Resort Availability

BcIcemen

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Is there any way to see how many rooms are available at a given time? So if I am looking for two 2 bedroom villas when I look it shows availability, but is that one unit or ten units? Is the only way to know is book one and then try to book another? Thanks for your input
 
That’s right, you’ll have to book one and see if there’s another in inventory. Even the folks on the phone lines won’t tell you how many there are. They might say “there are plenty,” but usually they won’t go that far.
 
It might be a nice feature for them to make available for us to help with planning
 

After years and years we just got online booking so I wouldn't hold your breath.

:earsboy: Bill

 
What purpose does it serve? How many member or bookings does it affect? Will it negatively impact some members?

What value does knowing how many rooms are available provide when you can only book one at a time and the others could be taken at any time? It might be more useful to allow booking multiple rooms at the same time. But, then, are those all the same room type? Or do you need more of a shopping cart functionality where you can hold multiple rooms and check out all at once? Can you hold rooms for which you don’t have enough points?

I’d budget about $1.2MM for that “simple” change. Lots of people and lots of time are required to fully design, develop, test, and implement that type of feature.
 
For two rooms at your home resort at the 11 month window, it probably wouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, I just call when I need multiple rooms.
 
Disney IT systems are spaghetti and duct tape, lots of legacy code. Even a "simple" update likely is not.
 
There are a few other enhancements that would probably serve more members versus the ability to see how many rooms are available. First and foremost I can think of just being able to modify a reservation online.
 
There are things, like being able to modify a reservation online, that would be considered a more valuable change by many members, but undoubtedly being able to see full room availability would be of some value to many. However, none of that is likely to happen, but the real reason it will not happen is different from what many think. The fact is that all the money it would take to make those improvements would not change the amount of your dues one penny; what it would do is cut into Disney's profits and that is the reason we have always had, and likely will always have, mediocre computerized reservation systems.

This has to do with where the money comes from to pay for the computerized reservation systems. Legally there are two Disney entities -- on paper but employees are really the same -- that are responsible for creating and running computerized systems that relate to reservations: The Buena Vista Trading Co. (BVTC) and the Disney Vacation Club Management Corp. (DVCMC). Under contract with the association, DVCMC is contractually responsible for conducting and paying for all systems and for Member Services to the extent they relate to home resort reservations; BVTC is responsible for conducting and paying for anything that has to do with reservations of members at 7 months out for non-home resorts, and trading out to non-DVC resorts.

So how do those two entities cover the costs of the reservation systems? From the following sources:

1. There is one entry in the dues called the DVC reservation component. That is a set annual $1 per member charge, all of which goes to BVTC to help pay for its portion of the reservation system costs..

2. There is breakage income -- the money gained from renting out unreserved DVC rooms at 60 days or less out -- which is allocated as follows: (a) a portion goes first to offset dues but that amount of offset is restricted to being no more than 2.5% of the the estimated annual dues (calculated by excluding certain items such as taxes and some others); (b) the breakage income over that amount then goes to BVTC to cover any of its costs plus up to 5% more than its costs; (c) whatever breakage income is left over goes to DVCMC (is there a lot of breakage income? Disney does not tell you except that I once got an answer from a member of management that the breakage income was usually a lot more than the 2.5% dues offset)

3. DVCMC is paid a management fee that equals 12.5% of the estimated annual dues (calculated by excluding the management fee, taxes, and some other items). Though the total amount can change annually as other dues items like maintenance, housekeeping, etc., go up, the percentage cannot change.

The amount you pay in dues does not vary if the cost of the reservation systems increase or decrease because the two funding sourses from dues, the DVC reservation component and the management fee, do not change even if nothing were spent on computerized reservation systems or millions were spent on such systems, and the third source of funding, breakage income, is not even dues paid by members. However, what does change if Disney spends more on the computerized systems and MS is the amount of money DVCMC gets to keep as profit from breakage income or the mangement fee. In other words, the less Disney spends on computerized reservation systems and MS, the more it gets to keep from breakage income and the management fee as profit, and thus Disney has always had a strong incentive to keep the costs of running MS and the reservation systems to a minimum, and it is unlikely Disney is going to add features to the existing mediocre reservation systems like those mentioned in this thread unless it can do so very cheaply.
 
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....(snip)..........The amount you pay in dues does not vary if the cost of the reservation systems increase or decrease because the two funding sourses from dues, the DVC reservation component and the management fee, do not change even if nothing were spent on computerized reservation systems or millions were spent on such systems, and the third source of funding, breakage income, is not even dues paid by members. However, what does change if Disney spends more on the computerized systems and MS is the amount of money DVCMC gets to keep as profit from breakage income or the mangement fee. In other words, the less Disney spends on computerized reservation systems and MS, the more it gets to keep from breakage income and the management fee as profit, and thus Disney has always had a strong incentive to keep the costs of running MS and the reservation systems to a minimum, and it is unlikely Disney is going to add features to the existing mediocre reservation systems like those mentioned in this thread unless it can do so very cheaply.

IMO, this is the reason we got online booking in the first place. Calls to MS grew to the point where MS would have to hire a lot more CMs to handle the demand. Employees are expensive. Online booking significantly reduced the need for MS employees and resulted in a better expense/profit situation for Disney.

Agree with drusba - no enhancements to the online booking system are forthcoming unless the benefits to Disney exceed the costs. The system we have now isn't optimal, but it does the job it was intended to do.
 

















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