Resort "Convenience Factor" Analysis

Sorry, might have missed it but do these times include the time spent waiting for the transport to arrive? (Bus, monorail, boat…) or just raw transport time assuming the bus is sitting there at the station as soon as you walk out to it? Would that change anything?
Thanks for putting this all together! Very interesting.

This is a very good question because we've tried AKL a couple of times and we gave up on this resort because of the 45-60+ minute waits just for the bus to show up at the resort. This happened a lot and it didn't matter how many cast members with tablets showed up to help. And then by the time a bus did show up you were packed in.

I've had faster bus service at values and moderates.
 
This is a very good question because we've tried AKL a couple of times and we gave up on this resort because of the 45-60+ minute waits just for the bus to show up at the resort. This happened a lot and it didn't matter how many cast members with tablets showed up to help. And then by the time a bus did show up you were packed in.

I've had faster bus service at values and moderates.
Every resort has horror stories like this. Buses tend to go bad more frequently, but they're also weather-proof. The monorail and Skyliner get very dicey in storms, and when they try to scramble and deploy buses to cover those routes, it's much worse than what you're saying you've experienced at Animal Kingdom
 
My picks:

Price/value resort travel convenience: POFQ
Price/value excluded: Any Epcot resort if you favor Epcot/WS/DHS.
Price/value excluded: CR if you favor MK.
Price/value excluded: Poly if you like MK and Epcot equally.

Going to AK is not a factor to me as it's usually a half day or no day. But stay at AKL if you like to go to AK a lot.

Never stayed at Riviera but still surprised it is the top choice in your analysis.
 
Every resort has horror stories like this. Buses tend to go bad more frequently, but they're also weather-proof. The monorail and Skyliner get very dicey in storms, and when they try to scramble and deploy buses to cover those routes, it's much worse than what you're saying you've experienced at Animal Kingdom

I've noticed that when someone gives their personal experience you attempt to minimize it.

I've visited Disney World annually for over 30 years and stayed in most of the resorts. Animal Kingdom Lodge has the worst transportation with the worst waits of any resort at any level that I've stayed in. That is my experience.
 

POFQ is the only resort where I had good experience with the buses. There's only one stop, and they ran efficiently the whole time we were there. Plus the resort has no "sprawl penalty" so it's not a long walk to the bus stop from your room.

Not sure if this has been mention, but on occasion POFQ can share a bus with POR. I've had it happen more than once.
 
I like the gumption you had to try something like this but why leave out Swan and Dolphin if you're crunching that many numbers anyway? Wondering if there was a reason you left them out on purpose or just going straight Disney properties.

Maybe because they should be at the top? From a cost/convenience standpoint they beat the other Disney Boardwalk resorts. They don't use Disney buses to AK or MK, but the AK drop off point is at a better location than the Disney buses. Plus you have shelter and seats. The only negative is being dropped at the TTC for the Magic Kingdom, but you can easily walk to the Boardwalk and hop on their bus.
 
Not sure if this has been mention, but on occasion POFQ can share a bus with POR. I've had it happen more than once.

Yes when we stayed at Riverside a few years ago we shared a bus with French Quarter twice.
 
We've been to POFQ many times and have never shared a bus. May my luck continue!
 
I've noticed that when someone gives their personal experience you attempt to minimize it.

I've visited Disney World annually for over 30 years and stayed in most of the resorts. Animal Kingdom Lodge has the worst transportation with the worst waits of any resort at any level that I've stayed in. That is my experience.
Cool. So make your own analysis. I didn't base MY analysis on YOUR experience.
 
Not sure if this has been mention, but on occasion POFQ can share a bus with POR. I've had it happen more than once.
Do you know how common this is or what routes? I've also seen weird things like Contemporary sharing with Wilderness Lodge during midday routes, and I think resort buses stopping at Blizzard Beach on their way to Animal Kingdom is pretty common too. I'm just not sure where to source anything reliable that would tell me how common these things are.
 
Cool. So make your own analysis. I didn't base MY analysis on YOUR experience.

Right. And this is a public forum and I'm responding to what you consider to be some sort of scientific analysis set in stone. Perhaps this should have been shared amongst friends if you didn't want opinions from strangers about what you came up with during your spare time at work?
 
