Rise of the Resistance BOARDING GROUPS Superthread Part 1 *No Ride Spoilers Please* *PLEASE READ POSTS 1-4*

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The more I think about it the more I think Disney is using the best solution there is.

In WDW they really need to restructure fast pass tiers for holly wood studios before they add add ROR to the mix there. Having the boarding group I think there actually makes it possible to ride ROR and have a fastpass for another tier 1 ride..

mans disneyland if your added it to maxpass without a standby it would just the same exact thing except fastpasses for it would be gone in seconds.. the only thing is that they could use the standby line is stead of back up BG... but then you have the standby line craziness.

I’ve watched some YouTube videos of when avatar land opened at WDW and holy cow... yeah I think Disney knew exactly what they were doing opening 2 Star Wars lands and then opening it in phases..

I think we will see this boarding group situation for awhile.

one thing is bugging me. I dunno just rubs me the wrong way I guess. Seeing a lot of you tubers and instgramers who got to ride multiple times at the media event, then came opening day, and are there again today. I know we can’t control people but at least this system limits everyone to 1 ride per day.... it would be nice if people accepted 1 ride per trip...
 
Exactly this, but also: Day 2 of operations is too early to be talking about what "should" be happening. It's not like Disney is listening to a message board.

I'm not a mod, but I would strongly suggest that if people want to make suggestions on changing anything, they do so in another thread where it can be reasonably discussed without interfering with what's happening right now.
I did think to myself that we have all this time for debate because we are NOT talking about ride breakdowns today, lol. Other than the breakdown at 10 am, the ride data looks amazing so far today! https://www.thrill-data.com/waits/attraction/disneyland/starwarsriseoftheresistance/
 
Meh. I’m not sure it’s going to work well long-term. I don’t find it “unfair” or “unsuitable,” and I got on just fine yesterday, so I’m certainly not a fit for “it doesn’t suit my style or a didn’t get a boarding group.” I’m honestly thinking, “if I’m Disney, and I’ve got a huge hit on my hands, but people aren’t coming to my parks and a lot of people are unhappy anyway,” I’m looking to change that system. People love the ride. But park attendance doesn’t look great for MLK weekend. And that’s gotta be a problem for them.
This ride really isn't here to improve attendance. Right now, it'll be lucky to get 10,000 through it per day, and Disneyland's average daily attendance is 50,000. Most people who go to DL this weekend won't be able to ride it.

Honestly, ROTR is there to be the diamond in the Imagineering portfolio, proving that Disney does theme park rides better than anyone else. So far, so good.
 
Not to you specific question, but I think WDW and DLR share the same system, same mechanism as far as authorization and authentication go. You can make an experiment with both apps logged out, and log into one of them, then you can see it logs into the other as well.
Good idea. Will do that.

Hi all, We are back at GCH for a break, so I thought I would quickly post our experience today for our first try at ROTR.

0600: left GCH, no line whatsoever at security to get into DTD

0605: arrived at gates, no lines at MM only gates to far right, but we have APs and using EMH and several CMs could not tell me if we could use the 2 lines marked MM (as opposed to the other lines which were marked MM/EMH), so we got in a line marked MM/EMH to be safe. About 13 people in front of us. Regular entry lines already past the monorail and about 1/2 between monorail and DCA.

0640: (I think, was too hyped to look at phone) opened gates. Regular lines well past DCA. Our gate had immediate problems as CM was brand new and very frazzled and angry. She could not get first family’s tickets to scan, then finally retook their photos several times; next family is told by her that they already used their MM (they were staying onsite, so also had EMH); argument ensues, lead comes over, pulls them aside, takes tickets and leaves; next family has tickets and shows their DVC keys to GCH (which look different than our regular GCH keys) and she tells them that DVC doesn’t get you EMH, argument ensues, lead comes back with first family’s tickets, tells her DVC keys are good and overrides, lets first family in since they do have EMH; OUR turn finally!! Scans my AP and says it is expired and I can’t enter. She is fuming now as all the guests are anxious and nothing working. Calls lead over, takes our APs, we step aside. Next family shows no tickets valid. Lead brings our AP back, she has to override them and we finally enter. It was stressful and unnecessary for everyone; no idea why they put a clearly brand new CM on the gates at MM/EMH for ROTR weekend. We knew we had plenty of time, so stayed calm but it was nerve racking.

0700: pin trading. Walking up Main Street, and CM’s telling all EMH guests to have room keys out to get into Tomorrowland (blocked by the red corn dog wagon Area with ropes. Rest of non-EMH guests allowed up around the Hub on Main Street. We show keys and they let us into Tomorrowland (and you had to go this way if you wanted to get to FL also). Rode SM with no wait x 2, shopped, etc.

