, you were not in the court/reviewing evidence/interviewing people/etc. Most of your exposure comes from the media. These people who are in the court/doing the case are experts/have ALL the info, you don't. They are the best ones to make the decisions.

This never even had a chance to go to court. No charges were filed because there was not enough evidence. And yes, everyone is speculating. None of us were there. But it is a discussion board, so of course everyone wants to discuss. At least we are all being civil in our discussions this time.
 
There is way too much discussion here. I always have problems with people on this board complaining about court verdicts. The overall statement is you don't have to agree with them but you have to accept them. You are not an expert, you were not in the court/reviewing evidence/interviewing people/etc. Most of your exposure comes from the media. These people who are in the court/doing the case are experts/have ALL the info, you don't. They are the best ones to make the decisions.

Last I check this was a DISCUSSION board.... :confused3

We're not affecting anyone lives, we're just DISCUSSING it. :rolleyes:
 
There seems to be lots of discussion on the matter:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/04/13/mail/index.html?cnn=yes&hpt=Mid

MMQB Mail: Big Ben deserves at least two-game suspension in 2010

"I'm a pretty hardcore Steelers fan (and father of 2 young daughters). I'm done with this team as long as Ben is a part of it.''
--@MarcMick, Steeler follower Marc Mickiewicz, in a Twitter message to me this morning at 8:51.

You're not alone, Marc. There's dissatisfaction all over Steeler Nation, about Ben Roethlisberger's serial immaturity, Santonio Holmes' substance abuse and Jeff Reed's off-field antics. Right now, Roethlisberger is the target of most of the anger. I read it on Twitter and in direct e-mails to me and hear it from Steeler fans I've encountered in the past month. It's an epidemic. The good thing, I think, is that Steeler brass feels the same way. Ace beat man Ed Bouchette, in this morning's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports that Steelers president Art Rooney II was furious when he watched the Georgia district attorney detail Roethlisberger's sordid night of boozing with underage girls and the furtive dalliance that created the latest firestorm around the Steelers' franchise quarterback.

I'm not sure who's going to suspend Roethlisberger to start his NFL season -- I suspect it will be the Steelers who will sit him for conduct detrimental to the team for a game or two -- but there's no question he needs to be suspended, though he's been formally charged with nothing. Make no mistake -- he's done plenty wrong, even if it's just as the prosecutor detailed Monday: drinking way too much, then plying underage girls with alcohol until one of them was overly intoxicated and he followed her down a dark hall, and bodyguards got in the way, and no one but the two participants is certain what happened next. Whatever it is, it's beyond bad judgment.

The Steelers, rightfully, are ashamed. Roethlisberger over the past nine months has brought that shame on the team himself, twice, and he deserves to pay for it with two games off. Without pay. Or, better yet, with the pay donated to Pittsburgh-area women's shelters.

And by the way, I would have liked to hear a little more I-screwed-up in Roethlisberger's statement Monday night. Whoever crafted that thing, here's a nugget: Who gives a darn about Big Ben being "more determined than ever to have a great season'' on a day he should be solely concerned with telling the world what a knucklehead he's been and that it will never, ever happen again?

The next step for Roethlisberger comes today, when he's summoned to the principal's office to get rapped on the knuckles. When Roethlisberger walks into his meeting with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, I expect he'll hear words from Goodell to the effect of: "Ben, you've embarrassed yourself, you've embarrassed your family, you've embarrassed a family that's a pillar of this league -- the Rooneys. And you've tarnished the shield.''

The commish will be right. The best thing that came from the Georgia district attorney who declined to prosecute the case Monday was Fred Bright's point about what he'd say to Roethlisberger if he were his son, and his son had done this: "Grow up. Come on, you're supposed to stand for something.''

He should have two September Sundays to think about it, without football getting in the way.

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If Ben does stay with the Steelers, it will be very interesting to see the reaction of the fans at the start of the new season. A news poll was taken yesterday and 90% of the fans here locally did not buy his apology and agreed that he needs to grow up.