This is a very good question because we've tried AKL a couple of times and we gave up on this resort because of the 45-60+ minute waits just for the bus to show up at the resort. This happened a lot and it didn't matter how many cast members with tablets showed up to help. And then by the time a bus did show up you were packed in.

I've had faster bus service at values and moderates.
Me too. Pre-pandemic anyways.
And before the Skyliner, I would have put Pop/AofA, right at the top. :)
 
So I had some downtime at work and I decided to attempt to to answer the age-old Walt Disney World debate, "which on-property resorts are the most and least convenient?" I wanted to take as much bias as possible out of the process, and decided to focus strictly on numbers rather than qualitative factors. This analysis doesn't care whether you think the monorail is cooler than a bus, it only cares which one will get you to your destination faster.

The first step was to gather data from a third-party transportation calculator that estimates the transit time from Point A to Point B across Walt Disney World using various modes of transportation. The following assumptions were used when I gathered these times:
  • All times are for Disney transportation or walking only. No driving, no Uber, no Lyft, and no taxi.
  • If a resort offers a "special" mode of transportation, that transportation must be used. Contemporary to Epcot by bus is faster than Contemporary to Epcot by monorail, but monorail must be used in this analysis.
  • If a resort offers multiple special modes of transportation, I chose the faster of the two, e.g. Saratoga Springs boat to Disney Springs versus Saratoga Springs walking to Disney Springs.
  • Polynesian Village was calculated twice. Most people who stay there walk to the TTC to take the monorail to Epcot rather than riding the Magic Kingdom Resort Monorail around the loop and transferring trains.
  • I did not give any mode of transportation preference over another. Sometimes buses are late, sometimes monorails break down, and sometimes lightning shuts down the Skyliner. I ignored all of that and went with the estimates that came out of the tool.
  • I did not make any distinction for different sections of resorts or between hotels and DVC villas that share the same transportation systems. Bay Lake Tower is no different than the Contemporary tower, which is no different than the Contemporary garden wing.
Once I had the list of times from every Point A to every Point B, I had to come up with some way to weight them. For example, being close to Magic Kingdom is much more valuable than being close to Disney Springs, since most people visit Magic Kingdom multiple times in their trip, but Disney Springs only once or not at all. My weighting assumes the following:
  • 7-night trip, including Park Hopper.
  • Whether park hopping on a given day or not, the hypothetical guest takes a midday break at their resort every afternoon.
  • Each day includes four one-way transportation legs. Resort to Park 1, Park 1 to Resort, Resort to Park 2, and Park 2 to Resort.
  • 14 "half-days" are broken down as follows:
    • 4 Magic Kingdom
    • 3 Epcot
    • 3 Hollywood Studios
    • 2 Animal Kingdom
    • 1 Disney Springs
    • 1 Off/Resort/Pool
  • I also calculated one round-trip to and from Orlando International Airport for each resort.
Finally, I added what I'm calling a "Sprawl Penalty." This is to account for the fact that larger resorts often have multiple bus stops or a long way to walk back to your room after getting off the bus. The penalty was applied to every leg of the trip. For example, if I gave a resort a 5-minute penalty, it means I added 5 minutes to the trip to the morning park, home from the morning park, to the afternoon park, and home from the afternoon park. This is by far the most subjective part of the analysis.
  • 5 minute penalty applied to all Value resorts for their size, plus Animal Kingdom Lodge, for having two bus stops
  • 10 minute penalty added to all Moderate resorts except POFQ, plus Saratoga Springs and Old Key West
  • 15 minute penalty added to Fort Wilderness
Adding all of this up gave me a Total Transit Time for each resort, which I then scaled from 0 to 100 to come up with what I'm calling a "Resort Convenience Factor."