0735: Decided at 7:35 to start looking for good signals. We had 6 phones all logged into the app as me:
iPhone 7 WiFi only
iphone 10 Wifi only
iphone 10R Verizon
iphone 10R Verizon
iphone 10 Verizon
iphone 11 AT&T

There were 4 of us, so DD14 and I each had one WiFi phone and one Verizon cell phone. DD12 had her Verizon cell and DH his ATT cell. DD14 and I stood near Buzz gift shop per @wonkakid’s advice for good WiFi (had good Wifi and cell here). DD12 and DH went to train station loading area and neither had a signal so they walked over to the entrance the Subs). We put one WiFi phone and one Verizon 10R with app already open. All other phones, we hard-closed app prior to 8. Crowds were thick but not insane at Buzz FP kiosks (there was a line of 20-30 there right at 7am and it grew) with people who had no phones or were hedging bets on an IT issue.

I used my Apple Watch to count the seconds. Right at 8, we all opened app, but those that were already opened went to Find out More and got red button immediately. I got the red button immediately on both my WiFi phone and my Verizon cell but the app had to open. DH never got the red button at all on ATT cell. I immediately got “you are already in a boarding group” on both my Wifi and Verizon phones. DD12 and DD14 are not sure which of them actually got the group, so it was either Verizon cell or WiFi, but both phones that got in the fastest ALREADY had the app open when 8am hit. I know that is counter to what people at WDW were recommending (they recommended hard-close app and open right at 8, which also worked, but was not as fast as app open for our family). Got BG 14!!!!!!

Rode Buzz, Pirates, and group called right at 845. In line at 9am, on at 933, off around 10. Line moved continuously, and no breakdowns. Loved the ride and will try tomorrow but the process will be a little different since no EMH.

Right after we got our BG, APs disappeared from phone and would not let me book MP (though I had booked MP right at going through gates at 0700, so it was working earlier). Kept telling me to purchase MP for our AP, even though we already have MP!! We didn’t want to waste time at GS, and about 9 or so, the app was showing a message that all MP was down. But then I was able to book one anyway?? It was weird. I think the whole system crashed this AM.

So grateful to all on these boards and the WDW boards, as all of your advice was valuable this AM. We also needed the Force because many people around us did not get BGs. It was very sad. Some had technical issues, some had parties that were showing as not in the park. My Advice there is that if you can, try to book a MP right after entering the park (before BGs drop). If you can do that for all in the party, then you know it recognizes you as all in the park. If not, it will error on the MP booking and you will hopefully have time to go to GS before BGs drop.

MTFBW everyone (including us!) as we try again tomorrow!!!!
This is fantastic. Thank you so much!!

This is super helpful and we will follow this strategy next weekend!!!!
Us, too. We will see you there :)
 

Disney clearly put a lot of thought into how they were going to handle this. As someone who revels in going to the parks when they are at their busiest, I think that the system is working as intended and doing what it is intended to do. Anyone remember when Star Tours first opened? When Indy first opened?

It's super early. I'm going to watch with interest. So far the only thing that I don't like is that the attraction shuts down before the rest of the park did yesterday. I'm curious to see if that is the norm. Hip shot: If they get through all the BGs and BBGs for a day, I'd love to see them do a second drop of BGs for the evening. But I haven't thought that all the way through and I'm sure that would solve more problems than it solves.
 
Meh. I’m not sure it’s going to work well long-term. I don’t find it “unfair” or “unsuitable,” and I got on just fine yesterday, so I’m certainly not a fit for “it doesn’t suit my style or a didn’t get a boarding group.” I’m honestly thinking, “if I’m Disney, and I’ve got a huge hit on my hands, but people aren’t coming to my parks and a lot of people are unhappy anyway,” I’m looking to change that system. People love the ride. But park attendance doesn’t look great for MLK weekend. And that’s gotta be a problem for them.

It’s too early to say if that’s the case long-term, but if it DOES stay that way, I could see them changing it up.

ETA: I’m not complaining about the current system at all. I have zero emotional investment in what they do. I’m just considering whether it’s working well for Disney’s bottom line, which is what they care about, because they’re a business. And again, it’s way too early to tell right now! But what works at WDW, where this ride is in one of the less-popular parks, may be different than what works best here. That’s all I’m saying.
Wouldn’t the same thing happen if it were fastpass plus standby though? Serious question. But I have to imagine people would be getting there CRAZY early, maybe 3 or 4 am in the hope of getting a good spot in the standby line in case they aren’t able to snag a fastpass in the 30 seconds after opening. So the people who are staying away from perceived mobs would be seeing the same thing on social media, and maybe worse. Then Disney not only has people avoiding the parks, but people who could be dining and shopping tied up in a standby queue instead.

Idk. It’s a sticky wicket. I do agree there probably needs to be a separate “ROTR praise and gripes” thread or something, lol.
 