Also will be interesting to see how the team reacts. He was asked not to attend indoor practices last month because it was felt that everything going on with his personal life would detract from what needed to be accomplished during practice.

90% of fans are mad. Yea right! They say that now . He starts winning games or by some slight chance takes us to the Super Bowl again, The majority of those 90% of fans will welcome him back with open arms. I suspect he will be greeted with boos on opening day. Players have been booed by Pittsburgh fans for far less but as soon as one of his passes connects with Hines, the cheers will begin again.

I love Ben and the Steelers. My kids and I will wear our Ben jerseys this season. I will cheer him and my team as always. Do I think he assaulted these girls? Andrea McNulty, no way. I think she is in it for what she can get. The Georgia story there are alot of holes and what ifs. It has been said, the accusor didn't remember what happened and her friends told her she was raped and thats why she went to the hospital. Then later didn't want to press charges.

Who knows? No one knows what really happened. But Ben does need to grow up. At 28, he should have never been hanging out in a college town. He does need to grow up and get some better judgement quick. I don't know what the future will bring for Ben, but I do hope for his and his families sake, he learns to put himself in better situations.
 

Suspend Big Ben for what? Bad decisions? The NFL should not get involved at all.

Now what the Rooneys choose do is a different story. I would not be surprised if they start look at alternatives (draft) to Big Ben. I can't see them putting up with Ben for much longer.
 
An article by the AP about Ben's hometown. It's true - I used to see someone with a Ben jersey on about every day. They've all but disappeared. Allegations aside, Ben's immaturity and character are embarrassing. I really feel for his mom.

http://www.thecourier.com/Issues/2010/Apr/14/ar_news_041410_story1.asp?d=041410_story1,2010,Apr,14&c=n

Adoration for 'Big Ben' fading

By JOHN SEEWER

Associated Press Writer

The black and gold Ben Roethlisberger jerseys are long gone from store display windows in his hometown of Findlay. Stacks of bobblehead dolls at a downtown shop haven't been touched for months.

Adoration for the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback has faded after two women accused him of sexual misconduct within the past year, sparking questions about his character and judgment.

A story about "Big Ben" in Tuesday's Courier attracted a swarm of critical online comments about Roethlisberger.

Yet some remain reluctant to criticize the hometown sports hero, even as they agreed with a Georgia prosecutor's assessment that Roethlisberger needs to "grow up" and be a better role model.

"He's one of ours," said Carol Allen, of Findlay. "I'm not saying he was right or wrong. But he's family."

Few residents in the town where he grew up were surprised when a district attorney in Milledgeville, Ga., announced Monday that Roethlisberger would not be charged after a college student accused him of sexually assaulting her in a nightclub bathroom last month.

"People are pretty loyal to him, but it's happened twice now so it does make you wonder," said Mark Manuszak, who works in Findlay and lives nearby.

Just a few NFL seasons ago, Roethlisberger posters decorated barbershops and bowling alleys in the middle of Cleveland Browns territory. Fans couldn't get enough merchandise as long as it had Roethlisberger's name, face or No. 7 jersey -- magnets, blankets, flags, mugs, hats and clocks.

"Anything that smelled like Ben was going out of here," said Cathy Linhart, owner of House of Awards and Shoes.

She used to be a Browns fan and switched to the rival Steelers when they drafted Roethlisberger in 2004. Now she wonders if he's a different person than the one she sold basketball shoes and baseball cleats to when he was in high school.

"I'm shocked. I thought he was a great role model," she said. "I don't get it. He's from a solid family, a solid hometown."

Roethlisberger acknowledged Monday that he'll need to work to regain the trust of teammates and fans. He still faces a lawsuit by another woman who said he raped her in 2008 at a Nevada hotel. He has denied the allegation and is seeking counter-damages in the matter.

Many in Findlay still remember Roethlisberger as the kid with close-cropped hair -- not the glassy-eyed bar hopper celebrating his birthday in Georgia who authorities said bought shots for a 20-year-old student and her friends.