S-tier: Riviera
A-tier: Yacht Club, Beach Club, Boardwalk
B-tier: Wilderness Lodge, Polynesian (walking to TTC), French Quarter, Contemporary, Animal Kingdom Lodge
C-tier: Caribbean Beach, Grand Floridian, Saratoga Springs, Polynesian (monorail to TTC)
D-tier: Art of Animation, Pop Century, All Star Movies, Coronado Springs, All Star Music
F-tier: All Star Sports, Old Key West, Riverside, Fort Wilderness

Key takeaways:
  • It's much more important for a resort to have "no bad trips" than it is to have one especially great trip. Contemporary and Grand Floridian have great times to Magic Kingdom, but their trips to Epcot are bad enough to cancel them out, so these resorts end up in the mid-tiers.
  • Size matters, a lot. Without the "Sprawl Penalty" (which I acknowledge is totally made up by me and subject to all sorts of valid criticism), Caribbean Beach and Saratoga Springs would come out ahead of all other resorts. But because they're so big, getting through the guard shack onto resort property and getting to your room are significantly different prospects.
  • "Cooler" transportation doesn't mean "faster" transportation. I know everyone hates buses, but buses are faster than monorails. They're faster than boats. And, unless you're at Caribbean Beach or Riviera, they're faster than the Skyliner.
  • The gap in total transit time between the fastest resort (Riviera) and the slowest resort (Fort Wilderness) is almost 9 hours over the length of the itinerary.
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Discuss.
I've been working through a Data Analysis courses. I've worked a couple of "pre-made" case studies to add to my portfolio but it was suggested to me to try a passion project from start to finish. Obviously something Disney came to mind so I have a little more motivation seeing another analysis done. Thank you!

Did your third party have all the transit times available as a CSV? Did you have to Data Scrub?
 
Love this.

My favorite transportation has been at BC and BW. I mean you can’t beat the efficiency of that walk. POFQ is a close second. The one bus stop is amazing.

Next trip we are trying out CSR. It’s pretty low on your list but we use the busses as rest time too.

No surprise the deluxes top the list. And finally nice to see some AKL comparisons. Most people say it’s so far out of the way and a pain transportation wise but it’s really not completely true.
We were on Mears to the airport, stopped at POFQ and it was 7:10 in the morning and there was a huge crowd and lines at the POFQ bus stop, so that didn't look great??
 
We were on Mears to the airport, stopped at POFQ and it was 7:10 in the morning and there was a huge crowd and lines at the POFQ bus stop, so that didn't look great??

We never had an issue at POFQ. Since there’s one bus stop not everyone is going to the same place. We went during a busy time and never stood while on the bus. The lines were never crazy long for us when leaving the parks either.

My longest bus issue was going to MK from BC. We waited 30 minutes but there were people there that waited longer. I thought they were gonna start rioting. The poor CM that had to deal with that situation. But I still rank BC and BW as the best transportation for me.
 
For those of us who would like to further study this, can you post the website where you got your data?
I don't object personally but I think it's against board rules. I got censored the last time I linked there. It's no great secret, you should be able to Google your way there pretty easily.
 
I'll never forget our first experience at BWV w a combined bus. We were going to DS late morning. Waited a bit for our bus at BWV, then that bus went to BCV, YC, Swan, and Dolphin....took over 1 hr to get to DS. have also had combined bus for BLT/CR w WL. And the primary reason we have little to no desire to stay at OKW/SSW are the numerous internal bus stops.
I know this probably doesn't fit in this analysis, since it is resort specific transportation, but we factor in the ability to walk from other resorts. Like if staying at Poly, we know we can get on the next bus to GF and walk. We often do this when staying at BWV. just get on the BCV bus if it came first, and walk.
One of the best bus experiences EVER was at All stars. Never waited much longer than 10 mins, well defined queues, only had 1 issue 1 night coming back from a park at closing. never from the resort.
Also, because they're fairly close, we opted to take the bus to another All stars and just walk. (like bus to sports, but staying at music,)
Thanks for the analysis. While we hope to keep trying new resorts, like hopefully can finally stay at WL one day, and I LOVE AKL, convenience is the main reason we choose our resort. We also do a lot of split stays, and base which park we're doing while there, on convenience.
 
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I've noticed that when someone gives their personal experience you attempt to minimize it.

I've visited Disney World annually for over 30 years and stayed in most of the resorts. Animal Kingdom Lodge has the worst transportation with the worst waits of any resort at any level that I've stayed in. That is my experience.
Ours as well.
 
The large, spread-out resorts tend to have many small parking lots sprinkled throughout rather than large central lots, making them among the most convenient resorts for those who drive themselves.
Agree. We always have a car and drive to most parks. Coronado Springs is very close to 3 parks plus DS. It's super convenient with a car.
 















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