It's super early. I'm going to watch with interest. So far the only thing that I don't like is that the attraction shuts down before the rest of the park did yesterday. I'm curious to see if that is the norm.
Complete speculation: I'm betting that will be the norm, at least with midnight closings. With the amount of nightly maintenance that it needs, they'll probably need those extra hours.

If it means a seemingly successful day like today, it seems like it's worth it.

Hip shot: If they get through all the BGs and BBGs for a day, I'd love to see them do a second drop of BGs for the evening. But I haven't thought that all the way through and I'm sure that would solve more problems than it solves.
They'd have to announce it during what could be the busiest part of the day. If they end up underestimating BGs in the morning, it just means upping the number of them the next day. (I believe they went lighter today than yesterday.)
 
I have a question about other rides and how they are affected by these BG.
Does everyone crowd around the Star Wars area for boarding groups or is it pretty spread out? I'm trying to figure out when to go on the Millennium Falcon ride. When we plan on trying for a BG, it will have MM/EMH. If I get a BG that day, would it be best to book it over to the ride and do standby there?

Thus far, how have lines been for other rides? Are they quite full because of the influx of people?
 
That just seems like absolute hell. You WILL have people just camped out around the ride entrance all day.

Yes, the virtual queue is not ideal. But really when you have a ride with this high of a demand, nothing is going to be a perfect situation. Everyone’s perfect situation is that they get to ride. For every person that gets to ride, there are so many more who weren’t able to. Honestly the VQ is the best method for the current situation.

I so, so agree. Right now you have all the people who are willing to rope drop compete for a limited number of ride spots. If you were to release those spots in chunks throughout the day, not only would the same number of people compete for a smaller number of tickets first thing in the morning but a far larger number of people would compete over the later released ones. The result for people who travel from afar, who may only have a few days in the parks (as supposed to AP holders who can come back easily), and who can now increase their chances at getting to ride by coming early, would have a far, far lower chance at getting to ride at all. Ride spots would become these mythical golden tickets you are unlikely to ever get your hands on, unless you’re in the parks frequently. I like the current system because, even though it uses an element of chance, it also allows us to improve the odds, regardless if we are on a once-in-a-lifetime visit or come every weekend, by putting in some work and research. Seems fair to me.

Just another opinion...
 
I have a question about other rides and how they are affected by these BG.
Does everyone crowd around the Star Wars area for boarding groups or is it pretty spread out? I'm trying to figure out when to go on the Millennium Falcon ride. When we plan on trying for a BG, it will have MM/EMH. If I get a BG that day, would it be best to book it over to the ride and do standby there?

Thus far, how have lines been for other rides? Are they quite full because of the influx of people?
Yesterday MFSR had its longest waits of the day right after rope drop, except for when they dumped the ROTR queue late morning. Right after lunch it was 30 minutes for a while, and after 6 PM it stayed 35 or lower til close.

So no, don’t go in the early morning. Waits for the other lands were the best of the day while MFSR was the worst of the day.
 
Yesterday MFSR had its longest waits of the day right after rope drop, except for when they dumped the ROTR queue late morning. Right after lunch it was 30 minutes for a while, and after 6 PM it stayed 35 or lower til close.

So no, don’t go in the early morning. Waits for the other lands were the best of the day while MFSR was the worst of the day.
Ah, the park closes at 9pm that night, so going after 6pm will still be a good idea?
I'm trying to figure out the most efficient way to use normal fastpasses/ride order but these BGs are really throwing everything for a loop lol
 
I wouldn’t. I would rather know at the beginning of the day what the day is going to look like compared to an hourly lottery.
Worse, an hourly lottery with steadily decreasing odds, since (at least in my experience from having been there in the the summer only; maybe it’s different during other parts of the year—I wouldn‘t know) the crowd levels tend to go up during the day until they reach a fairly steady high at which they usually stay until pretty late in the evening.
 
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They probably stop operating ROTR a couple of hours before park close in order to ensure something like a full systems check in preparation for the following day. I'd bet that they're spending the overnight hours reviewing how the ride operated all day and then making subtle adjustments every day. Since there's likely a lot of computer programming involved in this, the IT side of the Imagineering crew is probably programming slight adjustments, which they, in turn, have to test at night when no guests are there.

So, for example, run a couple of hours of full systems tests with the ride operating as it does during the day...then they'd have something like a "go/no go" decision point in the middle of the night to decide whether those adjustments will go live at 8:00 am when the park opens.
 
I posted earlier about my concerns re: the slowness of my iPhone 6s when opening and using the most recent DL app. Posting an update in case it helps anyone else! I loaded the app on my DH and DD phones (theirs are the same model) signed in under my account and noticed their apps opened in a few seconds. Finally realized mine was super slow due to being in low power mode! I’m so glad I discovered this before our trip, since I am always in low power mode in the parks.
 
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