They know him as the star athlete who donated autographed footballs to local charities, bought a police dog for the city, and came home every year for a celebrity basketball game that raised money for the high school teams.

"That's why people aren't quick to rush to judgment because they do know him from high school and church," said former Mayor Tony Iriti, who first coached Roethlisberger in grade school and has stayed close to the family.

He just hopes Roethlisberger will stop putting himself in places where he can get into trouble.

"It's just like your kids," said Iriti. "You want them to make the best judgments and put themselves in good positions all the time. Sometimes, that just doesn't happen."

Roethlisberger's trips home have been less frequent lately. His parents moved to Pittsburgh last summer and his sister, Carlee, plays basketball for the Oklahoma Sooners.

Whether his hometown will stay behind him might be better known when football season comes around. "Fans are fans, that's not going to change," said J.D. Cataline, who owns High Five Sports, a shop at the Findlay Village Mall.

He worries about how all of this will affect his 9-year-old granddaughter who started cheering for Roethlisberger during his first Super Bowl run five years ago.

"It's real important for our younger generation to see more positive role models," he said. "That's why we're hoping for a positive outcome."

For now, a stack of Roethlisberger calendars sits near the cash register next to smaller piles of calendars featuring other players.

"We can sell everybody else's, but not his," said Cataline's wife, Sue. "We can't sell any of his stuff."
 
An article by the AP about Ben's hometown. It's true - I used to see someone with a Ben jersey on about every day. They've all but disappeared. Allegations aside, Ben's immaturity and character are embarrassing. I really feel for his mom.

http://www.thecourier.com/Issues/2010/Apr/14/ar_news_041410_story1.asp?d=041410_story1,2010,Apr,14&c=n



This article proves my point. He has never even been charged but people will always believe he did it because of the accusations.
 
Suspend Big Ben for what? Bad decisions? The NFL should not get involved at all.

Now what the Rooneys choose do is a different story. I would not be surprised if they start look at alternatives (draft) to Big Ben. I can't see them putting up with Ben for much longer.

The NFL has a code of conduct. I think he will be suspended for using poor judgement in this case. He had no business being in a college hang-out.
 
The NFL has a code of conduct. I think he will be suspended for using poor judgement in this case. He had no business being in a college hang-out.

Do the teams have a code of conduct as well? I thought I read somewhere they do.
 
This article proves my point. He has never even been charged but people will always believe he did it because of the accusations.

people will think it but I doubt he cares and I don't think it will hit him in the pocketbook or anything.
 
Yeah, he lost having "beef jerky", named after him. How ironic for a beefy jerk!

I don't know if he's guilty of rape, but it seems a good bet he's guilty of having sex in a bathroom with a drunk 20 year old.
 
What did he apologize for? If he didn't do anything wrong, why apologize? I'm not saying he's guilty or not, but he did apologize for "something".
 
What did he apologize for? If he didn't do anything wrong, why apologize? I'm not saying he's guilty or not, but he did apologize for "something".

He apologized for being a horse's behind.
 
This thread just proves that even though there was no charges, many people will always believe that a man did what he was accused of in a case of sexual assault.

Agreed. And it's infuriating. Duke lacrosse team, anyone???


Is he a target because of his status and money? Sure. So, if everyone else can see that, how is Ben missing it and WHY does he continue to place himself in those situations?

He should be allowed to have a life. If he wants to go to a party or a club, he should be allowed to do so.

I can't STAND the Steelers, and I'm not a Ben fan by any stretch of the imagination. But just because people want to think he's guilty doesn't make him so.

WHY is the girl never in trouble in these situations? How old was she? Did she have a fake ID? Was she drinking?

Last I checked, these things weren't legal.
 
I don't know if he's guilty of rape, but it seems a good bet he's guilty of having sex in a bathroom with a drunk 20 year old.

Having sex with a 20-year-old isn't illegal. A 20-yr-old pretending to be 21 so she can drink, on the other hand, is incredibly illegal. What better way to push the attention from that little fact than by accusing someone of rape?
 








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